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We accepted the SKY contract for Superleague and left the other clubs out in the cold.

We could have made a worse decision and rejected it and all be out in the cold.

That game was in the SL era when the season started December and the GF was July or August

On a side note if exclusion continues the rest need to look at how to compete and moving the season is the first thing I would advocate for survival and creating an alternative product

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That game was in the SL era when the season started December and the GF was July or August

On a side note if exclusion continues the rest need to look at how to compete and moving the season is the first thing I would advocate for survival and creating an alternative product

 

God forbid ! According to the League Express poll, few wanted to watch in winter.

 

And alternative to what ?  We avoid the $uperleague season so that we can clash with soccer ?

 

There's no evidence that this would improve finances for clubs outside $uperleague.

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Why would they hurriedly want to join SL, totally unprepared with a below standard squad.

 

Blimey Terry, all these years when a dozen Rovers fans have constantly told me daily for years they are such a great side that they could compete with the bottom half of SL.

 

I am pleased you have made that admission.

 

Championship clubs cannot attract professional players nor afford to pay them when they are stuck in the championship. You won't build an SL squad without being in it. You could have offered to replace Bradford for 2013 and you'd have got 2014 as well.

 

Rovers seem to want to go for 3x8. Doesn't smack of an ambition to be a big club that, maybe the problem is as I say, all the £Millions they have and the rules don't allow them to spend it....

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That game was in the SL era when the season started December and the GF was July or August

On a side note if exclusion continues the rest need to look at how to compete and moving the season is the first thing I would advocate for survival and creating an alternative product

The old APC did exactly that by moving to a Christmas start and being able to negotiate their own TV deals. It was a resounding failure on both counts and the clubs came back with their tails tucked firmly between their legs.

Few broadcasters / sponsors seem interested in SL, none are interested in tier two and below.

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Given how much money I spend on products you sell, I'd have thought you'd be interested in how much "I can take". He's entitled to his opinion, he's entitled to slag off anyone and everyone. What puzzles me is his desperate need to do so. There are so many ways to make a point beyond - "listen kids while I tell you again how great I was and how rubbish everyone else was and is." It's sad and desperate. You can be a vocal critic of many things, and argue a case without doing so. I'd certainly read Hanley's views on how he was so much better because he genuinely was better, not some re write of history to suggest Schofield was in a different class from the likes of Edwards.

I hope you can handle my opinion.

Not only can I handle your opinion, but I enjoy reading it.

 

The thing about former players who have reached the top is that they are all, with few exceptions, proud of their achievements and with a strong sense of their own self-worth.

 

In that sense the only difference between Schofield and many others is that he writes a column and they don't.

 

And don't forget that Schofield was capped 46 times for Great Britain, which is greater than any other player with the exception of Mick Sullivan.

 

He's surely entitled to think he wasn't a bad player.

 

At least you can't accuse him of false modesty.

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Talking of Mr. Schofield, as someone who can usually take or leave his column, I have to say that this week’s instalment was actually really fascinating. It’s not often you get a genuine insight of someone’s thoughts as the exact moment he was taking on the defensive line of the best teams in the world and the decisions that have to be made in a split second.

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The old APC did exactly that by moving to a Christmas start and being able to negotiate their own TV deals. It was a resounding failure on both counts and the clubs came back with their tails tucked firmly between their legs.

Few broadcasters / sponsors seem interested in SL, none are interested in tier two and below.

A few hypotheticals in my post, but the exclusion scenario must pose a huge threat to lower tier clubs with ambition so do they simply die, do they become feeders and die from within or do they create a new product?

In those options mine would be the latter, but let's hope those choices are not relevant

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Blimey Terry, all these years when a dozen Rovers fans have constantly told me daily for years they are such a great side that they could compete with the bottom half of SL.

 

I am pleased you have made that admission.

 

Championship clubs cannot attract professional players nor afford to pay them when they are stuck in the championship. You won't build an SL squad without being in it. You could have offered to replace Bradford for 2013 and you'd have got 2014 as well.

 

Rovers seem to want to go for 3x8. Doesn't smack of an ambition to be a big club that, maybe the problem is as I say, all the £Millions they have and the rules don't allow them to spend it....

I'm pretty sure Rovers did offer to take the place of one of the several SL basket cases in 2013 if you check back

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A few hypotheticals in my post, but the exclusion scenario must pose a huge threat to lower tier clubs with ambition so do they simply die, do they become feeders and die from within or do they create a new product?

In those options mine would be the latter, but let's hope those choices are not relevant

 

"Creating a new product" doesn't necessarily mean more support.

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Yes, Featherstone Rovers. On the basis that Mark Campbell, Feisal Nahaboo and the two other multi millionaire board members think they can. But perhaps you know better, maybe the aforementioned are just fools eh?

Terry, it's very encouraging to see that Featherstone have some wealthy backers. They should stand you in good stead.

 

Do you know in what form their financial backing is given.

 

Is it by donation, by acquisition of shares, or in loans? If in the latter case, what are the loans secured against?

 

I would be very happy to see you in Super League, while also being on a sound financial footing.

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Now that would have been the actions of a fool. Why would they hurriedly want to join SL, totally unprepared with a below standard squad, when there's relegation for two clubs at the end of this season? Think about it Parky.

Well that's what would happen under the auto prom and reg that you  and others have protesting in the strongest possible terms about . Apparently a lack of it is unfair and unjust

 

Think about it

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Just to take your analogy a bit further:

 

Supermarkets are now investing heavily in Corner Shops (Tesco - One Stop, Sainsbury's - Local etc) and pulling money out of new Supermarkets.

 

Maybe RL needs to do the same to grow?

 

Just a thought.

 

Not so sure

 

The supermarkets saw easier growth in the out of town supermarkets that suited changing habits for groceries.   That helped close down the majority of corner shops.

 

Now the out of town supermarkets is saturated the companies look for other growth markets. That is re-opening the convenience stores, all be it using their huge buying powers to continue to out compete smaller entities.

 

So the analogy could be viewed as - first step is invest and grow only SL teams, whilst accelerating the closure of the weaker non SL clubs, etc, etc  

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creating a new product?  I wonder who owns the IPR in the game and to what extent they can be adapted to a "new product"

 

This really is getting silly now.

I don't think he was saying change the game... it was about changing or adapting the product. I'm assuming he see's the product as including all the wrap around that goes around the game and what your focus is.   For example - be a feeder club and adapt the product wrap around as such as ensure a product that fits that - game still being the same.

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There can't be many ideas or cures that haven't been aired on here now, But the basic problem is still the same.

 

SL needs a lot more money, below SL needs a huge amount, The trick for me is to get more in , rather than jiggle the same amount about.

 

The people who have thought up the new structure believe (and I think they are right) that jiggling it up will be the catalyst for increasing revenues.

 

Time will tell.

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There can't be many ideas or cures that haven't been aired on here now, But the basic problem is still the same.

 

SL needs a lot more money, below SL needs a huge amount, The trick for me is to get more in , rather than jiggle the same amount about.

I'd argue that is a different thread.

 

If people think a new structure will solve all our games money problems, they are as deluded as those who think this will kill the game.

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The people who have thought up the new structure believe (and I think they are right) that jiggling it up will be the catalyst for increasing revenues.

 

Time will tell.

 

I think it will only benefit a very few clubs.

 

As you say all will be revealed in the fullness of time.

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Well that's what would happen under the auto prom and reg that you  and others have protesting in the strongest possible terms about . Apparently a lack of it is unfair and unjust

 

Think about it

I think you may have a good point there.

I'm just wondering if I'll get an answer on the West Lothian......

Sorry "Sheffield" question whereby had we had a play off based on the last three years success of their grand final wins and had they won that play off would we be promoting a club into SL with a poor ground, no money for SL and no record of developing their own local players?

Should standards apply or do we just run the play off idea without them?

I think we should be told??

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