Wellsy4HullFC

No, a fair option would be them having the same treatment as everyone else and having to sit out for the three year license period just like everyone else that fails to get a license. Why do you think Salford deserve special treatment where they only have to sit out one year? And how is it fair to the club promoted to be demoted again after just one year?

I work with her. She's a top lass and has been looking very forward to this. How'd she do? I wasn't able to watch the game tonight.

Happens in the WC, so why not the 4N?

Check the relevant thread to find out.

Would be good if they both came back for one last swansong. Cunningham is retiring this season, so I think he'd probably want to call it a day after the play-offs.

So I accidentally put an "a" in the sentence. It was late at night when I replied. If that's the sole purpose of your argument that your criteria isn't stupid, then I rest my case. It's one of the first internet forum argument "tricks" for people who are desperate. I won't uncover the grammatical errors in your post, by the way. I'm not that desperate (and someone else already has). I hope you aren't trying to sarcastically claim that you yourself are uncovering deeper issues here? Because all you seem to have done is attract ridicule for such an idiotic thread as per. My thread was just for fun. And on top of that, it seems to have uncovered an issue that many people have that they didn't realise: that they tend to always stay in the same area when they go to a ground. Many people have said they want to try and move around a bit as a result. If you stand a bit more towards the corner, you can see everything in one view. I don't see how having a panoramic view is the requirement of a 21st-century stadium anyway? Very few people would like to be so far away from the acion that, although they can see everything, everthing is tiny (hence why Odsal is often criticised). Why do you think the seats towards the corners and and the top tiers (the ones with the most panoramic views) are cheaper? Here's an idea - try turning your head at a game. Then you can see the whole pitch and it's a lot closer! It's quite clear that I meant "criteria" as was originally used, as there is more than one illogical criterion in your original post. It's the "a" that shouldn't have been there if it bothers you that much. Surely you knew that? Now, if your going to question whether I know what "a" means, then you're truly clutching at straws! This is an RL forum, not an English Language one. Use a bit of savvy.

Looks fairly likely to me. Reckon Wakey could be on 22pts as well. They should beat Bradford and Salford.

Maybe Mr Mathers should try being a bit more professional by not having a slanging match with some nobody Warrington fan on the internet? Players have choices and should always have choices. But they are defined by them choices at the end of the day. If you take them choices away from them, then what do they learn from it?

Which 2 are you counting with Hull then?

What a stupid criteria. Panoramic views?! They're available at every ground in SL you idiot. Tell me one ground that doesn't offer a panoramic view... Or extensive urinals and multiple sit down enclosed cubicles for that matter...

Not necessarily. You yourself have just said they lacked the experience. Sometimes you need these imports in to lend experience to those around them to aid their development. Take away all the experienced Aussies and we'd have a much worse England team. That doesn't mean I think we should fill SL with imports either. There just needs to be a good balance.

Forgot about the Magic Weekend! Although, I only did three stands at both grounds (one was shut at Millennium Stadium), I sat in that stand for the Challenge Cup Final in 2005, so I can add that one!

Hull are a terrible 2nd half team.

I assume it will be the first game of the season, why else would they move it to February? Although this is the RFL, who don't have a very good track record of event organising and management! I'd assume the first weekend of February (5th/6th).

Just a bit of a twist on the old "how many grounds have you been to?" topics we've had in the past. How many have you been in every stand of to watch a rugby game? Only 6 for me I think: Boulevard KC Stadium Galpharm Stadium Millennium Stadium New Craven Park Headingley Carnegie Odsal/Grattan Stadium

Come on, Lobby. Where's the answer? Why is Belle Vue and The Willows better? What is it about these two grounds that make them better than Odsal? They being a rectangular-shape doesn't count!

Totally agree. And on the flip-side, if we win and Wigan beat Leeds tonight, we're back to the all important 4th place. Leeds (29pts) - Wigan (h), Cas (a), Catalans (h), Hull (a). Hull FC (28pts) - Quins (a), Crusaders (h), Wire (a), Leeds (h). Hudds (25pts) - Wakey (h), Wigan (a), Salford (h), Catalans (a). Hull KR (25pts) - Cas (h), Salford (a), Wigan (h), Crusaders (h). I can see Leeds losing tonight, and Hull losing against Wire, and most likely both "should" win the other two games on paper, meaning it could come down to the last game of the season for 4th. Alternatively, Hull have been beaten by all of the teams remaining already this year. Both Hudds and Rovers have got 3 very winnable games, with a difficult game against the league leaders. If they were to win 3 out of the 4, then Hull will need to win 2 out of 4 at most to keep 5th. So these games are "must wins". Nothing's decided yet!

Yes... the Police!

Exactly what I was thinking. If it's not an "if something happens", it's just a lie! Wakefield's away support being as good as Leeds' and Wigan's is laughable! They don't give out franchises for that, anyway. And as for youth development... how many of these young players have gone on to be SL regulars at Wakefield? 11 overseas players this last weekend. If they were that good, surely they'd figure more in your squad?

Which, again, wasn't my question. the question was why is Belle Vue and The Willows better? I'll explain my point as I go through yours... Same as at Belle Vue, and to some extent The Willows (the away stand only has cover for the seats IIRC, not the terrace in front of it). And, on top of this, if folks were bothered about getting wet, then there is probably enough seating to cover 3/4 of their average crowd this year at Odsal. Could the same be done at Belle Vue? Not a chance. As opposed to Belle Vue, which has awful terracing at pitch-side. If you're at the front, you're actually below pitch level. The terracing isn't steep enough, so you can't really see very well above the people in front of you. I'd rather be too far away and be able to see the whole pitch than too low down and see nothing. As opposed to Belle Vue's block of flats? Or The Willows' club house? They make that "blob" look like Buckingham Palace! My stats do say it all. Your points before about their crowds only being good a decade ago were way off. I agree about the dip being alarming though. I've started threads about it in the past and been told to shush by Bradford fans in the past. But then again, I'm a Bradford Sympathiser apparently... So, to sum up... every point you made can be attributed to Belle Vue and the Willows. And in fact, they're probably worse at those places...

The Wizards are pretty decent I'd say.

I sympathise not. I just don't like illogical arguments that have been proven so time and time again. You just spouting rubbish again. Define good crowds? 2003 (when they moved back to Odsal) was 7 years ago, not 10. Not that that was the last time they got "good crowds". Let's have a look since they moved back to Odsal... 2003 - 14,936 (best in SL) 2004 - 13,500 (2nd best) 2005 - 13,367 (3rd best) 2006 - 11,263 (3rd best) 2007 - 12,084 (4th best) 2008 - 10,287 (5th best) 2009 - 9,677 (5th best) 2010 - 8,642 (6th best) They still posted five-figure crowds 2 years ago, which I would consider the benchmark for "good crowds". They're still in the top 6 of SL crowd averages despite a HUGE drop in attendances over the last 7 years. So if they have poor crowds, then most of SL is in a worse state. That doesn't answer the question. How is Odsal "much WORSE" than the two grounds I mentioned? "I would rather watch RL in these grounds" isn't an answer. Why would you? So Bradford have to get 20k crowds (more than any SL club has achieved on more than 3 occasions in a single season)? That's a ridiculous benchmark for a poor argument.

When I get bored, I read this forum on my phone. The screen isn't big enough to fit the whole page on, so I just browse through the posts and can't see which users are posting what unless I scroll to the side. Incidentally, I can tell every time it's a "Lobbygobbler" post, simply because it includes some illogic about how Bradford have the worst ground in the SL or shouldn't be in the SL, etc. Wakefield and Salford are city clubs. They were warned. So that's that weird theory out of the way. But it won't stop you arguing it. The club doesn't own its stadium is a pretty new one for you. How many clubs in the SL do? Why does it matter?And, according to Wikipedia (not the best source of knowledge, I know), the Bulls have controlling rights of the stadium after taking them back from the council after they left Valley Parade. Odsal wasn't inapproporiate when they used to get good crowds there. It wasn't THAT long ago. What do you expect clubs to do? Just knock down parts of the stadium if the crowds dip? It's a much better ground than Belle Vue and the Willows. You know this. I know this. Everyone knows this. But you will still argue that it isn't. So let's change the question from "Why is Odsal the worst ground" to "How are Belle Vue and The Willows better than Odsal?" Change the record. Why am I wasting my time?

Surely development is only when they translate into SL players? If all of them youngsters end up going off into the Championship because they aren't getting SL games, then there is a flaw in the development, surely?

Replaces some clubs' home fixtures. Probably Leeds and closest team to Elland Road out of Hudds/Wakey/Cas (whoever plays that game) and Saints and Widnes at Anfield (as they are both plastic scousers!). An absolute must. And I can't believe it hasn't happened for 5 years.