Billy Bob
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20 minutes ago, Unicorn 106 said:
I'm just pleased the club have issued a statement regarding our position. We all need to stick together and try and get our club through this. I'm struggling to get any of my floating Townie mates to attend today, and unfortunately most of the crowd I usually attend with can't make it today for various reasons. I will be there as usual, buying more HT draw tickets than usual and a few more pints than normal. I've also donated after much deliberation, I love our club and would be devastated if we didn't exist. UTT.
Well done "Eunuch" my bezzie, hope you get a win and a good gate.
Good Luck.
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1 hour ago, Derwent said:
What has any of this got to do with the current directors not being forthcoming with information about our current state ? It would take 15 minutes for someone to put an open and honest statement on the club website. How much the club actually needs to get to the end of the season would be a start.
All this stuff you are writing is classic diversion tactics, avoid the real issue and deflect blame elsewhere. Nobody is blaming the directors for the club’s financial plight because that’s largely out of their control. But communication is within their control and whether you like it or not it has been abysmal in this situation.
Unfortunately if the B.o D came out and publicized the clubs financial details it may cause panic with their suppliers and creditors, creating a bankruptcy threat that isn't really there, yes money is tight but it can be managed, loose talk and speculation can only make the situation worse.
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24 minutes ago, donald said:
Usually if an amateur signs a 2 year contract at say 10k it gets spread out monthly over the 2 years plus winning and losing pay on top of that
Donald correct, also if another club wants to sign a player whilst he is in contract, that club would have to buy his contract, hence a transfer fee.
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15 minutes ago, Davo5 said:
And how do you expect to attract players of any quality next year or even keep the ones who were pretty much forced into accepting reduced money was my point.
You are missing the point, the club is in between a rock and a hard place. If they paid the players money without a reduction the club may go to the wall, if they it made easy for players to leave, with the consequences of not being able to turn out enough numbers to field a full team, not fulfilling their match commitments, and resulting in the Rlfc kicking them out.
Putting the new stadium development in jeopardy. No doubt the RLFC are aware whats going on and monitoring the situation carefully. Davos the B.o D. in my opinion have no other option, if you want a future for the club, please put up & shut up.
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1 hour ago, Wrlfc said:
Release ? Town broke the players contract therefore he a free agent no release needed is there ?
RLFC require documentation to prove Town had released him from any contract.
Regarding the breaking of contracts the Town players were told of the reduction of their contract money 2 days prior to the Rlfc's transfer deadline date. Players that wanted to leave didn't have time to meet the deadline, and had no option but to accept the reduced terms.
Town B.o.D in my opinion made the correct decision, if the playing staff had found other clubs Town would not have enough players to fulfill their fixtures and that would have been a disaster, good decision by the B.o D.
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3 hours ago, DavidM said:
He’s bound to score 6 tries against us on telly and then this season will be just summed up
Teare can't play on Sunday, it is part of Towns release agreement.
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10 hours ago, Hate the rec said:
One of the players that will work over both clubs over the years, it's happened loads of times and will happen again no bought and both clubs never learn . Town didn't get much for there outlay did they ?
According to my info Teare signed for Town for a £12k contract sum, this is not paid in one lump sum, but made as monthly payments through out the season. Therefore Town have not incurred the full £12K.
Haven have signed Teare on a match to match basis until the end of season.
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9 hours ago, Davo5 said:
If things really are that desperate surely it’s time the BOD swallowed their pride,let the supporters know the full facts & like Donald says even ask for help,plenty of other clubs have done similar over the years.
I really hope a solution is found to your clubs current problems.
Towns B.o.D. is in my opinion correct in the way they are approaching the problem. If they explain too much they may cause panic, say too little they create suspicion.
If to much fuss is made of this situation it may cause creditors to panic, resulting in making the problem far worse than it really is.
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1 minute ago, Death to the Rah Rah's said:
We’ve even answered a lot of their potential questions on this page
Top and bottom of it is there’s only enough players, sponsors and if we are being honest, spectators to support one side.
We can cling to the past and make as many 1952 challenge cup polos and Lancs cup final commemorative tops as you like, but that’s all it is, history, and it’s the here and now that really matters and we aren’t and haven’t been a top club for a long long time, nor are we likely to be in the next few years.
Ive a strong feeling the game will be slimmed down to professional divisions and I think it will go on a case by case basis not on final league positions - with recommendations for clubs to merge
thats what my guys telling me
It could also require teams to be full time professionals.
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38 minutes ago, Blind side johnny said:
It wouldn't be a transfer. By demanding a change in their contracts the players can refuse and immediately become free agents. As such they can sign for any other club anytime.
I also thought Teare's agreed signing on fee was £12k, was he paid or part paid ? seems odd if he has signed for Haven, if owed a signing on fee ?
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Championship & Championship 1 clubs, should explore the possibility of breaking away from the RFL and vote to take the Challenge cup competition with them.
If this could be legally done, then a new league of 16 or 18 clubs could sell the TV live screening of matches to the BBC, ITV etc, and also sell the challenge cup games.
Income that is raised can then go to the clubs in this new league.
RLF, Super league & Sky TV, can then go and sling their hook.
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3 hours ago, The Voodooguru said:
From the social media Catalans have recalled all their loan players. So I've no idea if the work permit craic was correct but they'd have gone anyway. Hope we didn't have to pay for their plane tickets!
I hope, that if players are re-called by their parent club without fulfilling there agreed loan period, then the parent club would have to stand the cost of plane tickets.
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I preferred it when there was just one league, although the changes they have made to make the game more open and faster and having summer rugby is a huge improvement imo.
However when there was one league with 32 teams, even if you were getting stuffed by the top clubs, rugby fans got too see the top teams with international stars.
Plus majority if not all of the clubs had a reserve team and played in a meaning full competition, with decent support from the fans.
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20 minutes ago, dkw said:
I don't think anyone at the club should be above comment, whether it's praise or criticism, as long as its not abusive or over the top.
Garbage like Billy Bobs though should be read with utter disdain as usual.
Hang on dkw, in no way have I criticized Thorman, and I have stated imo he is a good coach. In the championship league where majority of clubs are strapped for cash, they employ a part time coach, which co-insides with a semi pro part time team, in order to keep within their budgets and allow more money for recruitment of players.
If you find this garbage and contains utter disdain, you seriously need help.
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4 hours ago, Town67 said:
Let’s not forget Chris is on a full time wage… what is he doing to justify his wage. He has to be accountable for the results, this is his side. He never wanted a big pack. He’s mismanaged a lot of players which has left the squad down to the bare bones which then kills morale. I feel the club need a new direction and I don’t think Chris is the way to go especially with his track record with locals. I don’t agree with being late to recruitment either, you identify your targets early on and do what it takes to get them
Thorman in my opinion is a good coach, unfortunately you hit the nail on the head, pointing out he is a full time in a part time semi pro setup and probably having other expences attached to his job, house, car, fuel etc.
With all these costs to consider it reduces the amount of money that is available for recruitment of players. Team success is all about money.
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1 hour ago, Unicorn 106 said:
We know you are an haven fan Billy, you now tell us every time you post. After years of kidding none of us you were a Townie, you officially came out of the closet and informed us that you bat for the other side
. So the stadium issue is a tax payers concern is it, and not that we might finish up with something that could put our club in a stronger position. 
it might not work out that way, but IMO we cant stand still and watch DP crumble, It might not be ideal but we have to move forward. ...waits for the predictable and boring Eunoch repost.
Eunuch, my bezzie, I was wondering when you would crawl from underneath your stone. On the contrary I am not against a new stadium, I was advocating caution, to many other clubs and businesses have committed to similar proposals and find they have ended up having no say or controls over activities where they raise revenue, in areas such as bar sales, food & snacks etc. Allerdale council will appoint a management company, and pass on all the their running costs to the clubs that use the stadium.
Eunuch you are wrong, I am advising caution, if Allerdale intends to subsidize the new stadium you have great deal.
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2 hours ago, dkw said:
Absolute ###### as usual. DP looks great but it's sticking plasters to keep it going, that's it. It's been a brilliant effort to clean it up, but it's just in the surface, the actual structure is not good. The grandstand is basically sinking, paint won't change that. How on earth you know there no space etc when there's no actual final design in place is amazing, when did you first notice you can see into the future.
I am a Haven supporter, if the D.P. grandstand is sinking the H.S.E. would not allow the stand to be used, therefore the stand must be fit for use?
Whilst the funding to build a new stadium looks like it will be secured at no cost to Town or Reds, the running costs for the use of the stadium will be charged to the end users.
The stadium will not be owned by the users, and I have asked these questions before but no one seems to have an answer. If a management company runs the stadium and the on site facilities Bars, Catering, Refreshments etc, do they keep the income ? Do the management company, cut the grass, mark out the pitches, clean the stadium and pass on the costs, work the clubs get done now for free by volunteers. Costs for office staff etc.
There lots of hidden costs and charges to be sorted out and considered, will the local council tax payers be happy if they end up having to subsidize the stadium?
Until Town & Reds get all the answers in writing don't jump in.
This applies to all R/L clubs if relegated the RLFC reduces their funding accordingly.
What's this got to do with a Haven supporter, I am an Allerdale council tax payer.
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12 minutes ago, Bearman said:
I really do not understand why everyone is so anti merger.
Both sets of supporters boo the others players when they are wearing the wrong set of colours.
Then when one of players swaps clubs they boo or cheer that very player depending on which shirt they are now wearing.
Everyone understands that the player's are basically following the money and as professionals are entitled to do so.
So surely a new club Workhaven, West Cumbria or whatever they are called would give both sets of supporters the best of 34 player's to cheer on. They would have the opportunity to leave the baggage behind and have more chance of cheering a winning team.
That is surely better than seeing two proud clubs haemorraging away?
Luke Broadbent is reported to have signed on loan to Haven, I thought he was supposed to be on loan to Town for the rest of this season, can anyone confirm if Town released him ?
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31 minutes ago, chromedome said:
Yes Ian given the difference in quality between the 2 squads is the vital factor here.
So Town had to go through the 2021 play offs to achieve promotion - and think I've read on here that it was tantamount to us not being able to plan/recruit 'early doors' as it were.......and therefore the best available player talent was snapped up before Town could react. ( is that true?)... Therefore we end up with "a League 1 squad playing in the Championship"......and that saddens me to hear it said.
But come on I see plenty of recruitment, of good quality i.e. Championship personnel, still in progress - even Barrow have again snapped up some newbies recently. Granted we've took on some loans too but- and I stand to be corrected - they are not Championship material - as yet. (I guess you'll name some who possibly are?) Maybe we need to go down and regather winning momentum it's just that League 1 isn't attractive is it?
.....Anyway hopefully tomorrow brings the best out our lads and a decent performance lifts my spirits accordingly....UTT.
Being a derby game, I would have liked to go to the Town match tomorrow, but it clashes with Havens home game. "However" I think you are being far to critical regarding not recruiting players for the for the Championship, at the time majority of opinion on this forum with the exception of recruiting the extra 1 or 2 the team was good enough to compete in this league. No one realizes the huge differences between the quality of the leagues until they get there. Barrow had the advantage of their previous experience of Championship rugby and they used it to plan and improve their set up and recruitment to maintain a Championship club.
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35 minutes ago, Blind side johnny said:
TJ's put their flag diagonally across their chest to signal a FP, which might well have happened but you didn't notice. A lot of fans think that a TJ should be signalling like a linesman (assistant referee) at football, waving their flag for everything. In RL they don't, and never have done, but they do use a number of more subtle signals to communicate.
You will be telling us next that they are all Aliens from another planet and are telepathic mind reading time travellers.
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2 hours ago, Havenwarrior2021 said:
Ben Thaler you have got to be joking he had a nightmare at haven yesterday. Bradford tinted glasses.
I was at the Haven game yesterday, and thought Thaler did a good job as he always does.
However, most fans of a loosing team they always want a scapegoat and blame the Ref for their teams losses.
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15 minutes ago, RogerT said:
Coming up from Batley by car where's the best place to park.
Try the railway station, just a kick in the Ass off the ground
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On 19/04/2022 at 13:55, Unicorn 106 said:
Who was blaming the floodlights the Ref or away supporters. How would a few numpties throwing beer have any affect on the game.
No need to wake up and smell the coffee for most on here, we know we aren't good enough, so you are just stating the obvious. It's a forum where we discuss all things Town on and off the field the good and the bad. Daftest post of the year so far, take a bow.
Eunuch my bezzie this is for you. I thought Town contributed well to a hard fought dower game. Firstly I would wish to state that in my opinion there was a good atmosphere and banter between fans, with exception of a couple incidents, Thorman giving signing to Haven fans, A club coach should have more sense and better judgement and rise above fans goading. I also disagree totally with Haven fans chanting "Fat ####" at Jamie Doran it was personal , insulting and out of order. Regarding the game, Towns line defence was well coached moving up and and closing down Havens superior possession advantage, and Towns goal line defence was excellent preventing Haven from grounding the ball over the try line on 5 -6 occasions. I have took note on fans comments on here regarding Forbers form this season, calling for him to be dropped from the team, at Sundays game I thought Doran except from his excellent kicking game was generally nullified not making even half a break and his usual distribution wasn't there, and my conclusion was whilst Forber isn't getting rave notices he has the experience and ability to make space for Doran to do the business.
EUNUCH all the best for the Season
Your Bezzie.
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3 hours ago, Havenfan13 said:
Said this for years we need new lights but nothing gets done even we know the lights aren’t good enough or lack of bulb power
How can you justify buying new floodlights to accommodate playing a night match that only occurs every 2 or 3 years. Playing summer rugby as more or less made floodlights unnecessary.
Help secure the future of our club.
in Workington Town
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"Eunuch" my Bezzie, with you being well connected, perhaps you can confirm the following. My reliable contacts inform me that Thunder are going back to part time players next season, Thunder BoD are disappointed with this seasons performance and the resulting costs.
Consequently in order to reduce cost Bett's will be leaving Thunder and Thorman will be appointed for next season.
Have you heard anything on the grapevine ?