Super league lower divison

[Henson Park Old Firm]

With all the talk about clubs wanting to get into super league. I think its time to create a lower division super league with promotion and relegation into the top tier. You could have the comp televised and it would be good the these lower clubs who want to be promoted

The clubs could all be professional but with a smaller budget, all clubs would have at least 12,000 capacity stadiums (relatively new)

All clubs would have a international quota of only 4 non british or french player.

You could have a maximum of 8 clubs 14 rounds

For example,

Sheffield Eagles

Halifax

Leigh Centurions

Widnes Vikings

Toulouse Olympique

Barrow Raiders (Or a new Cumbrian club)

Paris (New club)

Featherstone Rovers (If they decide to build a new stadium)

[HappyDave]

A dreamer talking about a ficticious Paris team? You are ParisSurtout, I claim my

Edited August 18, 2010 by HappyDave

[nath155]

well this post was pointless

[Matt J]

With all the talk about clubs wanting to get into super league. I think its time to create a lower division super league with promotion and relegation into the top tier. You could have the comp televised and it would be good the these lower clubs who want to be promoted

The clubs could all be professional but with a smaller budget, all clubs would have at least 12,000 capacity stadiums (relatively new)

All clubs would have a international quota of only 4 non british or french player.

You could have a maximum of 8 clubs 14 rounds

For example,

Sheffield Eagles

Halifax

Leigh Centurions

Widnes Vikings

Toulouse Olympique

Barrow Raiders (Or a new Cumbrian club)

Paris (New club)

Featherstone Rovers (If they decide to build a new stadium)

14 games, how would this generate enough for the

[Bulletproof]

A name change to the second tier and everything is sorted apparently.

Except diluting the league further and adding pointless teams will only add to the lower league clubs woes and wont actually solve anything whatsoever.

I think it's time for pie in the sky ridiculous ideas like the above to be put on the back burner and we look long and hard about how to strengthen what we already have instead of unnecessarily gambling with it.

Simply calling the second tier Super League 2 wont change a damn thing and if you stick yet another french team in there and compound the problem with less fixtures you are on a complete disaster.

Are you Richard Lewis?

[1976PMJwires]

well this post was pointless

it's on par with your post yesterday.

PS swap Wakey for Fax

[RP London]

With all the talk about clubs wanting to get into super league. I think its time to create a lower division super league with promotion and relegation into the top tier. You could have the comp televised and it would be good the these lower clubs who want to be promoted

The clubs could all be professional but with a smaller budget, all clubs would have at least 12,000 capacity stadiums (relatively new)

All clubs would have a international quota of only 4 non british or french player.

You could have a maximum of 8 clubs 14 rounds

For example,

Sheffield Eagles

Halifax

Leigh Centurions

Widnes Vikings

Toulouse Olympique

Barrow Raiders (Or a new Cumbrian club)

Paris (New club)

Featherstone Rovers (If they decide to build a new stadium)

so lets change the name of Ch to Super League 2 and everything will be rosey.. the gap on and off the field will disapear, the clubs belwo will have all the money in the world to be fully pro and the tv companies will jump at it paying enough money to fund this..

errr no.

the franchising will over time help to close gaps and get the Ch clubs to a point where P&R can be opened up again or they just keep handing franchises out and conference/split it IMO.. but just changing a name and closing eyes and praying wont work.

without going into the clubs but:

You could have the comp televised:

Championship is already televised on a thursday night.. its unlikely the lower league of rugby league would get much more than this whatever it was called.. the union championship (or whatever it is called) gets less than this and most would assum they would be the first cab off the rank for this.. IMO we are lucky withthe championship coverage.

and it would be good the these lower clubs who want to be promoted:

watch thursday night.

The clubs could all be professional but with a smaller budget

They could now but the reason they are not is that turnover is not high enough.. chicken and egg

all clubs would have at least 12,000 capacity stadiums (relatively new)

Thats the aim of what they are doing now.. but look how hard it is for some super league clubs to get this done at the moment

All clubs would have a international quota of only 4 non british or french player.

why... the quota at the moment is less than that IIRC which means they are helping to develop british/french talent.

You could have a maximum of 8 clubs 14 rounds

14 rounds but you want teams to go fully pro?? how does that work, less income but more expenditure?? bizarre

Sorry but as much as things need to change we changed it 2 years ago and it still needs toime to see how it is working.. 2012-2013 will be a good idea, how are the CHamp teams developing for the next round of liscences, how is the team kicked out of super legaue coping, how are those in super league close to being kicked out doing?? etc we change things far too often in this game at all levels.

[cookey]

Just after St.Helens post an

[Ackroman]

I think there's far too many high and mighty attitudes on this forum. The question asked is a fair question. Give the guy a fair answer. If you can't, don't bother replying.

At the end of the day there's 2 types of SL club, one with a chance one without. If there's a top 8 play off then essentially there's 8 teams with a chance. The rest are obviously not up to the standard set by the top 8.

Therefore it is feasible to create SL 1 and 2 and a top divison of 8 is not so pie in the sky.

Within 1 or 2 posts this thread descended into derision because frankly none of the posters are capable of thinking big picture.

Ok so the practicalities were not thought out in the original post but threads are far more interesting when they develop. If the guy had posted reams of text it would switch me off.

[Maximus Decimus]

It's been mentioned before and isn't necessarily a terrible idea but an unlikely one.

It would have to be much more than a renaming though. It would need to be two divisions of 10 sides with similar level salary caps. They would also need to have similar amounts of TV coverage.

The reality is that the lower division would be seen as a lower division. This would still create the same issues with Quins, Cats and Crusaders, and their relegations would put their existence in doubt.

The threat would be that we would simply be reducing our pool of strong teams again by dropping it 10.

[audois]

At the end of the day there's 2 types of SL club, one with a chance one without. If there's a top 8 play off then essentially there's 8 teams with a chance. The rest are obviously not up to the standard set by the top 8.

Catalans in last place this year finished 8th in 2009 and were 80 minutes from OT. This year Sydney Roosters are real NRL play off contenders yet finished bottom of the pile last season.

Off course forgot to mention Crusaders well bottom in 2009 now contenders for play off place this year.

Edited August 18, 2010 by audois

[marklaspalmas]

It's going to happen one day I assume. It won't happen as the OP suggests for the many reasons pointed out. An 8 team league would be awful.

Better to go for organic growth, and the time (soon I reckon) when 10 teams can be said to have reached a certain standard not too far away fom SL levels, we could say 14SL + 10CC = 24. Two leagues of 12. I'd call them the Premiership & The Championship.

Of the current CC 11 teams, you'd say there's probably 7 sides who are there/getting there at this moment, so it's not too distant a dream.

[Lobbygobbler]

It's going to happen one day I assume. It won't happen as the OP suggests for the many reasons pointed out. An 8 team league would be awful.

Better to go for organic growth, and the time (soon I reckon) when 10 teams can be said to have reached a certain standard not too far away fom SL levels, we could say 14SL + 10CC = 24. Two leagues of 12. I'd call them the Premiership & The Championship.

Of the current CC 11 teams, you'd say there's probably 7 sides who are there/getting there at this moment, so it's not too distant a dream.

Sensible post - Why does the RFL have have a long term roadmap which has this in rather than us all (outside SL) fearing for never having the chance of glory again???

[RP London]

Sensible post - Why does the RFL have have a long term roadmap which has this in rather than us all (outside SL) fearing for never having the chance of glory again???

who says they dont have a long term road map.. ?? they are just going about getting there in a different way.

[marklaspalmas]

who says they dont have a long term road map.. ?? they are just going about getting there in a different way.

[RFL forward planning mode on]Now, where did I put that fag packet?? [RFL forward planning mode off]

[l'angelo mysterioso]

With all the talk about clubs wanting to get into super league. I think its time to create a lower division super league with promotion and relegation into the top tier. You could have the comp televised and it would be good the these lower clubs who want to be promoted

The clubs could all be professional but with a smaller budget, all clubs would have at least 12,000 capacity stadiums (relatively new)

All clubs would have a international quota of only 4 non british or french player.

You could have a maximum of 8 clubs 14 rounds

For example,

Sheffield Eagles

Halifax

Leigh Centurions

Widnes Vikings

Toulouse Olympique

Barrow Raiders (Or a new Cumbrian club)

Paris (New club)

Featherstone Rovers (If they decide to build a new stadium)

do try and keep up

Fetherstone have a modern stadium and are staying there. Plans are in motion to upgrade it further in the near future.

Edited August 18, 2010 by l'angelo mysterioso

[deluded pom?]

I'd sooner see two equal conferences rather than a have and have nots situation. If we have 24 teams (and I'm not suggesting there are) capable of attaining enough brownie points to warrant a SLE place then why should some be more privileged than others off the field of play?

Edited August 18, 2010 by deluded pom?

[bowes]

I think there's far too many high and mighty attitudes on this forum. The question asked is a fair question. Give the guy a fair answer. If you can't, don't bother replying.

It wasn't a fair suggestion though it was awful, especially the 14 fixtures which would kill every club dead within the first season

[marklaspalmas]

I'd sooner see two equal conferences rather than a have and have nots situation. If we have 24 teams (and I'm not suggesting there are) capable of attaining enough brownie points to warrant a SLE place then why should some be more privileged than others off the field of play?

Woah!! 12 teams of one level and 12 of a slightly lower are not 24 equal sides. We're decades away from that.

[deluded pom?]

Woah!! 12 teams of one level and 12 of a slightly lower are not 24 equal sides. We're decades away from that.

Woah! Five teams of one level and nine of a slightly lower are what we have now. And your point is? Read what I posted again and tell me how your reply is relevant please?

[Padge]

Stop re-arranging the deckchairs on the sinking ship.

The game needs all the time and effort available putting into cash generation.

The reason we have An SL of 5 and 9 is not enough cash. The reason P&R has to be regulated is because of not enough cash. The reason we have only one fully pro league is not enough cash.

Instead of pondering how you can #### about with the leagues to get your club into SL, think about how to make your club so cash rich that SL will be begging for them to be in.

[Saint Toppy]

Stop re-arranging the deckchairs on the sinking ship.

The game needs all the time and effort available putting into cash generation.

The reason we have An SL of 5 and 9 is not enough cash. The reason P&R has to be regulated is because of not enough cash. The reason we have only one fully pro league is not enough cash.

Instead of pondering how you can #### about with the leagues to get your club into SL, think about how to make your club so cash rich that SL will be begging for them to be in.

Couldn't have put it better

The only time P&R should be reintroduced is when we have a fully pro 2nd tier with clubs that have turnovers approaching the levels of SL teams along with stadia fit for SL and successful youth teams who can produce their own 1st team quality players.

Without this we just go back to having the yo-yo teams who get promoted, struggle because they dont have enough time to recruit players of SL standard, finish bottom and then get relegated again the next year.

A lot of people slag of the RFL but i'm sure they too would love to see more than 1 fully pro league, its just not that easy to do when your competing for cash with so many other sports, and even more so in times of recession.

[RP London]

two great posts..

Liscencing should cause the following:

Anyone interested to build good facilities so that those clubs belwo super league have facilities that can be used for more than just super league.. they can then increase turnover away from the Rugby League and also they can increase the turnover from Rugby league by havin the better facilities that the fans are crying out for (apparently).

They look to the junior development as vital and start to build the academies that every club needs, as such they then have a better ability to have teams of home grown players.

The new quota system will then help to bring these players through over time.

Costs will be cut with beter stadiums and a good youth policy becuase old delapidated stadiums often have higher renovation costs year on year to keep it standing, the youth policy means you have good young players coming thorugh who can fill the lower places in a squad for cheaper wages that some of hte players who fill them at the moment, we are starting to see this happen in a lot of super league clubs..

as this happens the ability to open up P&R or bring more teams into a conferences super league will increase becuase the gaps will close between the clubs off the field which is key. Then we are to the age old problem of more players needed but hoepfully that is where the academies and any expansion that can happen will kick in..

but we have to let the present system at least try to run its course and see if it is to work.. the present rush for stadiums in both the super league and lower leagues is a good sign that it is causing teams to worry and get the off field set up sorted.. or its bye bye..

[RP London]

two great posts..

Liscencing should cause the following:

Anyone interested to build good facilities so that those clubs belwo super league have facilities that can be used for more than just super league.. they can then increase turnover away from the Rugby League and also they can increase the turnover from Rugby league by havin the better facilities that the fans are crying out for (apparently).

They look to the junior development as vital and start to build the academies that every club needs, as such they then have a better ability to have teams of home grown players.

The new quota system will then help to bring these players through over time.

Costs will be cut with beter stadiums and a good youth policy becuase old delapidated stadiums often have higher renovation costs year on year to keep it standing, the youth policy means you have good young players coming thorugh who can fill the lower places in a squad for cheaper wages that some of hte players who fill them at the moment, we are starting to see this happen in a lot of super league clubs..

as this happens the ability to open up P&R or bring more teams into a conferences super league will increase becuase the gaps will close between the clubs off the field which is key. Then we are to the age old problem of more players needed but hoepfully that is where the academies and any expansion that can happen will kick in..

but we have to let the present system at least try to run its course and see if it is to work.. the present rush for stadiums in both the super league and lower leagues is a good sign that it is causing teams to worry and get the off field set up sorted.. or its bye bye..