winnyason Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Following discussions with the Rugby Football League (RFL), the Board of Directors of the Toulouse Olympique XIII spoke in favor of the integration of its pennant team in the English Championship League One, from the 2015-2016 season (start of the competition in February 2016). The Toulouse now awaiting validation of their case by the legal services of the Federal Instance (6-8 weeks). Following intensive lobbying done by the leaders Toulouse since moving to Warrington in January, with the support of the FFR XIII and Catalans Dragons, the RFL, who wants a France team that rivals the XIII English, understands the 'interest to have a 2nd professional French club and would give a chance to' Blue and White '. With the new structure of British competitions (3 professional divisions with promotion and relegation) the 'front door' is the mandatory League One. Administrators, coaches and players of the TO are ready for the challenge, with the objective of direct accession to the upper floor from the start in 2017 ... just in time for delivery of the new Arnauné Stadium! From there website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winnyason Posted June 20, 2015 Author Share Posted June 20, 2015 They have around 8 months to plan, let's hope they can run a similar cap to elite. If there squad is the same plus the likes of martins, marginet they should go up to championship which has half the league full time pro. There feeder clubs would be Toulouse Broncos in elite while a loan arrangement with Catalans post elite and another superleague side should be looked at. With the likes of the Bentley boys, massolot, Jonathan ford, planas they should be fine. Given these boys play normally September to April many may still play some elite matches to prepare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwis 13 6 Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 OK whats is done is done good luck Toulouse trying to rapidly rise thru the ranks... have to question why Super League Europe's structure the best comp outside the UK's is deemed lower than the UK's lowest semi professional division? Toulouse should have been put in Championship with elite 1 and championship 1 declared equal competitions. In the absence of a beer coaster or a ciggie packet heres my go at Europe wide structure Super League Europe /\ Championship /\ UK Championship 1 = French Elite 1 /\ /\ UK National Conference League = French Elite 2 /\ /\ Amatuer community Clubs in UK & Ireland = Federale Clubs in France, European Comps in Serbia, Italy, Spain, etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Homer Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 OK whats is done is done good luck Toulouse trying to rapidly rise thru the ranks... have to question why in Super League Europe the structure of the best comp outside the UK's is deemed lower than the UK's lowest semi professional division? Toulouse should have been put in Championship with elite 1 and championship 1 declared equal competitions it terms of the structure of European rugby league 'Super League Europe' hasn't been a thing since 2002. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwis 13 6 Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Ok officially not Super League Europe since 2002 sure Catalans have something to say about that? My point is whats the structure of Rugby league in Europe at the moment? my model above not set in stone if game in Spain, italy, Serbia, Russia etc developed semi pro comps the standard of elite 2 etc then they would fit into structure at that level.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambass Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 There can't be an "Europe" competition that is run solely by a national governing body. That's a fundamentally flawed concept that leads to this kind of ludicrous decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winnyason Posted June 20, 2015 Author Share Posted June 20, 2015 Not sure where this leads. The way It may work cap wise if they somewhat bump up toulouse broncos cap as there will lower there's. While players are dual players playing few lead up games with broncos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingking Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Russia's Kontinental Hockey League does well for itself and is run on such a basis. www.twitter.com/flyingking2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nadera78 Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Russia's Kontinental Hockey League does well for itself and is run on such a basis.Every single team in the KHL loses money, even more so for the clubs outside Russia - to the point that the Norwegian club only survives because it's Russian owner pumps in 8-10 million every year. And he only does that because he's an oil man and uses the club for business purposes in Norway.The RFL will never be able to develop a proper European comp because Wood, Rimmer, etc are beholden to the midd-sized and smaller clubs. They don't want to look at the bigger picture at the top level because that won't secure their jobs. "Just as we had been Cathars, we were treizistes, men apart." Jean Roque, Calendrier-revue du Racing-Club Albigeois, 1958-1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krytensmate Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Every single team in the KHL loses money, even more so for the clubs outside Russia - to the point that the Norwegian club only survives because it's Russian owner pumps in 8-10 million every year. And he only does that because he's an oil man and uses the club for business purposes in Norway. The RFL will never be able to develop a proper European comp because Wood, Rimmer, etc are beholden to the midd-sized and smaller clubs. They don't want to look at the bigger picture at the top level because that won't secure their jobs. ' beholden ' ? , what are you on about ? So YOU want a franchised dream league of who exactly ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingking Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Agree with the comments on KHL in terms of moneymaking, but how many professional sports teams in Europe do not post losses? In terms of a pan European league which is expanding rapidly and has considerable prestige and the ability to attract star names, then it can be considered a success. If wealthy Russians want to waste their money on such a project, that is up to them. However the KHL is able to attract both these individuals and the big cities. Finally rugby league has got the interest of a big wealthy city, which is now convinced that the right structure exists for them to fulfil their ambition. www.twitter.com/flyingking2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotchy Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 There can't be an "Europe" competition that is run solely by a national governing body. That's a fundamentally flawed concept that leads to this kind of ludicrous decisions. "officially" it isn't, In practice it unfortunately is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotchy Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Stupid idiotic decision to push them through a process that had its failures highlighted only a few years ago only exacerbated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winnyason Posted June 20, 2015 Author Share Posted June 20, 2015 Hearing that the players will be paid by both Toulouse Broncos and to xiii as cap for championship is too small. So we may have players on the field for 10 months this simply won't work back to the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotchy Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Agree with the comments on KHL in terms of moneymaking, but how many professional sports teams in Europe do not post losses? In terms of a pan European league which is expanding rapidly and has considerable prestige and the ability to attract star names, then it can be considered a success. If wealthy Russians want to waste their money on such a project, that is up to them. However the KHL is able to attract both these individuals and the big cities. Finally rugby league has got the interest of a big wealthy city, which is now convinced that the right structure exists for them to fulfil their ambition. Toulouse haven't applied because of the new structure, they have applied in spite of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluded pom? Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Hearing that the players will be paid by both Toulouse Broncos and to xiii as cap for championship is too small. So we may have players on the field for 10 months this simply won't work back to the future. Using players who are doubling up didn't work for PSG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonM Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Using players who are doubling up didn't work for PSG. In PSG's case, they were playing in the south of France one day and for PSG the next. Here we're talking about them playing in Elite 1 for 4 months and then for TO in the UK "summer". Not ideal, but not quite as bad. I think they would do this regardless of the salary cap considerations. Otherwise you have a squad of players going ~9 months without a game, which is hardly ideal preparation either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieSaint Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 ' beholden ' ? , what are you on about ? So YOU want a franchised dream league of who exactly ? The poster suggested Wood and Rimmer's power base is the mid/smaller clubs like Castleford, Wakefield et al rather than the big clubs like Wigan and Warrington. Granted Leeds and most recently Saints supported the RFL's plans for the new structure but you could see the split across the top division between the bigger and smaller clubs. As for the franchised league dream, personally no apart from French clubs; they should play solely in the top division AND have dispensation from relegation which should solely be for British clubs. Sadly as the previous poster alluded to, the RFL doesn't have the leadership to implement this model despite my proposal being a success with Catalan and the RFL's being an utter failure with Toulouse in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowes Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Hearing that the players will be paid by both Toulouse Broncos and to xiii as cap for championship is too small. So we may have players on the field for 10 months this simply won't work back to the future.Yeah it won't work as the seasons overlap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krytensmate Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 The poster suggested Wood and Rimmer's power base is the mid/smaller clubs like Castleford, Wakefield et al rather than the big clubs like Wigan and Warrington. Granted Leeds and most recently Saints supported the RFL's plans for the new structure but you could see the split across the top division between the bigger and smaller clubs. As for the franchised league dream, personally no apart from French clubs; they should play solely in the top division AND have dispensation from relegation which should solely be for British clubs. Sadly as the previous poster alluded to, the RFL doesn't have the leadership to implement this model despite my proposal being a success with Catalan and the RFL's being an utter failure with Toulouse in the past. So the mid/smaller SL clubs voted for relegation rather than security of licencing ? Seriously By taking this decision Toulouse will earn huge respect and best wishes , I congratulate them on it and wish them all the best , they will achieve SL status and they will deserve it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieSaint Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 So the mid/smaller SL clubs voted for relegation rather than security of licencing ? Seriously By taking this decision Toulouse will earn huge respect and best wishes , I congratulate them on it and wish them all the best , they will achieve SL status and they will deserve it Yes seriously...go and look at the vote for the new structure and reducing the league to 12. Wakefield, Castelford, Widnes and London all voted for it (even Bradford who were well on the way to relegation); only Salford out of the traditional smaller clubs didn't due to Koukash being at the helm.I also have a lot of respect for Toulouse and their decision wishing the all the best for the future. However, they didn't have a choice if they were to try and play in the biggest league in Europe. With a playing budget of £1.3m euros a year, Toulouse are far too big a club to compete in Championship 1 already highlighted by many on this thread and in the French Update one as well. Mike Rylance has written a really good piece in the Jun edition of Forty-Twenty stating "Toulouse has a huge potential which, however, cannot sway the minimalist policy of the SL clubs and RFL." He is absolutely spot on about the minimalist approach in display towards Toulouse despite the lessons of the past. We never learn lessons as we lack leadership and any real future plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwis 13 6 Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 yeah "if" they make it to super league, they will have earned it by doing it tough taking 2 steps back to have a shot at reaching there goal to satisfy some slightly retarded administrators and backwards stereotypical one eyed club 1st types who think Toulouse have it easy & should have to make super league from hull under 7's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krytensmate Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Yes seriously...go and look at the vote for the new structure and reducing the league to 12. Wakefield, Castelford, Widnes and London all voted for it (even Bradford who were well on the way to relegation); only Salford out of the traditional smaller clubs didn't due to Koukash being at the helm. . So the 2 most likely voted , along with 3 others ( 2 of who will be fighting it out in the middle 8 ) , so the clubs that didn't vote for it are affected how ? , what difference has it made to them ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krytensmate Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 I also have a lot of respect for Toulouse and their decision wishing the all the best for the future. However, they didn't have a choice if they were to try and play in the biggest league in Europe. With a playing budget of £1.3m euros a year, Toulouse are far too big a club to compete in Championship 1 already highlighted by many on this thread and in the French Update one as well. Mike Rylance has written a really good piece in the Jun edition of Forty-Twenty stating "Toulouse has a huge potential which, however, cannot sway the minimalist policy of the SL clubs and RFL." He is absolutely spot on about the minimalist approach in display towards Toulouse despite the lessons of the past. We never learn lessons as we lack leadership and any real future plans. The lessons of the past told us that Toulouse weren't ready , ' Toulouse are far too big a club ' ? How and why ? , ' Who's Mike Rylance and what makes his opinion worth listening to ? , Toulouse do have huge potential , and that potential should see them succeed What future plans do you suggest ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krytensmate Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 yeah "if" they make it to super league, they will have earned it by doing it tough taking 2 steps back to have a shot at reaching there goal to satisfy some slightly retarded administrators and backwards stereotypical one eyed club 1st types who think Toulouse have it easy & should have to make super league from hull under 7's So you think they should be put straight in ? , if so who are you dumping out ? , and are you giving them exception from relegation ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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