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Clearly the game had to do something! Whilst SL has attracted new supporters, it has alienated just as many. With regards to P&R, at least it will generate less meaningful fixtures (and in a 14 team league there are plenty of them). Like it or loathe it, the thought that an Oxford, North Wales or Sheffield could make it into the 'big league' is what hopes, dreams and aspirations are all about.

And thats were SL lost its way....not enough stories. dont be surprised if the top flight now finds a major sponsor.

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Whether you are for or against p and r, everyone should acknowledge the main flaw in the proposals is that it doesnt address the main issues currently faced at SL level, that being lack of sponsorship and investment, someone show me the connection of how this poxy idea will bring monies into the game, if anything it pushes away investment.

A more exciting league structure could intice sponsors to part with their money. The current format isn't working for sponsors as we haven't had a decent offer for the title sponsor since the last engage deal.
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If I was the RFU, I'd look at recruiting the top 6 SL clubs to come into the Aviva Premiership. Surely they would consider switching given the basket-case SL has now become, and the RFU would benefit from a big presence in the north.

SL has essentially committed Hari Kari last night bringing back P&R, so as much as I dislike Union, switching codes is probably the only hope for SL's big clubs.

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If I was the RFU, I'd look at recruiting the top 6 SL clubs to come into the Aviva Premiership. Surely they would consider switching given the basket-case SL has now become, and the RFU would benefit from a big presence in the north.

SL has essentially committed Hari Kari last night bringing back P&R, so as much as I dislike Union, switching codes is probably the only hope for SL's big clubs.

The SL clubs chose this..

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If I was the RFU, I'd look at recruiting the top 6 SL clubs to come into the Aviva Premiership. Surely they would consider switching given the basket-case SL has now become, and the RFU would benefit from a big presence in the north.

SL has essentially committed Hari Kari last night bringing back P&R, so as much as I dislike Union, switching codes is probably the only hope for SL's big clubs.

If they fancy a bit of kick and clap because there's a few more quid in it for them, good luck to them. Not for me I'm afraid, it's like watching paint dry!

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If they fancy a bit of kick and clap because there's a few more quid in it for them, good luck to them. Not for me I'm afraid, it's like watching paint dry!

 

If I was the RFU, I'd look at recruiting the top 6 SL clubs to come into the Aviva Premiership. Surely they would consider switching given the basket-case SL has now become, and the RFU would benefit from a big presence in the north.

SL has essentially committed Hari Kari last night bringing back P&R, so as much as I dislike Union, switching codes is probably the only hope for SL's big clubs.

It's the stupidest, most ridiculous over the top post I've ever read on this board.

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A few melodramatic responses here.

Can anybody genuinely say moving from 12 to 14 has been a success? Personally ive seen next to no benefits from having 14 sl teams.

All they have decided is to cull 2 teams - good decision imho.

This - spot on

Now then, it's a race between Sandie....and Fairburn....and the little man is in........yeees he's in.

I, just like those Castleford supporters felt that the ball should have gone to David Plange but he put the bit betwen his teeth...and it was a try

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Been away from this forum and things are going from bad to worse. My tuppence h'apenny worth:

 

First the Broncos situation has been coming for some time, I suspect as with CKN's post that this decision is simply the last nail in the coffin lid.

 

Secondly, I would remind those "Big Club" fans  celebrating the 12 team league particularily from Warrington and Saints that as any Bradford fan can tell you you do remain at the top forever and at least one of your clubs is more financially challenged than people realise.

 

Thirdly, posting as an ex-TU Steward (So was Norman Tebbit i might add so suspend your disbelief ) I am truly amazed that Jonh Wilkin could be so sanguine in accepting job losses from his members in the two soon to be relegated clubs leaving Super League. Players dropping from full time contracts to part-time - assuming their club survives the drop - will suffer a severe hit to their familes living standards. Not all will find a contract elsewhere. 1eague3 is exposed now as a staff association with a leadership that apparently acts in favour of the haves rather than the have nots. Players would have been better off with the GMB.

 

Fourth point , Toulouse will now not get into Super League. Expansion of the game is indeed dead as organic growth has never and will never work. The money will not be there for who invests in a game played in a few small towns on the M62.

French rugby league will suffer arrested development and Catalans long term future must be in doubt with Wood confirming that the club wil go down to the championship if in a relegation spot. The game appears to have decided that the development of French rugby league as a viable competitor in the Northern Hemisphere is not a strategic priority.

 

Fifth point, Investors will not be attracted to a regional sport thaty is not even Northern in coverage. though I suppose yesterdays decision brings the Payday Loans Super League one stage closer.

 

Sixth point.the remaining 12 clubs will raise the salary cap, partly funded by dividing 14 shares into 12. This will permanently damn Championship clubs to a yo-yo existence and in some cases bankrupcy. Yesterday's decision does not reduce the funding gap between the two leagues but will extend it. To you Flatcappers, as we say down here you will find you have been "done up like a kipper"  

 

Seventh point, As we can already see the remaining 12 "big" clubs will go waving the cheque books down under without realising that while the exchange rate between England and Australia may be temporarily in Australia's favour. The NRL by virtue of being the most popular winter code in the Eastern states and now with a truly independent commission will be able to command a TV deal that will permanently alter the balance of purchasing power in the NRL's favour regardless of how much the exchange rate fluctuates back to the UK in the future.

 

Eighth point, within 3 years Super League clubs will go cap in hand to the NRL for assistance. but what would be in it for th NRL ?. I am sure that Gus Gould will be making the point that with the best English players in the NRL already. the only future relationship between the NRL and a regional sport will be not as equals but similar to that of teams in the Queensland Cup. A feeder league where the best juniors can join an NRL side and juniors in need of game time can play Super League.

 

Ninth point, Some clubs have already opened back chanels of communication with Premiership Rugby (Union). Again as with the NRL. As Super League continues to contract what is in it for the Union clubs to associate with a decaying sport. After all "organic growth" will ensure that Juniors join Union ranks equipped with a better skill set while younger players and coaches from "traditional" clubs are already losing no time in crossing the divide. 

 

Tenth and most crucial point is that SKY do appear to be losing interest in League as a property with Monday night games moved for lower division soccer and a T20 league set for Friday nights next summer. Coupled with no World Cup coverage . I think you can look forward to games played on any day with a "y" in it from 2015 and with SKY subscfriptions already being raised to help the company build up its war chest to compete for the major sporting properties with the cashed up BT (i.e. exclusive rights to the major national sports in the UK) it is now known that many other sports will have a reduced deal to compensate. Of course the regional league could go to Premier Sports but that would mean a subscription channel offering no more than a reduced SKY deal with a lower subscriber base. That is of course if Premier Sports are around in 2015. The next SKY offer will be lower and on a take it or leave it basis.

 

As for the recession having been to plenty of sold out T20 games recently and noting this was achieved for the Roses Derby in the North all I will say is that other sports must be "recession proof" and this is a lame excuse for low crowds

 

I was one of the first to post that the game was turning into a feeder league for the NRL and RFU a few years ago. It would appear that by its own hand the game appears resolutely determined to go down the gurgler and things are speeding up. Its a shame but the games problems are entrely self-inflicted.and the result of clubs acting in their own interest without thinking that a strategic investment in the games future would benefit all.

 

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If I was the RFU, I'd look at recruiting the top 6 SL clubs to come into the Aviva Premiership. Surely they would consider switching given the basket-case SL has now become, and the RFU would benefit from a big presence in the north.

SL has essentially committed Hari Kari last night bringing back P&R, so as much as I dislike Union, switching codes is probably the only hope for SL's big clubs.

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The fact that they are reverting to 12 teams tells me more than enough about the ambition of the clubs and hence the British game. And I aren't sure I want to be part of it.

You could say its actually expanding up to as many as 24 teams John if extra funding is available which seems likely. Some teams in the initial second tier will go full time therefore driving standards up and providing stiff competition for the lower end SL clubs when the play offs come around.

At least relegated teams will have a soft landing and a good opportunity to bounce back without boom and bust, as some people fear. I think it will be a really exciting, all year round competition, for all clubs if they go for the RFL's favoured option 3

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Been away from this forum and things are going from bad to worse. My tuppence h'apenny worth:

 

First the Broncos situation has been coming for some time, I suspect as with CKN's post that this decision is simply the last nail in the coffin lid.

 

Secondly, I would remind those "Big Club" fans  celebrating the 12 team league particularily from Warrington and Saints that as any Bradford fan can tell you you do remain at the top forever and at least one of your clubs is more financially challenged than people realise.

 

Thirdly, posting as an ex-TU Steward (So was Norman Tebbit i might add so suspend your disbelief ) I am truly amazed that Jonh Wilkin could be so sanguine in accepting job losses from his members in the two soon to be relegated clubs leaving Super League. Players dropping from full time contracts to part-time - assuming their club survives the drop - will suffer a severe hit to their familes living standards. Not all will find a contract elsewhere. 1eague3 is exposed now as a staff association with a leadership that apparently acts in favour of the haves rather than the have nots. Players would have been better off with the GMB.

 

Fourth point , Toulouse will now not get into Super League. Expansion of the game is indeed dead as organic growth has never and will never work. The money will not be there for who invests in a game played in a few small towns on the M62.

French rugby league will suffer arrested development and Catalans long term future must be in doubt with Wood confirming that the club wil go down to the championship if in a relegation spot. The game appears to have decided that the development of French rugby league as a viable competitor in the Northern Hemisphere is not a strategic priority.

 

Fifth point, Investors will not be attracted to a regional sport thaty is not even Northern in coverage. though I suppose yesterdays decision brings the Payday Loans Super League one stage closer.

 

Sixth point.the remaining 12 clubs will raise the salary cap, partly funded by dividing 14 shares into 12. This will permanently damn Championship clubs to a yo-yo existence and in some cases bankrupcy. Yesterday's decision does not reduce the funding gap between the two leagues but will extend it. To you Flatcappers, as we say down here you will find you have been "done up like a kipper"  

 

Seventh point, As we can already see the remaining 12 "big" clubs will go waving the cheque books down under without realising that while the exchange rate between England and Australia may be temporarily in Australia's favour. The NRL by virtue of being the most popular winter code in the Eastern states and now with a truly independent commission will be able to command a TV deal that will permanently alter the balance of purchasing power in the NRL's favour regardless of how much the exchange rate fluctuates back to the UK in the future.

 

Eighth point, within 3 years Super League clubs will go cap in hand to the NRL for assistance. but what would be in it for th NRL ?. I am sure that Gus Gould will be making the point that with the best English players in the NRL already. the only future relationship between the NRL and a regional sport will be not as equals but similar to that of teams in the Queensland Cup. A feeder league where the best juniors can join an NRL side and juniors in need of game time can play Super League.

 

Ninth point, Some clubs have already opened back chanels of communication with Premiership Rugby (Union). Again as with the NRL. As Super League continues to contract what is in it for the Union clubs to associate with a decaying sport. After all "organic growth" will ensure that Juniors join Union ranks equipped with a better skill set while younger players and coaches from "traditional" clubs are already losing no time in crossing the divide. 

 

Tenth and most crucial point is that SKY do appear to be losing interest in League as a property with Monday night games moved for lower division soccer and a T20 league set for Friday nights next summer. Coupled with no World Cup coverage . I think you can look forward to games played on any day with a "y" in it from 2015 and with SKY subscfriptions already being raised to help the company build up its war chest to compete for the major sporting properties with the cashed up BT (i.e. exclusive rights to the major national sports in the UK) it is now known that many other sports will have a reduced deal to compensate. Of course the regional league could go to Premier Sports but that would mean a subscription channel offering no more than a reduced SKY deal with a lower subscriber base. That is of course if Premier Sports are around in 2015. The next SKY offer will be lower and on a take it or leave it basis.

 

As for the recession having been to plenty of sold out T20 games recently and noting this was achieved for the Roses Derby in the North all I will say is that other sports must be "recession proof" and this is a lame excuse for low crowds

 

I was one of the first to post that the game was turning into a feeder league for the NRL and RFU a few years ago. It would appear that by its own hand the game appears resolutely determined to go down the gurgler and things are speeding up. Its a shame but the games problems are entrely self-inflicted.and the result of clubs acting in their own interest without thinking that a strategic investment in the games future would benefit all.

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Haven't the RFL confirmed London and Catalans are exempt?

So there will be a mad scramble to avoid the bottom two slots next season, who will fill them?

Barring financial collapse of a current top 8 club it's a race between Cas, Salford and Wakey

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I don't think there's anything melodramatic about it mate. It's not merely cutting cloth to suit.

To me its pretty much admitting that RL will never amount to much beyond a few small towns. If that's the reality of the situation, then so be it. But it doesn't stop it from being depressing and sad imo.

not really, it depends where they go from here.

RU the bigger sport has a 12 team league with no issues.

We have too many week teams - with hindsight moving to 14 when we did was badly thought out and badly timed.

Bringing Catalan into the league added plenty, expanding the league for two poor clubs in Celtic and Salford detracted from SL.

The next vote makes me nervous, but down to 12 is probably right for me.

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The future strength of rugby league being decided by what'll be exciting for clubs 9-15 in the pyramid.

 

I remain to be convinced.

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