ELBOWSEYE
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Just now, Dave T said:
The complaints about 'tick box exercise' (the point you made) is exactly the 'argument' they are making.
To be honest Dave I won't be commenting on any comments you make as I find that very offensive so please do me the service of not commenting on mine, I will find it hard to not view any replies without thinking of what you wrote.
If this is the new normal standard it's probably time I withdraw from this forum.
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54 minutes ago, Dave T said:
It's better to be honest, with lines like your last one, you probably are aligned with their views.
Poor comment, always regarded you with fair views. You have never met me and I find that very offensive.
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7 hours ago, ELBOWSEYE said:
Don't agree with women for the sake of being woke, just use the best people male or female.
Tre Cool, use words instead of stupid emojis,and tell me what you disagree with (I will always respect people who disagree with me but say it(write) .
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7 hours ago, RigbyLuger said:
What do you mean by "being woke"?
Sorry about the delay in replying, with reference to this topic which was some male ex players bemoaning the introduction of female pundits(ex players).
Woke in this instance (in my opinion) is doing something seem by some people as a box ticking exercise. I have no problem with any presenters for a sport as long as they bring something to the experience of watching (usually on TV). They can be of any category of humanity but used for the benefit of the audience not what can be a problem exercise.
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5 hours ago, Dave T said:
And my final point heee is that if we stick to the tried and tested middle aged white man in the name of 'best for the job', then we miss out on some superb talent. The diversity we have seen in recent years has seen some absolute gems uncovered. Having the likes of Balding, Skelton, Priim, Cunningham and Co involved has been a breath of fresh air and should be celebrated.
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Surely Clare Balding and Helen Skelton were established presenters and were excellent when covering RL the others I agree, and some of the white middle aged men were poor.
I don't agree with the views of Barton or Deveraux but it should be not a box ticking exercise.
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Don't agree with women for the sake of being woke, just use the best people male or female.
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2 hours ago, graveyard johnny said:
any odds on the 1st SL coach to be asking where the local taxi rank is?
Touting for business?
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Plenty of players there last night as well as Wolfie.
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22 hours ago, HawkMan said:
Bunting is a Liverpool fan and Smith, Manchester United ....so..just saying. BTW Luke Littler is also a Man U fan and met United outcast Donny Van Der Beek at the Pally, and later shared a photo of the two of them as a gesture of support.
Littler was also seen before tournament with Warrington players, like most people have favorites in many sports not just football.
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1 hour ago, sweaty craiq said:
Had the Orford/ Bewsey/Dallam rounds
He would need 5 days to cover Orford.
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Hasn't GB v Australia been ashes not England in RL terms. And generally a 3 match series
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Interesting topic, but I am in my 60s and apart from Bradford none have drawn regular decent crowds( Widnes were better when the big union stars signed Davies, Offiah etc). Unless some big money people decide to invest in a couple of these clubs they will not move up drastically.
Leigh have done well with DBs investment and drive but (and it's not a criticism) they will always peak towards the 10k at best.
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30 minutes ago, unapologetic pedant said:
What drives TV viewership for 8 NRL games per week over the course of a season is entrenched familiarity with the players, the clubs and the comp. One-off factors, like seeing how a RU signing might fare in his debut, may bump up the ratings for individual games, but I do not believe such factors play any part in the value of the deals.
I also think the NRL is not short of big names, so an odd union signing wouldn't have such a bigger impact.
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48 minutes ago, unapologetic pedant said:
That Coco the Clown poster who's been endlessly prattling on about the game losing fans should take a look at late80s/early90s figures. The game was perceived to be on a high during that period, yet most of the comparable attendances are higher today. Substantially at Saints, Wire, and on Humberside.
New stadium at these clubs had a big impact, Warrington would be around 6/7 if still at wilderspool, Saints also at knowsley road, FC at boulevard.
These factors far outweigh where the players come from.
But on big signing from Union or NRL make waves, I remember going to Widnes with quite a few wires (we weren't playing) to see Davies and the people who turned up at Warrington for Joey John's debut were from outside the playing clubs.
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2 hours ago, Coco said:
Thanks for the info. So Powell will be back up to Walker at the wire, and Saints have Signed Clark. This transfer merry go round makes a lot of sense. Anyone understanding Warrington wolves transfer business here? Getting rid of Clark for Powell?
Money,Clarke was a high paid player for Warrington, and Walker had become first choice and Clarke wanted to be first choice.
You are not going to tie up a large section of salary cap for the interchange Hooker.
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4 minutes ago, Coco said:
It's just my personal opinion. I believe that standard of Super League is like there Reserve grade competition they have like the Queensland Cup competition. Our clubs here would do well in that competition.
But back to the NRL imports thread. Bevan French was not meeting the standards of the NRL, so he arrived here. The same with Hiku, Miller and everyone else. This is the standard of our competition here. We take the ones that don't meet the standards of the NRL. HAS ANYONE HEARD OF rumours of LATERAL MITCHELL arriving on these shores? In his prime?
Plenty of players come over and go back with decent contracts in the Nrl, was Jamie Lyon a spent force, Jackson Hastings hasn't been Short of contract offers. Also some big names have arrived and been absolutely disappointing. The statement that SL is equivalent of those comps you quoted are ridiculous.
We know the Nrl is a higher standard with more depth of talent but a squad made up of regular Nrl players was beaten 3 nil by a squad with 3 Nrl players.
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7 minutes ago, Chrispmartha said:
I doubt any import from the NRL are first choice starters in the NRL, otherwise they would not be coming over.
That's doesn't mean they won't be great in SL, its a totally different competition.
Fitzgibbon was a first choice starter when fit.
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10 hours ago, JM2010 said:
That’s the best way to look at this. It’s difficult to stop players going to the NRL due to the money being offered but clubs can get transfer fees and invest in youth to replace them.
The lure of the NRL could be used to encourage children to take up the game in the first place
Didn't think Wigan were ever short of money to invest in youth. The trickle though from Wigan's seems to be increasing.
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6 hours ago, Dave T said:
I expect the thinking is that Wire have generally got a good squad. We were generally finishing around 3rd or 4th prior to Powell coming in and trashing the club. We also showed glimpses last year that we aren't a bad team, and indeed finished 6th in the ladder. So I don't think its that much of a stretch to think that getting rid of Powell would see us improve.
On the signings, we desperately needed centres and we've signed some. We'll be far worse off at hooked, exchanging Daryll Clarke for Brad Dwyer, but hopefully Walker steps up.
And on Burgess, who knows, but if he was a little known assistant from the NRL he'd probably get more positivity.
Wouldn't want to be the player who lets him down and has to face him. The biggest thing Sam needs is a good coaching group around him. Rumour is Kasiano might be on his way which frees up an overseas slot.
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51 minutes ago, Big Picture said:
Of course I know that more persons play in leagues which aren't seen on TV, but those clubs have been shrinking as the player pool declines. As the opportunities in RL become less, more young players will move to RU.
Of course viewers don't have to understand every single rule, but they do need to get to know the basics at least. Then they can learn the rest over time.
No where in the heartland areas do players choose union over league unless the people in that area are involved with union locally. In Warrington more kids play league then before it's the transition to adults that it's drops and that is everywhere team sports are played, football is king but even they have dropping numbers, union and league have the same problems but theirs is area related to where the sports are played. The drops because of changes on society with children playing sports, female areas are positive but that's from a very small base.
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42 minutes ago, Big Picture said:
My first question was, What are the requirements for success? And my answer is that for the league to succeed it must attract and more importantly retain a new audience in places where there's little or no awareness that a different form of rugby exists. So if the name rugby league is an obstacle to that, a name change is required.
The next question is what else is required to achieve that? And the answer to that is many things, which include the right branding and the right onfield product. For example, it must be possible for that new audience to learn the rules and how the game is played from watching it.
Therefore they must be able to follow the play, and if watching on TV they have to be shown all of the play without any of it being missed for ad breaks as happens with Nine's coverage of the NRL at times. It must be sufficiently TV-friendly for the broadcast partners to be able to make money showing the matches, so it must have enough ad minutes available for them to sell, without their audience missing any of the play.
In short it has to be something able to go where RL has never been able to go. And the chronic problems in northern hemisphere RL tell me that the game will be confined to Australiasia before long without that.
So it won't carry on in England (130 years and counting), France and all the other countries with fledgling competition's. I don't know if you realise that more people play in leagues that don't have TV contracts and have never had contracts. It's only the small percentage of professional part of the game that requires TV revenue to go with gate and sponsorship revenue.
I laughed at the requirements to understand the rules(it's laws). How many referees in union actually understand the laws never mind the watching audience.
I think you have too much time on your hands.
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Are Wigan after winning the GF, the most successful feeder club in history.
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56 minutes ago, M j M said:
My view on this: I'm sure IMG have got some smart people on board and there's definitely value to be got out of working with them. But we definitely shouldn't assume they have a clue how to administrate, market and grow a hyper-regional sport like Rugby League.
When has RL ever run by people who know how to market,grow and administrate the sport. We have held back clubs self interest, unqualified administration, we harm our interests more than the RFU have done.
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I feel sad writing this ,as a long standing poster with a decent record I have enjoyed this forum, not just for RL but the debates that happen without (generally) getting personal. I feel I have or the forum has outgrown me.
I feel when you are labeled at one extreme or another for asking questions or raising points it's an area we should avoid and that's why I have enjoyed this forum.
We rarely know each other(I have never met anyone on here) and are basically keyboard commentators.
I received comments personally I find offensive from someone I regard as a considered poster. And when to the decent posters become personal it's heading in the wrong direction.
To put some meat on my 2 dimensional username I am in my 60s played. ,coached and still watch and enjoy the game, I have always enjoyed discussing and even being the devil's advocate just to look at all aspects of a subject rather than attach myself to one end or the other. This attitude has helped me inside and outside of work when dealing with emotional subjects and situations.
I will sign out on registering this statement and will not return, I wish you all well and hope you get back to debating subjects in an open and tolerant manner.
Thanks Ian.