back to the future Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Surprised this has'nt been discussed(if it has then i apologise) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
getdownmonkeyman Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Unrepentant, therefore unreformed. Does not deserve any benefits from society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Sponsors are leaving SUFC in droves and Jessica Ennis has asked that they no longer nMe their stand after her. "Freedom without socialism is privilege and injustice, socialism without freedom is slavery and brutality" - Mikhail Bakunin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-30022080 Wide ranging piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolford6 Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 He stands a fair chance of having his verdict overturned because here were so many anomalies. Either way, he's done his time and should be allowed to resume his career. Other players have come back after being guilty of killing someone by dangerous driving. Under Scrutiny by the Right-On Thought Police Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry the Leit Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 The Criminal Justice system gave him time, it's now served. However distasteful his offence, he should be allowed to be rehabilitated and that means being free to be gainfully employed. It's a mark of a civilised society that we rehabilitate offenders and accept the rulings of the court. He's not obliged to admit the offence, he doesn't need to. He's been found guilty. The superficial moral outrage that he hasn't is inappropriate. The Unicorn is not a Goose, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawy13 Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 This is far from clear cut. If he was granted the right to appeal his conviction then I think the verdict would be very different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 I disagree as a convicted sex offender he can't, for example interact with any youth players or junior supporters. If I'd served a sentence in jail I wouldn't be able to walk back into my job. Some contrition wouldn't go amiss but there you go, a young poorly educated lad earning £5k plus a week he's ok isn't he? "Freedom without socialism is privilege and injustice, socialism without freedom is slavery and brutality" - Mikhail Bakunin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
my missus Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 lets see what happens after his appeal. Through the fish-eyed lens of tear stained eyes I can barely define the shape of this moment in time(roger waters) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawy13 Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 I thought he was refused the right to appeal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futtocks Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 The Criminal Justice system gave him time, it's now served. However distasteful his offence, he should be allowed to be rehabilitated and that means being free to be gainfully employed. It's a mark of a civilised society that we rehabilitate offenders and accept the rulings of the court. He's not obliged to admit the offence, he doesn't need to. He's been found guilty. The superficial moral outrage that he hasn't is inappropriate. What makes it awkward to accept on an emotional level is that he's going back to a job that's so well-rewarded. If he'd been a shelf-stacker, an office junior or similar, it'd be easier to say that he'd done his time and should be allowed to rebuild his life. Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted. Ralph Waldo Emerson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckn Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 He hasn't done his time. He is undergoing a 5 year jail sentence and was let out on license. Until that license expires he's still a serving criminal. Also, that 5 year sentence means he can never treat it as "spent" as that's the cut off point, it's always a relevant conviction now. "When in deadly danger, when beset by doubt; run in little circles, wave your arms and shout" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Evans Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 The Criminal Justice system gave him time, it's now served. However distasteful his offence, he should be allowed to be rehabilitated and that means being free to be gainfully employed. It's a mark of a civilised society that we rehabilitate offenders and accept the rulings of the court. He's not obliged to admit the offence, he doesn't need to. He's been found guilty. The superficial moral outrage that he hasn't is inappropriate. I am largely in agreement with this notwithstanding the issue over his licenced release. However, given his abhorrent crime, I would suggest we are in a minority. His case is being reviewed. Though being found guilty he's never acknowledged his guilt. The case review could get interesting. "I love our club, absolutely love it". (Overton, M 2007) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hindle xiii Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 I think he should move on, away from football for himself, for the club, for the animosity from the terraces, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolford6 Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 I think people should read his website before jumping on the bandwagon. Under Scrutiny by the Right-On Thought Police Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guess who Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 I think people should read his website before jumping on the bandwagon. Why, what will it prove? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l'angelo mysterioso Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 The Criminal Justice system gave him time, it's now served. However distasteful his offence, he should be allowed to be rehabilitated and that means being free to be gainfully employed. It's a mark of a civilised society that we rehabilitate offenders and accept the rulings of the court. He's not obliged to admit the offence, he doesn't need to. He's been found guilty. The superficial moral outrage that he hasn't is inappropriate. the thing is Larry a conviction for certain offences precludes you from certain jobs and profession. Would you like your children to be taught by a convicted rapist? Evans can't even begin to be rehabilitated until he begins to understand what he actually did, and the impact on his victim. This doesn't even seem to be on his agenda. He doesn't seem to deny what happened but doesn't consider what he did was in any way wrong let alone rape. Sports stars aren't plumbers or roofers, or farmers or whatever. They have a role and status in the communities that their club represents and that includes working with young people and for that Evans would have to be police check. He fall at the first hurdle with that. WELCOME TO THE ROYSTON VASEY SUPER LEAGUE 2015 Keeping it local Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l'angelo mysterioso Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 I am largely in agreement with this notwithstanding the issue over his licenced release. However, given his abhorrent crime, I would suggest we are in a minority. His case is being reviewed. Though being found guilty he's never acknowledged his guilt. The case review could get interesting. if he was a rugby league player, would you make him welcome at your club? WELCOME TO THE ROYSTON VASEY SUPER LEAGUE 2015 Keeping it local Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guess who Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 if he was a rugby league player, would you make him welcome at your club? If it was a rugby player and he was made welcome at my club. I wouldnt go watch them any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l'angelo mysterioso Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 He hasn't done his time. He is undergoing a 5 year jail sentence and was let out on license. Until that license expires he's still a serving criminal. Also, that 5 year sentence means he can never treat it as "spent" as that's the cut off point, it's always a relevant conviction now. seconded WELCOME TO THE ROYSTON VASEY SUPER LEAGUE 2015 Keeping it local Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry the Leit Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 He hasn't done his time. He is undergoing a 5 year jail sentence and was let out on license. Until that license expires he's still a serving criminal. Also, that 5 year sentence means he can never treat it as "spent" as that's the cut off point, it's always a relevant conviction now. Well that's a fair point. He's still serving his sentence. If his licence says he can work, then let him work. I do not see why he cannot go "back to work". It may be distasteful to many that he may go on to earn significant sums of money in the job that he is qualified to do, but that's just how it is. @ Frank, of course I would not like a convicted rapist teaching my kids, but that's irrelevant as there are structures in place to prevent sex offenders holding positions like that. There are not laws preventing convicted sex offenders from kicking a bag of air about on a football field. His crime was disgusting. His sentence was five years, and not a life sentence. So many people seem to be bleating on that he needs to accept that he's guilty, whilst simultaneously refusing to accept that his sentence was not for life. My guess is that as soon as circumstances allow, he'll be playing football abroad, and this will be no loss to British society. The Unicorn is not a Goose, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l'angelo mysterioso Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 Well that's a fair point. He's still serving his sentence. If his licence says he can work, then let him work. However I do not see why he cannot go "back to work". It may be distasteful to many that he may go on to earn significant sums of money in the job that he is qualified to do, but that's just how it is. @ Frank, of course I would not like a convicted rapist teaching my kids, but that's irrelevant as there are structures in place to prevent sex offenders holding positions like that. There are not laws preventing convicted sex offenders from kicking a bag of air about on a football field. His crime was disgusting. His sentence was five years, and not a life sentence. So many people seem to be bleating on that he needs to accept that he's guilty, whilst simultaneously refusing to accept that his sentence was not for life. My guess is that as soon as circumstances allow, he'll be playing football abroad, and this will be no loss to British society. these days professional footballers don't just kick a bag of air about on a football field, they do much more than that and that is why I used the analogy: this is my point. Also in purely commercial terms Evans is poison. WELCOME TO THE ROYSTON VASEY SUPER LEAGUE 2015 Keeping it local Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry the Leit Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 these days professional footballers don't just kick a bag of air about on a football field, they do much more than that and that is why I used the analogy: this is my point. Also in purely commercial terms Evans is poison. I agree, he's commercial poison. That's a very different issue to whether he should be allowed to be employed. I suspect he'll be playing abroad as soon as his licence allows. The Unicorn is not a Goose, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l'angelo mysterioso Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 I agree, he's commercial poison. That's a very different issue to whether he should be allowed to be employed. I suspect he'll be playing abroad as soon as his licence allows. I know it's different. I agree with you about the outcome of this. WELCOME TO THE ROYSTON VASEY SUPER LEAGUE 2015 Keeping it local Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiny Tim Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 He stands a fair chance of having his verdict overturned because here were so many anomalies. This is the bit that is unclear to me, why is this being re-examined after he is released, surely if there was reasonable doubt (or whatever the legal terminology might be) this should have been reviewed shortly after he was convicted? What is also interesting is the focus on how much he might earn once he is released. Some seem to feel it might be more acceptable if he were earning minimum wage but because he might be earning many times the national average wage he is vilified. He clearly has a talent for playing soccer and if a club wants to employ him to do that then I would support this and suggest that this be part of his rehabilitation. Forcing him to stay away from soccer, presumably because of the high salary and high profile, to me seems to be just an attempt to continue his punishment indefinitely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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