Phil Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 My view is that: - the verdict stands until proved otherwise or found unsafe. That's the law. - he's allowed to earn any gainful employment that isn't specifically excluded under the terms of his sentence or his parole. That's the law. In a different context, this organised furore about Ched reminds me of the similar organised furore about The Satanic Verses. Most of those protestors hadn't read Salman Rushdie's book and I think that most of those people currently objecting to Ched playing football again haven't read his webpage. What would your view be if Evans was a Muslim? Rhetorical question by the way "Freedom without socialism is privilege and injustice, socialism without freedom is slavery and brutality" - Mikhail Bakunin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolford6 Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 My view is excactly the same as it would be for anyone who had faced those circumstances in that case, Her's someone of the same opinion. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/sheffield-united/11237288/Ched-Evans-compared-to-Guildford-Four-and-Birmingham-Six-by-Irish-PFA.html Under Scrutiny by the Right-On Thought Police Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stimpo-and-kat Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 My view is excactly the same as it would be for anyone who had faced those circumstances in that case, Her's someone of the same opinion. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/sheffield-united/11237288/Ched-Evans-compared-to-Guildford-Four-and-Birmingham-Six-by-Irish-PFA.html Id expect any players union to be supportive of a player. Its hardly an unbiased view. Nobody has suggested that he shouldn't be allowed to return to football, its understandable that fans, sponsors and officials dont want him at their club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Evans Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Nobody has suggested that he shouldn't be allowed to return to football Well that's not the only issue here.... BUT.... many have! "I love our club, absolutely love it". (Overton, M 2007) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Evans Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 What would your view be if Evans was a Muslim? Rhetorical question by the way relevance?? "I love our club, absolutely love it". (Overton, M 2007) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolford6 Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Id expect any players union to be supportive of a player. Its hardly an unbiased view. Nobody has suggested that he shouldn't be allowed to return to football, its understandable that fans, sponsors and officials dont want him at their club. The article was written by a solicitor. Under Scrutiny by the Right-On Thought Police Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 The article was written by a solicitor. Who seems to believe that Evans was found guilty of having it off with a woman who was a bit tiddly just like "thousands of men every day". Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry the Leit Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 relevance?? I think it's irrelevent to this thread, but relevant to the wider (or narrower) views of the poster at which it was addressed. The Unicorn is not a Goose, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolford6 Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 And who tweeted that she was going to "win big" Under Scrutiny by the Right-On Thought Police Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry the Leit Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 And who tweeted that she was going to "win big" Has she won anything? The Unicorn is not a Goose, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolford6 Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Not as far as I know, not even bought a Mini for her friend, like she reportedly said she would. The recovered tweets are obtainable online Under Scrutiny by the Right-On Thought Police Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Not as far as I know, not even bought a Mini for her friend, like she reportedly said she would. The recovered tweets are obtainable online They're on Ched's website and are sent five months after he's been charged and five months before he's convicted. They obviously have nothing to say on what happened in the Premier Inn. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry the Leit Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Not as far as I know, not even bought a Mini for her friend, like she reportedly said she would. The recovered tweets are obtainable online Right. What do they show or prove? The Unicorn is not a Goose, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolford6 Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 That's not the website that I'm referring to, though the tweets may have been reprinted on Ched's website. The one that I am talking about retrieved the deleted tweets as a computer exercise, not as a specific supporter of Ched Evans' case. I'm not sure that I should post the link because I don't wish to compromise TRL. Under Scrutiny by the Right-On Thought Police Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolford6 Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Right. What do they show or prove? They indicate that she was in no way traumatised by her experience. Jocular, it seems to me. However, the tweet was posted several months after the incident, Under Scrutiny by the Right-On Thought Police Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l'angelo mysterioso Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 They indicate that she was in no way traumatised by her experience. Jocular, it seems to me. However, the tweet was posted several months after the incident, And if that's true, which is pure supposition on your part how does this translate into evidence of Evans' guilt or innocence? Or indeed the effect that the assault had on her? WELCOME TO THE ROYSTON VASEY SUPER LEAGUE 2015 Keeping it local Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry the Leit Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 They indicate that she was in no way traumatised by her experience. Jocular, it seems to me. However, the tweet was posted several months after the incident, They could indicate all sorts of things or nothing at all. To be able to conclude that she was in no way traumatised is an act of monumental and wanton ignorance. The Unicorn is not a Goose, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 They could indicate all sorts of things or nothing at all. To be able to conclude that she was in no way traumatised is an act of monumental and wanton ignorance. Presumably people who are paid out compensation shouldn't spend it on pleasurable things, or look forward to how they might spend it. Nobody who has been unfairly dismissed would write gleefully about taking their old firm to the cleaners. Someone who does not weep at their mother's funeral must be guilty. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolford6 Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 They could indicate all sorts of things or nothing at all. To be able to conclude that she was in no way traumatised is an act of monumental and wanton ignorance. To say that I had concluded that she was in no way traumatised when I said that it indicated that she was in no way traumatised is an act of monumental and wanton arrogance. Still, insight and accuracy were never your strongpoint. Under Scrutiny by the Right-On Thought Police Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l'angelo mysterioso Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 To say that I had concluded that she was in no way traumatised when I said that it indicated that she was in no way traumatised is an act of monumental and wanton arrogance. Still, insight and accuracy were never your strongpoint. But it doesn't indicate thatYour own standards of correctitude, and empiricism are a beacon that guides the ignorant, those who lack the very insight that oozes from your every post on the path of meaningful discourse. With that in mind can you back your last statement up? WELCOME TO THE ROYSTON VASEY SUPER LEAGUE 2015 Keeping it local Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 That's not the website that I'm referring to, though the tweets may have been reprinted on Ched's website. The one that I am talking about retrieved the deleted tweets as a computer exercise, not as a specific supporter of Ched Evans' case. I'm not sure that I should post the link because I don't wish to compromise TRL. Yes, these have been posted on Ched's site crediting the hacker. Couple of things on this. 1 - they don't refer directly to the rape or Ched Evans - they could easily have been talking about the lotto 2 - some people are money-motivated - even if she was going for the kill for a payout, that doesn't necessarily change what happened. Plenty of people who suffer crimes make money from them. Even if she was discussing this, it may be distasteful, but not illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry the Leit Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 To say that I had concluded that she was in no way traumatised when I said that it indicated that she was in no way traumatised is an act of monumental and wanton arrogance. Still, insight and accuracy were never your strongpoint. My apologies, I should have said indicated and not concluded. The rest of my statement stands. The Unicorn is not a Goose, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolford6 Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 No probs. Under Scrutiny by the Right-On Thought Police Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Evans Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 Who seems to believe that Evans was found guilty of having it off with a woman who was a bit tiddly just like "thousands of men every day".and there's the subjective issue. If she was absolutely hammered, as some reports suggest, she would have been incapable of consenting and as such non - consensual sex took place "I love our club, absolutely love it". (Overton, M 2007) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry the Leit Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 and there's the subjective issue. If she was absolutely hammered, as some reports suggest, she would have been incapable of consenting and as such non - consensual sex took place She p**sed the bed Robin. I think that's a fair indication that she was hammered and not "fair game". The Unicorn is not a Goose, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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