Roughyhead true Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 How close are we to a state of origin for europe. London/south of england France Yorkshire Lancashire Could that get London really moving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hvy wg Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 I don't really get the Yorkshire/Lancashire thing. Can someone list the team that are in each state? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluded pom? Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 I don't really get the Yorkshire/Lancashire thing. Can someone list the team that are in each state? Hull FC are in a terrible state at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmduck Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 How close are we to a state of origin for europe. Definitely happen within the next 40 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluded pom? Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Definitely happen within the next 40 years. Involving which teams Ducky? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmduck Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Involving which teams Ducky? I'll be soylent green by then so I don't care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMEGA Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 I don't really get the Yorkshire/Lancashire thing. Can someone list the team that are in each state? East of Penines vs West of Penines Call it Yorkshire Vs Lancashire Market it as The War of the Roses Do huge promotions of cheap tickets in schools and Community clubs, £5 a ticket, get the kids there in huge numbers and get them hooked on the game. Have some players to make derogatory statements about each other and let it get serious What we have now that we didn't have before is programmes like Boot n All, The SL Show and Backchat to lay the foundations of the rivalry and big up the feuds between players. In many ways we are at a state of play similar to that which prevailed in Australia when they began Origin. Make it compulsory to play if selected or be stood down from your club game for 2 weeks Make it a genuine England trial, if you pull out of this game you can not be considered for England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluded pom? Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 East of Penines vs West of Penines Call it Yorkshire Vs Lancashire Market it as The War of the Roses Do huge promotions of cheap tickets in schools and Community clubs, £5 a ticket, get the kids there in huge numbers and get them hooked on the game. Have some players to make derogatory statements about each other and let it get serious What we have now that we didn't have before is programmes like Boot n All, The SL Show and Backchat to lay the foundations of the rivalry and big up the feuds between players. In many ways we are at a state of play similar to that which prevailed in Australia when they began Origin. Make it compulsory to play if selected or be stood down from your club game for 2 weeks Make it a genuine England trial, if you pull out of this game you can not be considered for England. It's been tried before. Isn't the definition of madness doing the same things over and over and expecting different results? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roughyhead true Posted April 6, 2015 Author Share Posted April 6, 2015 I was thinking more of London. Are there enough players now. Seem to be more and more they dont play for broncos but for london Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPosh Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 I have no interest in 600 year old, geographically inaccurate rivalries being played out in modern sport. Especially as I don't live in either of the counties concerned and have no affinity to the Pennines. You cannot artificially create rivalries. People called Romans they go the house Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMEGA Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 It's been tried before. Isn't the definition of madness doing the same things over and over and expecting different results? Unless you do it differently! The problem with this concept, everytime it's been tried before, is that they've played at it with no conviction or serious backing. They've allowed clubs or individual players to undermine it and treat it with contempt which has lead to fans being uninterested leading to failure. Make it a genuine Test trial, set player against player with a representitive shirt on the line! Tell Ryan Atkins that if he batters Kallum Watkins, outplays him and proves over three games that he's the better choice for England then he'll get selected by a selection committee that sits after the series is over! PERIOD! No exceptions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMEGA Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 I have no interest in 600 year old, geographically inaccurate rivalries being played out in modern sport. Especially as I don't live in either of the counties concerned and have no affinity to the Pennines. You cannot artificially create rivalries. I do!I live in Yorkshire and I'm proud of it, I love nothing more than kicking Lancashire *****! There's nothing artificial about that I'm sure people in Melbourne and Adelaide could have felt much the same as you do when Origin started Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluded pom? Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Unless you do it differently! The problem with this concept, everytime it's been tried before, is that they've played at it with no conviction or serious backing. They've allowed clubs or individual players to undermine it and treat it with contempt which has lead to fans being uninterested leading to failure. Make it a genuine Test trial, set player against player with a representitive shirt on the line! Tell Ryan Atkins that if he batters Kallum Watkins, outplays him and proves over three games that he's the better choice for England then he'll get selected by a selection committee that sits after the series is over! PERIOD! No exceptions! Unfortunately it doesn't work like that. To be a genuine Test trial you'd have to play it close to the international season i.e. towards the end of the season. Never going to happen. If you play it mid season then any form shown is irrelevant. Coaches will always have players they prefer over others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMEGA Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Unfortunately it doesn't work like that. To be a genuine Test trial you'd have to play it close to the international season i.e. towards the end of the season. Never going to happen. If you play it mid season then any form shown is irrelevant. Coaches will always have players they prefer over others. Don't say that too loud they might hear you in Australia where that worked for years. Who could have guessed they were getting it so wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMEGA Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 We've played around for years looking for some form of pre Test competition to battle harden our players and prepare them for the higher intensity of international rugby league. France aren't strong enough The Exiles was a flawed concept If this was taken seriously the intensity would be a good stepping stone into internationals for the players. We'd also see which players have the ability to play under pressure, that ability once proven is in the bank while form can be monitored thereafter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number 16 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Make it a genuine Test trial, set player against player with a representitive shirt on the line! Tell Ryan Atkins that if he batters Kallum Watkins, outplays him and proves over three games that he's the better choice for England then he'll get selected by a selection committee that sits after the series is over! PERIOD! And have the England coach watch it on TV from his apartment in Sydney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 How close are we to a state of origin for europe. London/south of england France Yorkshire Lancashire Could that get London really moving. Hopefully a long way off. We need to concentrate on getting France capable of competing with England and maybe some of the other home nations, nothing screams of being insular more than origin!! Union has the amazing concept of the six nations that grabs all the TV, radio and written press media getting huge crowds and big major companies falling over themselves to sponsor it. Let's aim big for a change instead of the tired old Lancashire v Yorkshire nonsense that nobody cares about even in these 2 counties never mind outside of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellsy4HullFC Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 I think Yorkshire vs Lancashire could work as a trial for those outside of the elite training squad, but not as a replacement for an England international. Two test series against France mid season (home and away), with county games being played at the same time to give prospective players a further taste of a rep atmosphere. I wouldn't want Yorkshire vs Lancashire as a top level rep game. It sends the completely wrong message (as does QLD vs NSW). But there should be room for it at some level in the calendar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmduck Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 nothing screams of being insular more than origin!! In England maybe. NSW has been playing Qld since 1908. Origin is a variant but it's still Qld v NSW and still a legitimate trial for Kangaroo selection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPosh Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 In England maybe. NSW has been playing Qld since 1908. Origin is a variant but it's still Qld v NSW and still a legitimate trial for Kangaroo selection. I think you're confusing insular with successful. Or are you suggesting that all the Kiwis and Islanders who play Origin make it more open and accessible than a first glance would suggest? People called Romans they go the house Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmduck Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 I think you're confusing insular with successful. Or are you suggesting that all the Kiwis and Islanders who play Origin make it more open and accessible than a first glance would suggest? No, not at all. English fans are proud of their traditions. One Australian tradition is interstate sporting contests. The fact that they are successful is a tribute to the size of the player pool, not the insularity of the fans. "All the Kiwis and Islanders who play Origin." Origin eligibility rules are much tighter than International rules. Why does nobody ever complain about James McManus playing Origin? Or Dan Sarginson playing for England? Why does Origin need to be "open and accessible?" Nobody I know wants it to be, and we are the NSWers. It's part of our domestic season, like your Challenge Cup. Why don't you allow Fijian teams in the Challenge Cup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluded pom? Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Don't say that too loud they might hear you in Australia where that worked for years. Who could have guessed they were getting it so wrong? So what works in Australia always works here does it? I go on Aussie forums and some Australians complain that Origin is no longer a Test trial because of when it's played. Isn't the Anzac day Test played before Origin? Origin is played well before the 4N and still we see the Australian coach pick the tried and trusted over Origin form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmduck Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Origin is played well before the 4N and still we see the Australian coach pick the tried and trusted over Origin form. As a general rule in sport, you don't change a winning team. After last year's 4N maybe we'll see some changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluded pom? Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 As a general rule in sport, you don't change a winning team. After last year's 4N maybe we'll see some changes. So you agree, Origin isn't a Test trial? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmduck Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 No. Every time you pick a Test team there will be injury absences, suspensions and retirements. The replacements are drawn from the better Origin performers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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