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  1. 2 minutes ago, BryanC said:

    Wait until the smoke's cleared in a month or so and see what lessons you ALL take from this.

    Interesting words to stress.

    But a couple of things we know already:

    When people who are experts in stuff say one thing and bar room bores say another, we should probably upweight the views of the experts when deciding what to do 

    Pandemics are super time-critical

    We can find money for life and death stuff  - we just need to want to do it. We can house the homeless, we can relieve the financial pain of those out of work, we can help small businesses get access to supported credit, we can nationalise the railways and surge fund the NHS.  All these things it turns out we can do if we believe they are worth doing.

    In this crisis the unethical actions of some companies and the evident power of the government to do good should be grouped together in a re-appraisal of how our country works and who it works for.

    Our NHS is underfunded.

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  2. 4 minutes ago, JohnM said:

    This isn't a political point either. Its mor about how we may be adopting best practice from other countries. 

    Last night Macron made another speech, this time from a virus centre in Mulhouse.Taking questions afterwards, a high flying member of the French Ministry of Health revealed that the official “death” and “contamination” figures for thev irus in France, and also in Germany, do not include people who die at home, nor in old people’s homes, as they have not been “tested”.

    Only contamination and deaths in special coronavirus wards in hospitals are counted. So the figure for virus related deaths could be much higher. 

    If they haven't been tested how can you possibly include them in the figures as you don't know for sure what they died of (unless there is a post-mortem which can identify it?)

  3. 11 minutes ago, Wolford6 said:

    The UK loses 10,000 people every year to the flu. Given that it's primarily a winter infection, we can estimate 500 per week for 20 weeks.

    According to the Daily Mail today, we have lost 240 to Coronavirus in, say, 2 months. That's 30 a week. The UK is, on the face of it, completely over-reacting.

    A lot of what you post is explained by the implication that you read the Daily Mail.

    It's true there's no cure for stupid but stopping reading that would mitigate a lot of your symptoms.

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  4. I think this counts as "bad publicity". Although I have sympathies with anyone in retail trying to survive in what was already a terrible environment you have to take some steps to protect your employees and customers - at the very least appreciate you'll need them later on.

     

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  5. 36 minutes ago, Johnoco said:

    I think part of the problem why people are reluctant to take it as seriously as they should is that we’ve had a few scares that turned out to be not that serious. Bird flu, millennium bug etc etc. So when something genuinely bad comes along, many people (initially me included) roll their eyes and say ‘what another one?’

    When something is mitigated through the actions of scientists and experts and with lots of money being spent it doesn't mean it didn't happen and the threat wasn't real. It means people who were in charge and knew what they were doing applied their minds to it. That's what happened to swine flu, ebola, the millenium bug, the ozone layer - we prevented bad things happening.

    Unfortunately this is a much more slippery enemy, and too many of the world's political leaders are unsuited to the matter at hand.

  6. 11 hours ago, Bedford Roughyed said:

     

     Seriously, this is just not clear enough. The sector I work in is covered as follows:

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    Food and other necessary goods

    This includes those involved in food production, processing, distribution, sale and delivery, as well as those essential to the provision of other key goods (for example hygienic and veterinary medicines).

    Now we're a general retailer but about 25% of our sales are food & drink (no 100% fresh meat/veg stuff but we stock a decent range of essentials (plus loo roll when we can get some)). And in some small towns where we stock the broadest range we're the only store of any note in town.

    We have about 4,000-odd employees but we can't work out if this categorisation should cover them or if it's specifically intended to be big supermarkets only.

  7. 16 minutes ago, redjonn said:

    what annoys me as much as anything is the news.. well some reporters.

    we have the UK Government and expert advisory over last day or two making statements that we are not using herd immunity as part of the plan. Although we expect it to flow through the population such that herd immunity may be a factor. That is it may well happen given numbers of people that will get the virus but its not a deliberate plan but a by-product.

    Yet I read a BBC reporter saying we have different and opposing approaches... UK using herd immunity and xyz country not but restricting movement.

    The plans here include restricting movement, all-be-it timing is considered critical and hence why its coming, maybe sooner than later... that is its part of the plan that we will have similar lock downs and restrictions.  To repeat timing being a factor... but the same restrictions are part of the plan and may well be introduced...... That is quite similar to other country plans but which some countries have already introduced.

    Yet we have the reporter miss reporting, not being specific with his wording... no wonder we have anxiety and doubts spreading across population.

    On the other hand Sky interesting discussion with a Prof Peter Openshaw (Imperial college expert in disease - not sure exactly what).... he also commented it was too early to say if China reductions would remain once they lessen closures and lock downs)... hence hard to use as definitive proof, etc

    Anyway I often hear news reporters or on-site correspondents giving inaccurate or not full and precise communication... this on many issues and of course even more important on this..

    anyway rant over... but wish the news editors would insist that reporters give accurate and precise info,  rather than try and create argumentative interest.

    You're blaming the media for reporting leaks that come from the top of British government - that's where the herd immunity stuff came from. Don't shoot the messenger, it was put out there and now they're trying to get control of the narrative after it came across so badly. They can't or won't or wouldn't be straight with the public and would have been better off saying nothing rather than some trying to get messages across via their preferred medium of the leak.

  8. Just now, The Hallucinating Goose said:

    I can tell you right now 100% my 92yr old grandparents will not voluntarily quarantine themselves. One of them yesterday told me coronavirus was "total ######", this coming from a woman who swears maybe once every 5 years. 

    I hate to say and I mean this generally not specifically to your family but perhaps a culling of the morons from our society would be a sliver of silver lining. Unfortunately you can't target it with such precision and they'll just infect people who do take precautions.

  9. 4 minutes ago, johnmatrix said:

    How many deaths from coronavirus worldwide? 10k? 

    What's the panic? do all the basic things we will be fine all this mass hysteria is crazy. 

    Do you have the first clue as to how China and South Korea got the virus under control? Or are you just a bloviating bar room bore who thinks he knows better about every single subject because experts aren't to be trusted?

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  10. 15 minutes ago, johnmatrix said:

    The media exacerbating everything again3.

    Fit , healthy we will be fine

    Is what they are doing in other countries successful??

    Should we follow the???

    Countries around the world are in lockdown and it's the MEDIA who are exacerbating things.

    Do you even think before you type the same old stuff over and over?

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  11. On 08/03/2020 at 17:21, Hopping Mad said:

    Another update...

    SUPER LEAGUE

    In print: Hull (£3, 48pp), Leeds (£3, 80pp), Warrington (£3, 48pp), Wigan (£3.50)

     

    Quick update - the Leeds programme was 80 pages for the opening double header but has reverted to 64 pages for the subsequent games.

    Interestingly at the Warrington game, adjacent to the programme stand at the Kirkstall Lane entrance were boxes of surplus programmes for both the double header and Hull KR games marked 'FREE' - they were just giving them away rather than pulping or trying to sell them. I picked up a new copy of the double header one as I'd managed to somewhat mangle my original copy.

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  12. 35 minutes ago, Saintslass said:

    Given that the government foresee a time soon when anyone with any respiratory infection or fever of any kind will be asked to self-isolate then that will clear things up!  Just now though there aren't enough cases to make that approach viable.

    If the government foresees a time when that will be necessary they should do it now rather than delay.

    Rather than come out with the absolute bull**** deflection they did about Italy taking populist action.

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