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  1. On 22/03/2022 at 13:50, Jughead said:

    Would Salford RD be buying Moor Lane then? I thought they’d merely be renting from the council, though I don’t really keep up to date with stadium nonsense. 

    Salford will be leasing it from the council. 

    meaning they will be responsible for the ground etc but also allow them to benefit from the commercial streams that come with that

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  2. 5 hours ago, theswanmcr said:

    As it stands we can’t pay the rent at our current home. So basically, even if it is a disaster, at the minute we have little choice so it’s either that or go out of business. We have to make the best of it.

    Any move to Moor Lane would also open up much more potential commercial value to the club.

    They would in essence be the masters of their own destiny when it comes to F & B, Naming rights to the stands, naming rights to the stadium. potential to have a club shop on site.

    Any other users of the ground would in essence have to pay SRD rent.

    whilst from the outside looking in it may look a very bad move, however the more you look into the detail it could well prove to be a very good move for the club as a whole.  

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  3. 24 minutes ago, Yakstorm said:

    2020 could have been a big year for Salford in terms of growing their base. The 2019 GF appearance followed up by making it to Wembley the following year would have seen some sort of uplift in any other scenario. 

    It's a shame that the momentum has since gone.

    Yep,

    in typical salford fashion the times when we have the slightest bit of success we are unable to maximise the potential due to COVID and BCD games a month into the season.  TO make it worse the first time the club reached the Challenge cup final since the 68/ 69 season no fans were able to go and thus once again the club unable to maxmise this.

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  4. 37 minutes ago, Damien said:

    I think if all of this happens then people will be a lot more positive about Salford. It isn't just about the ground and is the full package as a club and all of this is certainly a step in the right dircetion.

    the club have a development academy now run in conjunction with Eccles college, the club are currently looking at eventually turning this into a fully fledged CAT A Academy, we were refused 1 last time along with Leigh. we also have a womens team for net year with trials held a couple of weeks ago circa 60 people turned up for trials and the club have selected a squad from those who participated. club are also now setting up both LDRL and PDRL teams aswell as the obvious reserves. 

    the link up we have developed with the welsh RL has already resulted in 3 lads getting into UCLAN doing degrees whilst continuing paying for the Salford reserves, again all done through the current Salford directors 

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  5. 3 hours ago, sweaty craiq said:

    5K filled every week would be great but here is the link to the stadium/facilities The-Peninsula-Stadium-Guide.pdf (salfordcityfc.co.uk) Take a minute to look at the ground and the parking sections.

    Parking will be a nightmare, and as far as I can see has not been considered - but that just affects matchday fans!!!!

    Look at the shallow seating/terrace and tell me what the commentary position will be for Sky or indeed any decent viewing cameras?

    The club are currently looking at options around Moor Lane, they have also confirmed that Park and ride schemes would be used.

     

    Re TV cameras, cub have confirmed that a  gantry would be built on top of one of the current stands, both confirmed at the fans forum.

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  6. 4 minutes ago, theswanmcr said:

    It is not a dump. You and other may, quite rightly, see it as too small etc but is not a dump. It is a neat and (very) compact stadium that can create a good atmosphere when full.

    The issue of stadium and what is good enough standard is an emotive and personal one.

    Castleford is a dump. A total dump. But is also has a great feel to it and is the perfect size. Huddersfield is a fine stadium but it is way way too big and has no atmosphere and looks grim on TV.

    As ever it’s a balance and not many clubs have the perfect size stadium for their needs and level.

    lets also not forget that the club have said that this move it it happens has to satisfy them, it may well be that the move is temporary for a couple of years to consolidate take stock and grow, the Commercial side of the club is growing massively and they are looking at growing commercial revenue 4 times what it has been for the last few years. 

    lets wait and see what is said at the Fans Forum on the 4th before the salford bashing continues

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  7. 14 hours ago, Davo5 said:

    Well with 8-9 K attendances they might have been able to keep up with their rent & wouldn’t be facing eviction.

    The stadium company is currently circa £30m in debt, how would an extra 200k per season for the last 10 years have prevented that level of debt? regardless how you want to wash it up any club who rents a stadium runs this risk, wealthier club comes in and instead of buying the stadium is actually purchasing the stadium company including all of its assets allowing the lease agreement to be amended to suit. 

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  8. 1 hour ago, sweaty craiq said:

    How have they put the club on a more stable trajectory, you failed to meet the cva and failed to pay rent agreed. No Koukash no club today

    Maybe so, however the club is now debt free by all intents and purposes, have a competitive squad, Rent was still an issue when Koukash was in charge and despite the millions he never paid the agreed rental figure either.  He also didnt pay off the CVA whilst he was in charge. 

    He did however sell a number of players in order to reduce the money that he had to put in, he abolished the academy because he didn't see the benefit of it. 

    So the fact that we are in the early stages of developing an academy, we are engaging more in the community and have no large debts hanging over the clubs heads means yes they are on a much more stable trajectory, granted the move from the AJ Bell if far from ideal but the club will deal with it they will be in a position to generate much more income from Moor Lane and move forward

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  9. 10 minutes ago, Scubby said:

    He may be doing it with a heavy heart but he is doing it. He is an honest guy.

    He knows where he is moving from and where he is moving to. He also knows the history of Salford RLFC and the cul-de-sac they are heading down with Moor Lane in terms of what a SL club requires..

    no he is doing it to protect his club if they progress as there aspirations are to do. 

    If they get promoted they have to move out of Moor Lane

  10. 52 minutes ago, Scubby said:

    Hence why Gary Neville is shrewdly capitalising on Salford's poor predicament at the moment to engineer this switch. It doesn't matter if Salford FC get promoted in the next few seasons - if they draw top opposition in the cups they now have a venue to capitalise on.

    However you want to dress it up, the AJ Bell Stadium was built for Salford RLFC - they have done nothing to take that opportunity and have effectively been cuckooed out of it by more ambitious rivals.

    Gary Neville and Co arent capitalizing on the Rugby clubs predicament, Sale Sharks are looking at buying the stadium so they can generate much more from matchdays, Neville rightly knows that if they dont move now and buy the stadium with Sale and they get promoted they will have to move out of the city which they dont want. 

    They have already confirmed that this move is coming to early for them but its either move now or risk moving out of the city.

  11. 19 minutes ago, Toby Chopra said:

    I don't think that's quite fair. Mr Koukash himself funded a decent quality team that ultimately made 2 finals in two years, offered free entry on occasion, put bands on and tried his best to make a noise about the club.

    Despite all that, hardly anyone extra turned up. 

    Some will say it was the location,  others that the COVID shut down came at the worst possible time. Maybe those things made a marginal difference, but plenty of other sports clubs have overcome similar. The bigger picture is that rugby league just doesn't capture the imgaination of many people in Salford any more, if it ever did. 

    Had they stayed at the dilapidated Willows, even remaining in SL like Wakey and Cas, the numbers would have caught up with them in the end and we'd probably be where we are now, or worse. 

    Koukash left at the end of 2017, the current Board of directors have since put the club on a far more stable trajectory. the signings that have been made are in most cases an improvement of those who have left. 

    If the club do move to Moor lane then this will allow them to make the stadium work for themselves, the likes of sponsorship of the stadium will go to the club, F & B sales will go to the club, currently the only income that Salford get from match days is ticket sales. the club have come out and said that there obstacles that need to be overcome before any move takes place and the likes of parking etc are clearly some of those but none of them are insummountable. 

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  12. 17 hours ago, Red Willow said:

    Persoanlly Moor lane is the worst of the 3 grounds to get to and park.  (Weaste and Willows are the area and ground name and are the same thing)

    Salford aren't a well supported club, even in the glory days. Think more will drift off from the crowds if Moor lane becomes a reality.

     

    What would you propose those who run the club do given the current circumstances they find themselves embroiled in?

  13. 2 hours ago, Hammerless Nail said:

    This raises an interesting point. Salford City don't have too many fans (understandable given that they have the biggest football club in the country - one of the biggest in the world, even - right on their doorstep, and a second, mid-table, club even closer; just at the other end of Trafford Road, in fact).

    Those fans they do have are going to encounter the same problems Red Devils fans have in getting to the AJ Bell: it's either a single road or the motorway, and these two routes also take thousands upon thousands of people to the Trafford Centre, where they can experience all the same shops they can experience on any modern high street, but in an environment that echoes like the local swimming baths (you can hear the child screaming, but you can't tell where it's coming from).

    In fact, it's going to be worse for the football fans, as they'll likely be playing most of their matches on a Saturday afternoon - peak window licking time at the Trafford Centre - and will be playing during the four month run up to Christmas - peak peak window licking time at the Trafford Centre.

    I hope Gary Neville and the other owners put more thought into this than the Red Devils' owners did.

    Reason that Salford City are moving to AJ Bell is because they have aspirations to move into the Football championships, if they were to get there then Moor Lane doesnt meet the minimum requirements and as such they would have to move. the only stadium in the city that does meet these standards is the AJ Bell and if they didnt buy in with Sale they would then have to try and purchae from sale which is going to be more difficult. 

  14. 20 hours ago, sweaty craiq said:

    Thank you for the correction, so that I am up to speed

    What was the deal? and what was it previously? Someone told me the council agreed rent free unless over 8000?

    What was not repaid when the CVA was broke?

    The Original agreement was a rental amount that was based on the club achieving 8,500 average fans, clearly salford do not and have not had this. As this wasn't achievable salford negotiated with the SMC a reduced rent that they have been paying. 

    The CVA was debts from the John Wilkinson era, Koukash entered into eh CVA to consolidate the debts, nobody knows exactly who the debtors were or how much was due to each one. This is contrary to what many on this forum believe. Nothing was therefore not repaid when the CVA collapsed.

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  15. 1 hour ago, Damien said:

    I know its not really your point but when 25 years in we are still discussing and debating standards for our elite competition and doing the hokey cokey at various points when it comes to them, which is what partly drove Salford to move from the Willows in the first place, I do see some irony in all of this.

    Couldnt agree more. 

    Salford were essentially told either you move from the willows or you are out of the league. shame salford didnt back themselves to fight that off similar to what both wakey and cas have done. 

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  16. 29 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

    What exactly has forced their hand? The council now willing to sell the ground? Why has that happened?

    It is a shame Salford RL are in this position where their destiny is reliant on the benevolence of other parties.

    The whole development model of the AJ Bell was predicated that the sale of the land around the stadium would pay for the build costs of the stadium, the failure of that sale due to various reasons has lead to the council / Peel now being left with more debt. Land around the stadum was originally only for sale with planning for retail and leisure facilities, that has now been amended to industrial and logistics in an effort to sell the development land. only 2 of the plots have ever been sold since the planning of the stadium was granted, that bein Barley Farm and Aldi. various deals have fell through including a large Ikea.  

    Sale putting in an offer for the stadium and the Owners willingness to sell has forced their hand Gary Neville himself has stated it is a coupe of years to early for them but they have no choice now. 

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  17. 26 minutes ago, Tommygilf said:

    The lack of corporate at Moor Lane is a concern I would have thought, indeed its probably why Salford City are looking at moving out. Corporate generates so much more revenue per head than your standard punter its not even close. Is that money Salford can afford not to have?

    If there is to be a Salford backed expansion at Moor Lane I would expect corporate to be the primary driving force behind that.

    Ultimately Salford are now passengers in this deal.

    Salford City are moving out of Moor Lane because it doesn't meet the standards required by Championship football, The owners of Salford City have aspirations to do that in the next few years and as they have said this move has come far to early from them but its forced their hand somewhat. 

    the only ground inside the city boundaries that meets the requirements is the AJ Bell and if they dont buy in to it now when they do need to upgrade they will end up moving out of the city,. 

  18. 3 hours ago, Tommygilf said:

    No, I base it on having seen Salford play this year and seeing who they are losing for next vs the incoming players and the fact they currently have no coach. It would be a minor miracle if they aren't in the bottom two next year.

    interestingly are you fully aware of all incoming players for next sason or again s this pure guess work?

    out of those leaving i would have probably kept 2 those being Inu (albeit getting on a bit now) and Tui signed for hudds a very long time ago. incomings that have been announced are pretty solid upto now but quite a few more being mooted although not announced, all signings are generally spread out across the off season. Ken Sio going again for 2 more seasons is a massive plus and given he likely had a number of offers he probably sees that salford isn't a bad a place to be.

  19. 2 hours ago, Tommygilf said:

    But they haven't actually sold at any previous time though have they? Not until the debt they were owed was written off, and then talks got very serious. Landlords will often take reduced rents (and the promise of a larger debt), especially when the number of viable alternative tenants zero. That scenario has fundamentally changed now with no larger debt commitment from Salford RL and Salford City being a football league side on the up.

    I don't see how anyone can think the debacle won Salford RL any favours - even as tenants of Sale at the ground.

    Are the council 'actively assisting' in securing Moor Lane 'for' Salford? Or are Salford City seeing it as a good part exchange option to part-fund their side of the purchase of the AJ Bell? Moor Lane being part of the deal and the council therefore wanting tenants would be a happy coincidence for Salford RL, not a plan by design.

    Yes the council are actually assisting, regular meetings are being held and the Council were present and presented a portion of the fans forum as to how they are assisting. 

    Commercial property values have fallen heavily due tot eh pandemic and with further council cuts due to government cuts the council and peel have both seen this option as a viable one. All of the council, Sale and Salford FC are all on the same page in that none will make any formal offer for the stadium until such time as salford Red Devils have a secure future. 

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  20. 2 hours ago, Tommygilf said:

    They defaulted last November/December. Within 6 months it was an open secret that Sale and Salford City would be buying the ground. Seems pretty soon...

    Council and Peel have been wanting to sell the stadium for a number of months even years. If the club had alienated the council as much as claimed would the council have continued to allow reduced rents? would the council be actively assisting in securing moor lane for the club? 

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  21. 19 minutes ago, Damien said:

    There is rose tinted then there is this.

    Salford have all sorts of problems and they are certainly not well run or managed. They didn't comply with the CVA that they agreed and failed to pay £3.5 million that was owed to creditors, money primarily owed to the council that has lost them a lot of goodwill with the council and taxpayer. Yes people twisted this as great business but defaulting on debt and alienating creditors and backers of the club is never a good thing.

    They have time and time again not been able to afford rent at the AJ Bell and now are in the ludicrous position of being turfed out of the stadium that was built for them for 2 other clubs to buy it. No one can even say where Salford will be playing in 3 years and if it will be in a SL standard stadium.

    The squad is poor and is 2nd bottom. Watson performed miracles in his time there. Any coach will have his work cut out to keep Salford in SL. 

    Players can play for Leigh, Wigan and Warrington and have all the same living advantages that you cite with Salford. 

    I like Salford and want them to do well but the future isn't too rosy as things stand.

    Quite a bit of nonsense in that post to be honest. 

    Firstly the CVA (Which was debt from a regime twice previous) has been being paid ever since the current regime took over, likely they decided to call in the CVA in a season where there was no relegation and effectively wipe off 3.5m of debt off the club and have more money to spend elsewhere. you say they have lost goodwilll with the council yet the council are well on board with the Salford club, attended the fans forum where again they reaffirmed their commitment to help the club and looking at securing Moor Lane where the club will be part owners instead of tenants. its safe to say therefore that the club hasn't alienated the council.

    they haven't been able to afford the rent owing to the ludicrous position that the then owners put the club in and using an average attendance of 8,500 when agreeing to rental values.... again if the club had alienated the council as much as you claim then surely the club would have been booted out of the stadium sooner.   

    i would say that once the club move to Moor Lane they will be far better off commercially than they currently are.. 

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