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  1. I appreciate you may not have fully read the first post but I am not a fan of Bradford, it is just when I was growing up Bradford were the team so a useful username. Also, I said it was in a world where I won the euromillions and could get Bradford a 12,000 capacity stadium. Even now, I think people would struggle not to believe that if Bradford could get a tidy small stadium in Bradford (think Widnes or Leigh style stadium) they couldn't pull in 8000 as a season average. I also don't understand the type of person in hrtbps to go on a post they clearly aren't interested in , although the Anfield comment was slightly humorous
  2. Hi Ray, Yes this is speculation mixed with realism. Most people on here think the TV deal will be lowered (perhaps the record GF figures will help) hence why I would get Toulouse in and give them a 3 year grace along with the other NAmerican team. Realistically, we need the non UK teams to generate their own deal and having 2 teams from each nation would make it possible. We would have 11 UK teams whilst still having p and r, giving us a competitive second tier which should and could look for a FTA deal of its own. On the p and r, it is statistically undeniable that more casual fans attend when there is something to play for so for me, p and r is essentially to grow a thriving second tier.
  3. Ok so back in the dry. Don't want to turn it into an essay but people took the time to respond so here goes. As mentioned, AN Other could be a bunch of teams. Again I don't want franchising and the whole benefit of expanding the league with a 2 up , 2 down or 1 guaranteed plus potential playoff winners is that you would have more chance of a variety of clubs getting into the top tier for a few seasons. Can Huddersfield draw more than Leigh in Super League ? No. Would Wakefield be better than Widnes? Widnes got 4000 this year and could probably get 6,000 again in Super League. A Cumbrian side could probably make it, Barrow got solid attendances despite a poor season this time around. The point here is to give opportunities for all clubs (even Keighley who were barred all those years ago) to go up without needing to break the bank and people have something to play for. Also, if Toronto exist then we would need another NA team for it to work I feel. Plus, this Ottawa set up is going to happen and on 'a basket case' I would say read the first bit where I acknowledged Bradford's dire situation but we can't deny if Bradford had an even basic stadium that doesn't chew up money they could draw 8,000 in Super League. Oliver, I'd go 15 to do the rest week if clubs play the back to back NA games then get the week off and not have to remove British teams for the foreign ones but part of any restructure involves having a thriving second tier which can generate it's own stories excitement and playoffs. If we cut off the opportunity for those clubs to progress are people's livelihoods not being potentially damaged by not being able to reach their potential? I'd say so. Plus 15 is 14 home games a year which I heard bandied round as the magic number and no more loop fixtures. As mentioned, a Super League like this (let's say Salford and Leigh are in SL for the sake of arguement) would leave a pretty stacked championship (Giants, Wakefield, Rovers, Widnes, Broncos, York) all with a real chance of pushing for the two promotion spots every year and perhaps re-energising lapsed fans at other clubs if one season they made the big time. Also , it should produce enough excitement to look for a FTA TV deal to get exposure for the game. I watched alot of Championship games on the RL website and I think it could find a home somewhere.
  4. Still at work but will respond to the points raised after. Some good points raised by a few.
  5. Hi there, Yes I have been conservative on sum. Cas average comes from the 7k they got this year. Think in the world where I build a 12k 3g stadium for bulls they could pull more but I wanted to be conservative. Same with Toronto I think. Where I may have been too ambitious is Newcastle but they are getting 1000 in League 1 and they would be a welcome away Day. Toulouse with the rivalry game could get up to 6k or level with Huddesfield. I would give Toulouse the 3 year holiday similar to Catalans so they can build and help grow the game. Are 5,000 fans in France worth more than in England? Probably. The AN others could be a host of teams who could no doubt get plus the real challenge is to build a second tier with enough competitive teams to get a FTA deal to grow the exposure of the game and make it a friday night fixture on the telly. And yes, I am sad enough to have thought of what that will look like.
  6. Hello there! Long time lurker but first post. As it's the off season for club rugby league I thought I would post about a speculative 15/14 SL and possible re structure (because I know we love them on here). First, some throat clearing. This would require me to win the euro millions and sort out Bradford with a 12,000 Capacity stadium. No, I am not in favour of franchising and want P + R, this is just what a successful 14/15 team league could look like. I am from Shropshire and although the name is ShropshireBull, I have no allegiance to any club but just remember the Bulls being the team when I was younger. For the love of God let's not turn this into another Toronto only post. Although I am in favour of p + r I would be happy to see registered expansion teams given a 3 year grace period before they can be relegated (so Toulouse for instance) this would allow them and Catalans to work together and grow the sport there whilst having yearly rivalry games but also eliminating loop fixtures. If we are going to have Toronto (I know Parksider, I know) then we do need another NA team so I have included one. Tbh, I would love to see us have more French teams but take it for what it is. I have chose teams based on their potential and opportunity for growth of the sport. I have put a speculative average for what I think they could average in attendances . St Helens 12,000 , Wigan 11,000 Leeds 13,000 , Bradford 8,000 Hull 11,000, Hull KR 8,000 Catalan 8,000, Toulouse 6,000 Toronto 8,000, NA Team 8,000 Warrington 10,000, Cas 7,000 Newcastle 6,000, AN Other 5,000 AN Other 5,000 Two relegation places outright or 1 guaranteed with the Championship winners going up and the 2nd from bottom Super League team entering the championship playoffs to keep their place. This way, we keep mobility in the pyramid, we guarantee a minimum number of teams from each country for tv deals and international growth of the game. Keen to see what the long time experts would make of such a system.
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