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  1. 6 minutes ago, dead man inc said:

    50k = £50,000. From what i have read (so no official confirmation) ball park figures seem to suggest central funding going down from around £65,000 to around £15,000

    sorry misread your post, but there are also rumours of no travel grant, so the real drop is >£50k for many clubs.

  2. 12 hours ago, dead man inc said:

    With 50k less central funding, no/reduced travel expenses from rfl, Broncos p/t meaning the 2 london teams are competing more for same pool of players & taking their better players & if Broncos run reserves potentially more players leaving/increased difficulty recruiting players i really worry about Skolars future.

    I just hope all the hard work put in by the board/sponsors/volunteers can keep the club going.

    50%? Cuts in central funding for League 1 clubs are over 80%. I worry about all the clubs in L1 that are facing that cut.

  3. On 03/10/2021 at 01:06, OriginalMrC said:

    Exactly once a club is gone its gone and the pathways that come with it. Joe Batchelor got his first chance at Coventry. Jason Bass at York got his first chance at Coventry and more recently Elliot Hall at Batley who scored a cracker of a try in the playoffs was very clear that he got his chance at Coventry to progress in the game. Who knows in a few years time what other players will get an opportunity at the Bears, Skolars or WWR. These pathways need to be there. 

    Hall started off at Skolars, then moved to Coventry. If Keighley had their way both would go.

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  4. 9 hours ago, steve oates said:

    I can't see how 20 clubs may get together and "jettison" 16 fellow clubs to secure a situation where if your not a "Superleague one" club at least you will be a "superleague 2" club and one good season away from the top league.

    In seeing a loss of clubs coming John Davidson predicted some casualties, but not 16.

    As it stands the bottom 16 include Widnes, Newcastle, Dewsbury, Barrow, Haven, Workington and Keighley - can't see them going, and these are clubs that havehad  no central funding in past years and carried on I do conceded there are a few clubs that probably only really do survive on the handouts, and may only ever survive this way......

    When did these clubs miss out on central funding and why did they miss out?

  5. 5 hours ago, The Frying Scotsman said:

    Exactly. 100%.

    Yet we have the editor of a leading Rugby League magazine publishing a piece stating that Les Catalans should be playing against London Skolars, who travel to games in a minibus.

    Insanity? Or simply still living in a bygone era? 

     

     

    I've seen the Skolars' bus. It's a proper coach. Go to Hunslet this weekend and see for yourself. Martyn's idea may not be sensible, but you are coming up with the worst reason for rejecting it.

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  6. 6 hours ago, Tommygilf said:

    I don't think the short format is what we can take from the Hundred, though I think there are 3 key areas that are perhaps relevant.

    Firstly, free to air is a key part of this. Cricket went even more down the pay TV route (and therefore behind a Paywall) than RL. Working out a balance to that is something RL is far closer to getting right -though I think we should be doing more international games and less club games as they are more widely relevant than club cup competitions.

    Secondly, Women's sport being placed in a prominent position. Women's sport is the single biggest growth area for both cricket and RL. If you're seeking to grow interest and awareness, recognising that half the population is a potential market is a simple start.

    Finally, the Hundred is the simple rationalisation of the number of Cricket teams in this country. 18 first class counties, more than in India or Australia where interest in cricket is far higher than the UK, is not sustainable commercially, especially when competing with the likes of the IPL. The T20 Blast was/is nice but ultimately because of the county championship structure enforcing 18 teams it can never grow to the level of the IPL or Big Bash. There isn't enough money to go round for that and it is still fundamentally tied to the Sky Sports paywall and Cricket's general image problem. The Hundred is distinctly different to that on purpose.

    With regards to RL then, its telling that the first two points particularly are being taken on by the World Cup organisers, and to a lesser extent by Super League and the RFL.

    We may very likely be facing a problem like the third point very soon. Indeed the current super league chairman thought we were already at that point half a decade ago. Will RL rationalise in a way that makes sense at least like The Hundred has attempted to though? Or will it just be musical chairs?

    38 first class teams play in the Indian domestic competition (Ranji Trophy) but I'm sure you are right about the aim to rationalise the number of cricket teams.

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    2 hours ago, Bearman said:

    Barrow have brought " The Bull" Liam Harrison out of retirement and recruited Gary Wheeler to help with their injury crisis. 

    The Harrison (Ben and Liam) brothers may feature in the same pro team for the first time.

    Sadly given his past record, Gary Wheeler may well be the man for an injury crisis, but not in the way intended. Great signing if he can stay fit though.

  8. Unless there are 2 drivers there'd definitely have to be a stop for the driver on the way as well.

    And for the likes of Skolars, getting home will involve a night bus for some after getting off the team coach.

    West Wales to Cumbria and vice-versa must be one of the longest trips in terms of time though.

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  9. 14 hours ago, Hello said:

    But anyone who HASN'T got their head up their backside appreciates that that was due to the small matter of an unprecedented global financial crisis due to this little thing called Covid. 

    Those debts were piling up bfore covid, but don't let that stop you blaming it.

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  10. 3 hours ago, fighting irish said:

    It strikes me that one or more, of the original group of investors has got cold feet and withdrawn.

    The alternative, is that the front man, lied about having the financial backing in the first place to stimulate the formation of these clubs. This is a completely preposterous suggestion and I'm surprised anyone would believe it. 

    Only a complete nutcase would do something like that. In addition, he would have had to be a terrific conman to convince so many people ''the cheque's in the post'' knowing full well, that in a few weeks, his facade would crumble. Why would anyone do that?

    Perhaps it was the collapse of half the league teams (from the West) that changed the investors mind? Who knows?

    The only thing I'm sure about, is I'm heartbroken. For myself and all concerned over there.

    Sadly, there's a recent example in RL that someone has convinced so many people that the cheques in the post. Hopefully not so many credtors shafted this time.

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  11. 4 hours ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said:

    London Skolars, a new London side, Hemel, South Wales Scorpions, West Wales Raiders, Gloucestershire all golds, Bristol Sonics, Nottingham Outlaws, Coventry Bears, and any other new sides that  want to apply and step up.

    Can't see any of the current London clubs wanting to step up and not sure how you'd get enough players for a new club to come in. As for Bristol Sonics and Gloucestershire all golds - have you just pulled the same list of out from when you first suggested this?

    How many promotion spots would you give for North and South into the Championship?

  12. 39 minutes ago, Rupert Prince said:

    I'll clarify, He or the club ended up in debt and did not pay it's creditors, and that, it transpired, had been going on for a long time.  Someone I believe has now taken them over, but for me the whole exercise has soured me for the concept.  Looking at how it was tried, I do not think a club(s) from the eastern American seaboard works as part of Super League.

    Good luck to a Canadian League and or a North American league.  I hope they can find home grown players.

    Well said. TWP's financial problems before they got into Super League were self iinflicted.

    Those problems manifested themselves initially with TWP not playing several other clubs (>£100k unpaid in at least one case). So when other posters blame other clubs for TWP's exit from SL, it perhaps not surprising that the other clubs were unsympathetic when TWP ran into bigger problems last year which for once were not of their own making.

    TWP could certainly teach Broncos a lot about marketing and communications though.

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  13. 11 hours ago, Kayakman said:

    Once this is all settled (post Covid) Toronto will be back in;  I'm sure of it! (+well sort of sure)

    Look forward to all these debts being settled, but I doubt if that will ever happen. The debt was racking up well before covid and before they won promotion to SL. Not the only organisation unpaid at that time and not the only 6 figure debt. Can't blame SL or Covid for the consistent approach TWP had to paying debts.

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