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  1. Really please for Leigh. I have no doubt as all club teams that Leigh players have worked hard through the season together with the board and good for the fans to at last get a win... a group of really loyal fans are no doubt over the moon. Well done to the club, team and fans
  2. Not sure that having a competitive league means better entertainment on the field to bring in the fan base we need as a sport. It may be an extra component but their is more to it to excite interest. Except maybe for some fans of clubs in that potentially boring competitive league as distinct from increasing demand through exciting entertainment. Yep. I'm just being a little extreme to make the point and whilst today SL is not a boringly competitive league it sometimes seems more boring than should be or could be. To add - I think Wigan will always make the payoffs every year and more than likely often make the GF or CCF... but don't think that in itself will bring any significantly higher Wigan attendance if it remains as is today.
  3. Interesting reading and I guess ultimately its about balance. It seems to me if Wigan's attendances are declining over many years then its a fair question as why. One reason may be as Exiled Wiganer says in his comments... the balance or where the primary focus is may not be right. The Salary Cap is for sure a reality for all clubs and Wigan but the level of it is stifling the top of the sport. That is another whole discussion but for me is one of the major factors to question of their declining attendance.
  4. I guess your correct from a competitive team with the others in SL but will that bring in the fans and increase the attendances significantly.
  5. I guess as a business if something is important enough you plan contingencies... One or the other or both don't see it as important enough. I mean we are still in covid times and likelihood of cancellations at short notice are relatively high.
  6. yep your absolutely correct. Having watched it I would imagine the negativity would have been huge on this forum if more had watched on TV.
  7. To follow on comments above. It really was a poor game of entertainment. Both teams lacked any attacking flair so to speak and seemed very tired teams. Although both teams tackling was generally good in preventing many years being made in the first half. Apart from a couple of Leeds breaks both teams were very pedestrian and easy to defend against. Leeds were far the better team in the 2nd half and could have made more of their opportunities, but it was a new team with the youngsters and hence can be expected not to be gelling as well as the attack could have been. I think the schedule of games has had a major impact to both plus the rules being played to. Something needs to done to ensure its different next year otherwise the chance to bring back fans or hold to existing will be dimmed. In my view the standard of entertainment was very poor - especially the first half.
  8. yep, would agree... although even when he first came on the scene with fans over the moon with him he exhibited his defensive weakness and poor agility. Fans as always see what they want to see depending on their emotions... barn storming runs made him a hero, subsequent poorer form of the team see's his weakness. We are a fickle lot. Personally I'd keep him and use him from the bench when the opposition are tiring... he can with his barn storming runs lift the team. If you can stop him jumping the line the rest of the defensive setup/line could cope better. Although he ain't the only at Leeds prone to jump the line... One thing I admire with saints the confidence and patience they show when the opposition is moving the ball wide and at speed...
  9. I guess that is were a strong marketing organisation in all its different aspects helps to identify what it is that does not turn enough people to want to watch RL. Looking at the whole product. We are a country that has a large sports interested population, maybe not so sports minded as the USA, and to say the obvious we must be able to capture a larger portion of them. Part of that is making it easier for them to watch, assuming the action on the field gets them interested enough. One thing I have always hated is the tag line "the greatest game" which I think has caused some to sit back and think the game on the field is so good to all and sundry. Plus if somebody likes another sport that tag line is surely saying something to them about their choice of sport. As to your question... I take more interest in both Saints and Leeds. My wife is an avid Leeds fan and hence that's the games we mostly attend given where we live. As supporters of RL and certain clubs we tend to be a little insular as to what a new audience may want to see. As a fan all games whether lacking lots of passing and elusive running and just simple 5 drives and a don't know what else to do high kick will always have some interest. Even if just the anxiety that comes from not wanting your club/team to lose.
  10. The real problem may be that the game itself isn't what enough people like to watch... Even though I attend virtually every week a game it doest really excite often... just imagine only getting a glimpse and that has to persuade people to followup...
  11. Maybe but a large area around those clubs will have, most people in Liverpool or Manchester, or Sheffield etc etc will know those towns. I am not saying they are interested in the sport but they will know the towns. A good marketing organisation would help in identifying the barriers and opportunities from those close by cities or bigger towns. We have what we have as the starting point. I don't follow rugby union but I know where the premiership clubs are even if they have non location names, e.g saracens, etc.
  12. Thanks for response... if nothing else it causes discussion. That is whatever our personal views we all want rugby league to be financial sustainable for the long term.
  13. Mind you thats what some private equity houses do... sell the property and give themselves huge dividends from the income whilst loading the business with debt... Didn't that happen to many care homes that subsequent went bust once the first private equity firm sold on and the property owner raising the rent/lease, etc. Then again it often works well initially... I can see the HMRC selling property and then renting back less space whilst the other space is rented out by the new property owner. I guess what I am saying it depends on the contracts and ability to see ahead... in the case of a RFL club I suspect they wouldn't be looking ahead too well... sorry to side track...
  14. Often the problem with many grand ideas or suggestion is the practical or pragmatic getting from current to the all singing vision/idea without the whole edifice collapsing.
  15. Yes, I agree. It's a horse and cart scenario... We would have media stars because the sport has the profile. Stars alone will not create the sports profile and we won't have stars without the sports profile being higher.
  16. thanks for the reply. Yep fair comment, although its a poorer spectacle and hence not so good from a sport selling point perspective, if stuck to watching the up and coming and often the just out the academy players.
  17. Thanks for your response. Agree in general but to bear in mind that yep the player pool is huge but also a massive club pool to fill. Rugby League has a relative small professional club pool to fill with that limited player pool. So relatively I'm not sure how limiting the player pool really is or has been to the professional game. All-be-it if it continues drying up as seems to be it or if our better young players continue go off to NRL then its all part of the downward spiral here and inter-related..
  18. well maybe but as we know with RL things can quickly change... for reasons beyond our comprehension, I've more chance of understanding the changing technology face of nuclear fusion then RFL/SL,,,,
  19. of course media comes into it, but that media huge interest is because of the standard of players leading to the glamour of the football in this country. That relative high standard is because of the money. That money is because of originally the top 4, then top 6 and now the top 8. That is the top clubs have been the key catalyst bringing in the big deals, which subsequently is big enough so that even the lower standard clubs of the PL are now able to bring in international level players - thus raising those clubs playing standards. The PL success has been spurned by the Man Utd, Liverpool's, etc leading to the huge profile and subsequent investments by multi billionaires leading to likes of Chelsea, Man City greatly adding to the competition at the top and further glamour of the sport. If the PL had gone the SL way in limiting the top clubs to a salary cap so low as to help the poorest/weakest clubs (or to have shared it out across the whole of the professional league structure) I don't think the huge monetary success of the PL would be as it is now.
  20. but they didn't just one day decide to expand into other area's. They created a market of high demand that meant they could chose to move franchises/clubs to suit or able to attract fans from a wider geographical footprint than previous. On this forum its like a magic formula that suddenly we should expand or create clubs in cities. First we have to create that demand - that takes time. We need a pragmatic solution that enables us to take those choices if wanted in the longer term. Until then we may have to prune to create that chance - I haven't seen anything better proposed than some sort of pruning as a first step. as in prune with regards to money allocation to less clubs.
  21. could look at it another way... pay a pittance to the up and coming youngsters expecting them to stay around to be be coached to improve. We as in SL tend to use the young academy players as fill in... not guiding and manging their exposure whilst improving them through coaching at a higher level. It seems to me we just want a fair number of academy players as just temporary make weights. Its not surprising so many move on/out
  22. I'm not against SL going to ten clubs, but I don't agree with some views that their are only a few strong teams. Yes only a few have won silverware but that's no different than soccer. From my perspective we have x5 relatively strong financial clubs that could go beyond the salary cap. On top of that we have Hull FC whom could be added, we have Castleford who ignoring this Covid year are very competitive to any of the clubs. We have Hull KR building well and Huddersfield. To me we have seven to nine competitive clubs, that's a fair percentage of the current 12 and even more so if 10 clubs. All-be-it only a few have won silverware. That's no different than soccer whom have gone from top 4, to top 6 and now top 8 over the decade or so, with only x3 or x4 winning the main prize.. Yep, I think the standard on the field could be improved but that to me is a salary cap issue. Either unable to keep the "best" for longer o attracting higher standard as well as playing a good sum to young players coming through as an incentive to stay in the sport and improve - don't think I would be highly incentivised to stay in SL if a young inexperienced player to maintain the focus on improving if getting relative pitiful money. Not surprised we lose so many, given themselves a chance to reach peak performance.
  23. maybe, but their was and continues huge demand for soccer grounds attendance. So that doing Monday isn't a big hit due to that demand. We have never had such demand so it is/was more risky to ground attendance. Don't blame Sky for wanting to fill its schedules but RFL/SL for allowing non of its own control over prime fixtures. Although I recognise that may have been difficult given need for money, short term v mid to longer term impact.
  24. Yep, agree as per my comment on the family section of stand at Headingly the other day. Look forward to the cricket approach... without the blazer and tie
  25. Agree in general, but the flip side our enjoyment was spoiled the other day at Headingly having a bunch of drunks sitting behind... all thinking their comments funny but in essence abusive, balancing drinks that spilled as they moved and went back for more... My family often don't attend much saying such is a factor, especially for the little un's. It is/was good that Headingly had a family stand section... Always seems to me for some and seems to me drinks is the only factor getting them their. Never-the-less the above are a minority and the social drinking is a key part of my enjoyment normally. I just don't impose any drunken behaviour on others. I guess it comes down to stewarding, like a barman of old who knows when somebody is going to be a pain in the backside.
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