Playing season debate thread (many merged threads)

[TaxiEgg]

Doomed Mr Mannering we are all doomed .

[Back In The Good Old Days]

If the NCL is ran by the club's why was Trevor hunts rhetoric so dictatorial?

If the NCL is ran by the club's why where those whom originally voted against the summer switch informed by NCL officials to re consider or be left behind.

Doesn't sound like a democratic process or a democratic organisation at all.

If the NCL clubs have been allowed to have an honest and open debate about the playing season and at the end of it a simple yes / no vote would that not be true democracy?

By the way this is what they where originally promised.

[henage]

If the NCL is ran by the club's why was Trevor hunts rhetoric so dictatorial?

If the NCL is ran by the club's why where those whom originally voted against the summer switch informed by NCL officials to re consider or be left behind.

Doesn't sound like a democratic process or a democratic organisation at all.

If the NCL clubs have been allowed to have an honest and open debate about the playing season and at the end of it a simple yes / no vote would that not be true democracy?

By the way this is what they where originally promised.

If clubs dont want to play in the NCL summer comp , wont they just move to another league/comp . (hopefully at the end of the season)

[once a ref always a ref]

It is only a democratic process if the clubs have the bottle to ignore threats and scare tactics and take on 'the management'.

[henage]

It is only a democratic process if the clubs have the bottle to ignore threats and scare tactics and take on 'the management'.

What type of threats , if management wont/cant work with clubs they could/should play in another league .

[Back In The Good Old Days]

There needs to be a viable alternative and at this time there just doesn't appear to be one.

certaimly not in the north west, perhaps the penine league could be an option for the Yorkshire and Oldham based clubs.

[montypark]

Champions Wigan St Cuthbert's will defend The NWC   Winter League Championship,What other Teams are entering? 

[montypark]

After speaking to the Majority of the Wigan Teams who think the Summer Rugby experiment for the Wigan Teams as been a Disaster,I cant believe that Clubs are gambling their very existence on another 3 years of Summer Rugby,With a little tweak here and their,What a joke,The National Cup Semi Final with West Hull with 1500 people on,Or A Ken Gee Cup Final with a similar number on,Swelling the Coffers of the Local Clubs,Did that really happen?

My memories fading,Are Clubs going to give in that easy,The threat of Funding Cut,About £800,Big deal,What made Amateur Rugby League great for me was the Local Rivalry,Derby Games,The Banter between the spectators,The Hindley man as given 101 legitimate  reasons why it does not work,The RFL dont want to listen,Give the Clubs a Yes no vote on Winter Summer,The majority are saying the game is on its backside,Fact.

[Back In The Good Old Days]

Without being given a viable alternative choice what option do these clubs have.

I've said it before and I'm gonna repeat it again

Get off your knees and start kicking back

Against this tyranny of a ###### poor committee that's just intent of rolling over to the RFL cause they have been bought off.

Rise up off your knees n do the right thing and fight for your futures and that of your clubs.

Roll over and kiss your future goodbye.

[Historical value]

This is what I've being saying for ages monty, the games gone sterile, nat conf, so boring, crowds quiet, same old , same old styles, open age rip, a topic I started a year ago, or so. It was correct then, and it's being proved more and more as time, goes by.

[shun]

There needs to be a viable alternative and at this time there just doesn't appear to be one.

certaimly not in the north west, perhaps the penine league could be an option for the Yorkshire and Oldham based clubs.

dont know if this has been said, but Dalton arlfc have applied to play in the pennine league this season.

 

 http://www.nwcl-win.org/article/12158/nw-counties-winter-season-2014-15

 

 

will be a hell of a lot of travel if they get accepted but i like there determination. 

[shawy13]

dont know if this has been said, but Dalton arlfc have applied to play in the pennine league this season.

http://www.nwcl-win.org/article/12158/nw-counties-winter-season-2014-15

will be a hell of a lot of travel if they get accepted but i like there determination.

They have been accepted into division 1 (4th tier)

http://www.pennineleague.co.uk/story.php?basket=3&story=360

[shun]

They have been accepted into division 1 (4th tier)

http://www.pennineleague.co.uk/story.php?basket=3&story=360

good news that., gona be playing some class team in there, i will be going to watch a few games any ways.

[Marauder]

Without being given a viable alternative choice what option do these clubs have.

I've said it before and I'm gonna repeat it again

Get off your knees and start kicking back

Against this tyranny of a ###### poor committee that's just intent of rolling over to the RFL cause they have been bought off.

Rise up off your knees n do the right thing and fight for your futures and that of your clubs.

Roll over and kiss your future goodbye.

It's obvious that clubs want to be part of the NCL, It's also obvious that the NCL leadership aren't going to give a viable alternative then a yes no vote, these wonderful guys leading the NCL aren't about amateur rugby league anymore if all the rumblings are true.

 

 At the moment I'm trying to work out what is really in it for the NCL management from the RFL, I wouldn't think it was a financial reward but maybe a nice shiny gong from the Queen would look nice on the heading paper.

[TaxiEgg]

David Lowe is a paid employee ( RFL funded )

Chair and president on the community board may begin to give you the answers you are looking for Jim ?

[Historical value]

I can think of a lot, of volunteers, who should have got gongs. The ones that keep clubs going, finance them, keep kids on the strait and narrow. But it seems the ones that get paid, to do. The job, are awarded. Seems wrong to me.

[Marauder]

David Lowe is a paid employee ( RFL funded )

Chair and president on the community board may begin to give you the answers you are looking for Jim ?

"Arrrr yes" but wasn't he (SUPPOSIDLY) Only there as a none decision making administrator

[Marauder]

I can think of a lot, of volunteers, who should have got gongs. The ones that keep clubs going, finance them, keep kids on the strait and narrow. But it seems the ones that get paid, to do. The job, are awarded. Seems wrong to me.

The people who nominate are ####### in the same pot

[LordCharles]

Promises, promises from the archives...............but the RFL still have not delivered and given the current circumstances its looking less likely that they will...........................

 

The Board of Sport England has reduced the funding available to the Rugby Football League (RFL) and the England Golf Partnership (EGP) in the light of disappointing participation figures shown in the Active People Survey.

 

The RFL has agreed to accept a reduction of £956,188 alongside a renegotiated participation goal, having recognised that it will not achieve the growth in regular and sustained participation commissioned through Sport England’s 2009 – 2013 investment. The EGP has agreed to a reduction of £107,023, again with a renegotiated participation goal.

 

Sport England’s Chief Executive, Jennie Price, said: “The decisions announced today follow lengthy discussions with each of the governing bodies.”

 

Speaking about the RFL, she added:

 

“We welcome the approach of the leadership team at the RFL to the review of funding levels. The governing body has recognised the need to change the approach to grassroots delivery if genuine growth in regular, sustained participation is to be achieved.

 

“The RFL’s bold decision to create a competition framework for the community game based on the summer will deliver both better integration of competition structures and a greater flexibility for those wishing to participate at all levels of the game. Our discussions with the RFL have given us confidence that the very significant investment we are still making in rugby league will deliver value for money.”

 

In addition to the creation of a summer based competition framework, the RFL plans to build on the successful work it has begun in expanding touch rugby. Steps are also being taken to mitigate the impact of youth recruitment by professional clubs through a new duel registration between both community and professional clubs.

 

The EGP has responded to the decline in golf participation by developing a clear plan to grow the game that puts the grassroots players – and potential participants – first. It has recognised the need to invest more in creating the right kind of opportunities to play golf around the country, and, using market segmentation, will pilot a social golf product initially aimed at younger males over the summer. The project will be expanded to other target groups later.

 

Further investment will also be made in the County Golf Partnership structure, allowing the EGP to deliver a single message for golf, and target those counties where they believe there is the greatest capacity to increase golf participation.

 

Jennie Price said:

 

“We welcome the increased priority now being given by the England Golf Partnership to increasing participation among those aged 16 and over. The governing body has done good work in bringing children into the game, and has now committed to bringing the same focus to its work with the adult game.

 

“We will continue to support the EGP as it invests in the future of the sport, and have confidence that our investment will deliver results.”

The EGP’s Chief Operating Officer, Roger Moreland, said:

 

“Golf is proving ever more popular in schools and we have seen this level of interest sustained through increased participation in the 16 to 24 age group. We have developed a clear plan to encourage more adults to play the game and we look forward to bringing this to fruition with the continued support of Sport England.

 

Notes to Editors

 

A comprehensive performance management system has been developed to ensure that Sport England’s investments in national governing bodies of sport (NGBs) is well-managed, delivering results and that NGBs are held to account for responsible use of the funds.

 

For more information, please contact the press office: Peter Dickinson on 020 7273 1800.

 

RFL

 

The RFL’s maximum funding award for 2009 – 2013 was £29,408,341. As a result of Sport England’s decision and the reductions to Sport England’s Exchequer funding in the Comprehensive Spending Review, the RFL’s award for the period now stands at £27,563,684.

 

Sport England’s Active People Survey shows that the number of adults playing rugby league at least once a week has declined from 82,000 at the start of this funding period to 44,000 at the latest update.

 

EGP

 

The EGP’s maximum funding award for 2009 – 2013 was £12,851,500. As a result of Sport England’s decision and the reductions to Sport England’s Exchequer funding in the Comprehensive Spending Review, the total Sport England investment for the period will be £12,538,477.

 

Sport England’s Active People Survey shows that the number of adults playing golf at least once a week has declined from 948,300 at the start of this funding period to 852,100 at the latest update.

[LordCharles]

But don't worry its all under control...............................

 

December 2013

 

The growing appeal of Rugby League is highlighted in the latest Active People figures published by Sport England which show a healthy increase in the number of people playing the sport.

Between October 2012 and October 2013, the number of people who play Rugby League at least once a week rose from 48,600 to 53,500.

Rugby League is the only team sport to register an increase across the 12-month period,

RFL Director of Participation and Strategic Partnerships David Gent said: “It’s great to see that, on the back of a fantastic Rugby League World Cup 2013 and the Festivals of World Cups , the popularity of the sport is continuing to grow.

“Not only did we meet the targets set by Sport England, we exceeded them and I am confident that that trend will continue as we build on the legacy of RLWC2013 and the Festivals of World Cups.

“A number of factors conspired against us in the 12-month period, not least some really bad weather earlier this year, but in spite of all that we have been able to keep numbers growing.

“I would like to thank the clubs, league and organisations who have worked so hard by committing to playing in a summer season: we are continuing to see the fruits of all their efforts.

“These figures can only inspire the Government’s confidence that Rugby League is a sport which is thriving.”

The RFL expects the number of participants to increase still further over the next 12 months, aided by a number of initiatives linked to RLWC2013, including Play Touch Rugby League.

Between 2012 and 2013, the number of registered community club participants increased by 4,903 whilst fixture completion rates across Tiers 3 and 4 competitions for the March to October season were over 80 per cent.

[LordCharles]

Then again maybe it is'nt!!!!!!

 

 

Taken from the Community Board minutes of July 2014..........................

 

4.0

COMMUNITY GAME STRATEGY

4.1

4.2

 

The meeting considered the following within the report and the Community Board members were asked to note:

 

 The June 2014 Active People result and that the RFL Executives continue with the existing agreed plans to increase the numbers on Active People.

 

 The outcomes of the Sport England first six months review of 2014 and that RFL Executives implement the necessary improvements to be made within the identified timescales.

 

 The progress against the agreed targets contained within the Community Game Scorecard 2014.

 

 The work of the RFL Executives at present to ensure continued government funding into Rugby League and into the future.

 

Active People Result

 

The Board noted that the Active People Survey (APS) results for June 2014 had recently been released and is 45,900.

 

The Active People measure remains the key performance indicator in the RFL’s contract with Sport England. It is however, very disappointing to see a decrease (down from 53,500).

 

The RFL met with Sport England in April to forecast the June result, based on RFL management data and Sport England insight. The RFL forecasted that the APS rate for April 2013 to April 2014 (mid-year reading) would fall somewhere between 53,000 to 58,000 and Sport England estimated it would either fall by 500 or rise by up to 4,500. The prediction took into consideration; playing numbers, regularity data and fixture completion information across Community clubs, education and Play Touch Rugby League. It also considered wider participation influencers such as the weather during the period. All this pointed towards either no significant change (from 53,500) or a slight increase.

 

The RFL Year 2 target is 56,100 and will cover the period October 2013 to October 2014 which will be released in December 2014. The result just released means that Sport England has now classed Rugby League as “at risk” of not achieving its Year 2 target although it is supportive of its methodology.

 

The Board noted the outcome of the Active People result and that the RFL Executives are to continue with the existing plans to increase the numbers on Active People.

 

Six monthly Review Meeting with Sport England

 

Every six months the RFL has to meet with Sport England to review the progress being made to encourage more people to play Rugby League. At the most recent meeting, they particularly noted the excellent progress made on Play Touch Rugby League as well as a significantly improved offer for those at Colleges and Universities. They also noted considerable improvements in areas which had previously been perceived as ‘weak’; such as local area planning and the club offer, which hopefully will now lead to increases in participation. The targets on satellite clubs had been exceeded.

 

Overall, they recognised the considerable efforts undertaken by the volunteers and paid staff to develop the sport and still believe the RFL plan is the best positioned to increase the numbers of people playing Rugby League.

 

Sport England were also reassured on the progress made in the talent area as all agreed targets had been achieved. They noted the ongoing debate with the RFL on the Player Production and Youth Development System and the direction proposed was felt to be very much in line with what Sport England wanted to see in the area of talent development.

 

Four areas were agreed for organisational improvement over the next 6-12 months.

 

 Put people first. The RFL should continue to invest time, energy and resources into improving the skills, knowledge and understanding of RFL staff and volunteers to make them better at their job. A high performing workforce is crucial to the successful delivery of the plan.

 

 Apply insight. The RFL should analyse the findings of Stage 1 of the Let’s Talk Rugby League campaign to refresh existing insight into the sport and apply the new knowledge to develop existing offers. The insight will also inform the journey to embed a participant centred approach across the Rugby League network.

 

 Focus on customer experience. Review how “place” and “people” influence a participants’ experience of the sport.

 

 Continuous improvement. Utilise the HPNGB model as a self-improvement tool.

 

The Board noted the outcomes of the Sport England review and supported the RFL Executives to implement the necessary improvements within the identified timescales.

[Mr Smeaton]

It's amazing how figures can be manipulated, how many clubs have players signed on and haven't been seen for ages. Just look at the number of walk-overs each week.

[mr chairman]

The Rfl have been manipulating figures in exchange for cash for years , it's called bullshiting sport England

[Bedford Roughyed]

And how do the RFL manipulate the Active Person survey?

[Back In The Good Old Days]

Very easy

Start a masters team

Get 30-40 players to "sign on"

Only half a dozen training

Not yet to play a game.

That's 30-40 players on "the active playing register"

The easiest thing in the world to manipulate is statistics.