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parksider saying fev should be judged on crowds in the coming weeks when the last I knew we were still in the championship and you can't really compare our crowds to super league

 

You make the assumption the judgement should be Fev's CC crowds against SL crowds. It's a wrong assumption Daz.

 

In general we have been told that the new structure which brings back P & R will excite fans, so I'll be watching for all this excitement in the coming weeks and see if the prospect of relegation pushes up crowds at Wakefield above last years 7,973 or crowds at London go above last years 2,200.

 

Same in CC - will Sheffield Leigh and Halifax beat 928, 1,566 and 1,707 as these clubs strengthen for their promotion charge and look for the prize money to assist them to do so.

 

Terry was looking for Rovers to strengthen crowds which rose from 2,060 in 2012 to 2,403 to another rise this year. So 2,403 is the figure to beat.

 

It's worth noting Widnes went up on 3,744 crowds and achieved 6,046 and 6,015 2012 and 2013. Those are real world figures so Rovers have their work cut out to get their crowds up whether next season or whether on promotion I hope they can achieve.

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Im a bit cofused with all the funding amounts being bandied about at present.Have all the figures been decided and if so for how long?

Also I understand that the SL clubs have just had a one off payment of £300K.Is this correct?

 

No, they're to be ratified next Friday, apparently.

 

Valid until they next change their minds.

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You make the assumption the judgement should be Fev's CC crowds against SL crowds. It's a wrong assumption Daz.

In general we have been told that the new structure which brings back P & R will excite fans, so I'll be watching for all this excitement in the coming weeks and see if the prospect of relegation pushes up crowds at Wakefield above last years 7,973 or crowds at London go above last years 2,200.

Same in CC - will Sheffield Leigh and Halifax beat 928, 1,566 and 1,707 as these clubs strengthen for their promotion charge and look for the prize money to assist them to do so.

Terry was looking for Rovers to strengthen crowds which rose from 2,060 in 2012 to 2,403 to another rise this year. So 2,403 is the figure to beat.

It's worth noting Widnes went up on 3,744 crowds and achieved 6,046 and 6,015 2012 and 2013. Those are real world figures so Rovers have their work cut out to get their crowds up whether next season or whether on promotion I hope they can achieve.

apologies for my assumption, I do think that fevs crowds will rise again this season although I think next year will be a better year when promotion is in force.

Don't expect wakefields to be increasing especially when they are capped at around 5000 due to safety regulations

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apologies for my assumption, I do think that fevs crowds will rise again this season although I think next year will be a better year when promotion is in force.

Don't expect wakefields to be increasing especially when they are capped at around 5000 due to safety regulations

 

or because they are charging proper prices for ST's

 

What Parky fails to grasp is that crowds can be manipulated very easily, eg stupidly cheap recent ST's at Bulls and Wakey springs to mind.

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looking at the press releases over the relegation of 5 teams in the championship leaving 9 teams joining the 2 relegated SL teams,

leaving 11 teams, does this leave the 12 spot for tolouse ?

Isn't there a team promoted from championship 1

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Oh dear, you have Ponte holding your coat again!!

 

Here we go.....

 

Bradford £220

Wakefield £205

Leigh £160

Fev £159

 

Whose "cheap" again???

Two SL teams who have learned the folly of manipulating attendances via cheap season tickets and have now raised them again versus two Championship teams.

Doesn't seem like a fair comparison.

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Two SL teams who have learned the folly of manipulating attendances via cheap season tickets and have now raised them again versus two Championship teams.Doesn't seem like a fair comparison.

Wakefield's were as low as £125 a couple of seasons ago which was a good bit cheaper than Fev's

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Wakefield's were as low as £125 a couple of seasons ago which was a good bit cheaper than Fev's

 

Keep it going Terry 231 pages now.

 

Keep skirting around the problem

 

Not enough fans to run competitive SL clubs at any more than seven or eight clubs.

 

But worry not Mr. K suggests even Doncaster can become SL on 700 fans??

 

Perhaps in light of this cheap/dear season ticket thing maybe the way to get the funds in at Fev is to double the intended season ticket prices once your are in Superleague. At Donny the 700 could be asked to pay 15 times more for tickets so the revenue would equate to 10,500 fans?

 

Craiq has already told us financing at LSV will need only 5,000 fans to compete with the big boys. Money problems over all around the Championship SL wannabees,

 

But what about players? Here's Steve Gill CEO Castleford on the SKY deal.....

 

"There are fewer kids playing Rugby League in our area than ever"

 

He wants to get down to Doncaster where in about 12 years they have produced about one Superleague class professional in Ian Kirke.

 

I know that those who champion small clubs to be big clubs have to have extreme arguments to do so but come on. To try to make out all Donny have to do is raise ticket prices x15 and find 24 more Ian Kirke's is fantasy RL.

 

Which I suppose is a bit of fun. See ya on page 232.

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featherstones season tickets range from £159 to £219, could you clarify how much it is for under 12's at Bradford?

 

Why not look at the Bradford website? What has this got to do with a thread called League Re-structure? No wonder it is 231 pages. Some people on here could start an argument in an empty room.

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Why not look at the Bradford website? What has this got to do with a thread called League Re-structure? No wonder it is 231 pages. Some people on here could start an argument in an empty room.

probably the same as the last 100 pages on this thread nothing. And they are free by the way if you wish to know
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Keep it going Terry 231 pages now.

 

Keep skirting around the problem

 

Not enough fans to run competitive SL clubs at any more than seven or eight clubs.

 

But worry not Mr. K suggests even Doncaster can become SL on 700 fans??

 

Perhaps in light of this cheap/dear season ticket thing maybe the way to get the funds in at Fev is to double the intended season ticket prices once your are in Superleague. At Donny the 700 could be asked to pay 15 times more for tickets so the revenue would equate to 10,500 fans?

 

Craiq has already told us financing at LSV will need only 5,000 fans to compete with the big boys. Money problems over all around the Championship SL wannabees,

 

But what about players? Here's Steve Gill CEO Castleford on the SKY deal.....

 

"There are fewer kids playing Rugby League in our area than ever"

 

He wants to get down to Doncaster where in about 12 years they have produced about one Superleague class professional in Ian Kirke.

 

I know that those who champion small clubs to be big clubs have to have extreme arguments to do so but come on. To try to make out all Donny have to do is raise ticket prices x15 and find 24 more Ian Kirke's is fantasy RL.

 

Which I suppose is a bit of fun. See ya on page 232.

Just making the point that Wakey and Bradford are victims of their own pricing folly and could now suffer the consequences of it under the restructuring. I've actually no idea whether Donny could make it as a SL club or not. If we've only enough fans for seven or eight competitive SL clubs then perhaps the RFL might have discovered a way to attract more interest. Shall we wait and see?

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Keep it going Terry 231 pages now.

 

Keep skirting around the problem

 

Not enough fans to run competitive SL clubs at any more than seven or eight clubs.

 

But worry not Mr. K suggests even Doncaster can become SL on 700 fans??

 

Perhaps in light of this cheap/dear season ticket thing maybe the way to get the funds in at Fev is to double the intended season ticket prices once your are in Superleague. At Donny the 700 could be asked to pay 15 times more for tickets so the revenue would equate to 10,500 fans?

 

Craiq has already told us financing at LSV will need only 5,000 fans to compete with the big boys. Money problems over all around the Championship SL wannabees,

 

But what about players? Here's Steve Gill CEO Castleford on the SKY deal.....

 

"There are fewer kids playing Rugby League in our area than ever"

 

He wants to get down to Doncaster where in about 12 years they have produced about one Superleague class professional in Ian Kirke.

 

I know that those who champion small clubs to be big clubs have to have extreme arguments to do so but come on. To try to make out all Donny have to do is raise ticket prices x15 and find 24 more Ian Kirke's is fantasy RL.

 

Which I suppose is a bit of fun. See ya on page 232.

steve gill's right, but out of last seasons u19s, how many did cas sign on, one. teams aren't prepared to take a chance on these kids now, hence tonks and baldwinson being allowed to leave leeds. i'm glad that john bastian is picking some of these lads up and putting the necessary work into them, cos when we no longer produce our own,it's gonna be cheap imports.

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probably the same as the last 100 pages on this thread nothing. And they are free by the way if you wish to know

 

I think some fans, especially from one club, should just chill out a bit and look forward to the season. They are coming across as having a bit of a chip on their shoulder here and that is not the case for many of the fans at that club. The decision has been made and we have to put up with it. I don't agree with it but it is done. There is a great season to look forward to.

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I think some fans, especially from one club, should just chill out a bit and look forward to the season. They are coming across as having a bit of a chip on their shoulder here and that is not the case for many of the fans at that club. The decision has been made and we have to put up with it. I don't agree with it but it is done. There is a great season to look forward to.

Agreed, although I'm looking forward to next season quite a lot more
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Agreed, although I'm looking forward to next season quite a lot more

 

Me too mate. Believe it or not we are both on the same side, rooting for the same club. Some of the fans just need to reign it in a little or we will get stuck with the chippy tag. The club has changed so much more since the old days.

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To advance our game and our sport and our National team, we need more than what was offered by Wakefield last night.

 

It was not good enough.

 

 

I read the questions over Widnes and the attendance of 5000 plus against London- That was also not good enough , Nor where the excuses about being a small town

 

Inspirational people drive things forward. Like Koukash at Salford, Like McManus at Saints like Davy at Huddersfield and even though im not a fan like Leneghan at Wigan

 London has no inspirational Leader and Nor do several rugby league teams....We are reducing to 12 because we are not strong enough for 14.

 

Our game is fantastic though.....Teams need to step up to the plate- OR be replaced

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It may well become a 12 team SL but with the re-structure to eight clubs with four bottom clubs playing the top four from the Championship it could become effectively an eight team SL.

Those eight clubs could pull away in ability, crowds, players signings and balance sheets from their other SL counterparts. This may make it almost impossible for the others to catch up.

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