Saintslass Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Ive seen him play a few times this season for Wentworthville, absolutely hopeless and a blight on English RL that clubs sign players like this. Assuming your post is serious .... So tell me then, what are Saints supposed to do? They began the season with Lomax. He suffered a season ending injury. They then brought back the 35 year old Wellens, who hobbled off with a hip injury on Good Friday that has seen his career come to an end. They turned to Hohaia, who then retired as a result of concussion injuries. So then in came Makinson, a winger on terrific form, but he broke his leg. So we turned to McDonnell who played briefly for us last year until he broke his jaw but his season was ended with a torn achilles. So we played our very talented centre Percival there, a player who hadn't played at fullback since he was 7 years old, and thus deprived our backline of a very talented centre, playing with a second rower there instead. Do you think we should continue ticking off our backline until they are all injured and we are screwed? Or should we bring in someone until the end of the season who wants game time but isn't getting it? A body at the back who can at least provide an attacking threat without depriving us of our other attacking threats? Now, if your post wasn't serious then I say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintslass Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 I had read that Percival was a Widnes product, so stand corrected. I am of course only teasing - Saints have produced a lot of good players, almost certainly more than a number of clubs, and find themselves in an unenviable position. No one can blame them for looking to the NRL, though not for a marquee player of course. They'd never do that. Percival is a Widnes lad in that he was born and brought up in Widnes and probably still lives there. But he came through the Saints system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Percival is a Widnes lad in that he was born and brought up in Widnes and probably still lives there. But he came through the Saints system. So he isn't a local lad then as you mentioned before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintslass Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 So he isn't a local lad then as you mentioned before? I said he was a local lad, not a St Helens lad. Widnes is local, yes. We share a border with Widnes. Widnes town centre is about a 10 minute drive from St Helens town centre. It's closer to us than Wigan is and we share a border with Wigan too. Tommy Makinson is also a local lad. He isn't a St Helens lad though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gates1 Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Assuming your post is serious .... So tell me then, what are Saints supposed to do? They began the season with Lomax. He suffered a season ending injury. They then brought back the 35 year old Wellens, who hobbled off with a hip injury on Good Friday that has seen his career come to an end. They turned to Hohaia, who then retired as a result of concussion injuries. So then in came Makinson, a winger on terrific form, but he broke his leg. So we turned to McDonnell who played briefly for us last year until he broke his jaw but his season was ended with a torn achilles. So we played our very talented centre Percival there, a player who hadn't played at fullback since he was 7 years old, and thus deprived our backline of a very talented centre, playing with a second rower there instead. Do you think we should continue ticking off our backline until they are all injured and we are screwed? Or should we bring in someone until the end of the season who wants game time but isn't getting it? A body at the back who can at least provide an attacking threat without depriving us of our other attacking threats? Now, if your post wasn't serious then I say You could have signed the ENGLISHMAN Jordan Tansey instead. But oh no just because Jordan isn't very good at paying attention or catching let's all rely on Aussie imports....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidingPie Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 could Saints ever look to sign Eastmond back, or did he burn his bridges. I only ask because he doesn't seem to have been a huge success in the Sith ranks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff9of13 Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 I think this may have fallen out of Saintlass's back: "it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 I'd hate to be the academy full back at saints. Gone through so many and still not getting a look in now up pops some no mark import Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Toppy Posted July 2, 2015 Author Share Posted July 2, 2015 I'd hate to be the academy full back at saints. Gone through so many and still not getting a look in now up pops some no mark import Young Bailey is nowhere near ready for 1st team rugby. KC gave him a try earlier in the season against Leeds and he had an absolute nighmare and was taken off at half time. If they threw him back into 1st team rugby now and he had another bad game his confidence would be completely shot and it could set back his development for years to come. Some young players can handle the pressure of playing 1st team at 17/18 and some cant, sadly Bailey is in the latter. St.Helens - The Home of record breaking Rugby Champions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidingPie Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Young Bailey is nowhere near ready for 1st team rugby. KC gave him a try earlier in the season against Leeds and he had an absolute nighmare and was taken off at half time. If they threw him back into 1st team rugby now and he had another bad game his confidence would be completely shot and it could set back his development for years to come. Some young players can handle the pressure of playing 1st team at 17/18 and some cant, sadly Bailey is in the latter. And very sensible KC was to take him off too! One of the things so many of the "throw the juniors in" brigade forgets is that sometimes the kids aren't ready and too much pressure too soon can set them back a long way. It took Kev Brown a long time to recover from Millward's mishandling at Wigan, and I guess we'll never know if he fully recovered or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southstander13 Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 When I saw Quinlan play for St George last year I thought he was pretty good to be honest, quite a dangerous attacking player. He's dropped off the radar this year so not sure what happened this year at Parra! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintslass Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 When I saw Quinlan play for St George last year I thought he was pretty good to be honest, quite a dangerous attacking player. He's dropped off the radar this year so not sure what happened this year at Parra! Personally I no longer care what he's like! He's a body we can stick at number 1, releasing Percival who is a talented centre and a genuine attacking threat. If Quinlan can't catch bombs then we have other outside backs who can. If he can't beat a man going forward then we have a couple of outside backs who can (or alternatively we have forwards). If he can't toe a neat grubber then we have halves, backs, a hooker and a second rower who can. If he can't tackle then we have a whole team who can when they want to so they can work that bit harder to keep the opposition away from our line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to the future Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Personally I no longer care what he's like! He's a body we can stick at number 1, releasing Percival who is a talented centre and a genuine attacking threat. If Quinlan can't catch bombs then we have other outside backs who can. If he can't beat a man going forward then we have a couple of outside backs who can (or alternatively we have forwards). If he can't toe a neat grubber then we have halves, backs, a hooker and a second rower who can. If he can't tackle then we have a whole team who can when they want to so they can work that bit harder to keep the opposition away from our line. Strange analysis May as well put Johnny Vegas there then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrywebbisgod Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Strange analysis May as well put Johnny Vegas there then Faster than Wellens ever was. Thank you for your valuable contribution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintslass Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Strange analysis May as well put Johnny Vegas there then Fine by me! It wasn't really a strange analysis. It wasn't really an analysis at all. It was a gut reaction to watching six players who were capable, and mostly very good, at playing in the fullback spot be picked off by season ending injuries. It's got to the stage when Jonny Wellies would be welcomed, never mind Johny Vegas! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crunchers Dad Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Faster than Wellens ever was.He will love that quote, I will send it to him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintslass Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Adam Quinlan is now at Saints. Yay. I wonder how long he'll last before an injury rules him out for the season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 You're hilarious. How many young local backs who can play fullback are we supposed to provide as cover before we are equal to the mighty Wigan then? Lomax (local) is our fullback and our English covers of Wello (retired) and Makinson (broken leg) are both unable to do the job. Scuse us for turning to the NRL because we want our excellent local centre (Percival) to continue playing at centre instead of a (local) converted second rower! do you never watch the academy teams??? saints have some brilliant young players in their academy who should get a chance before bringing over another second rate aussie for a few weeks "Why is Napoleon crying ?" said one sailor to the other, "poor ###### thinks he's being exiled to st helens" came the reply. https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1455957_262746450543197_276002364_n.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintslass Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 do you never watch the academy teams??? saints have some brilliant young players in their academy who should get a chance before bringing over another second rate aussie for a few weeks You might have noticed that Fleming played in the farce on Friday. He is one of our under 19s on debut this season. He has been great on the wing a few times for us already in 2015. However, our under 19s fullback is 17 and not ready to make the step up. So whether you accept it or not, we do not at present have a player from our ranks to play at fullback. We have already disposed of two of them in Lomax and Makinson. How many are we supposed to provide before people will stop being silly in the way that you were in the above post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff9of13 Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Adam Quinlan is now at Saints. Yay. I wonder how long he'll last before an injury rules him out for the season? I take it he was on the plane before Friday's game with no opportunity to turn back? "it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintslass Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 I take it he was on the plane before Friday's game with no opportunity to turn back? Yeah. We were crafty there weren't we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 You might have noticed that Fleming played in the farce on Friday. He is one of our under 19s on debut this season. He has been great on the wing a few times for us already in 2015. However, our under 19s fullback is 17 and not ready to make the step up. So whether you accept it or not, we do not at present have a player from our ranks to play at fullback. We have already disposed of two of them in Lomax and Makinson. How many are we supposed to provide before people will stop being silly in the way that you were in the above post? You might have noticed that Fleming played in the farce on Friday. He is one of our under 19s on debut this season. He has been great on the wing a few times for us already in 2015. However, our under 19s fullback is 17 and not ready to make the step up. So whether you accept it or not, we do not at present have a player from our ranks to play at fullback. We have already disposed of two of them in Lomax and Makinson. How many are we supposed to provide before people will stop being silly in the way that you were in the above post? You might have noticed that Fleming played in the farce on Friday. He is one of our under 19s on debut this season. He has been great on the wing a few times for us already in 2015. However, our under 19s fullback is 17 and not ready to make the step up. So whether you accept it or not, we do not at present have a player from our ranks to play at fullback. We have already disposed of two of them in Lomax and Makinson. How many are we supposed to provide before people will stop being silly in the way that you were in the above post? promote another threequarter and keep percival at full back, he has done well considering the lack of support from his team mates, saints real problems at the moment lie in the halfbacks, neither walsh or burns are having any influence on the game and sinfield and mcguire tore them apart on friday night. by continually slamming your team for a "farce" please have the good grace to say that the rhinos played outstanding. "Why is Napoleon crying ?" said one sailor to the other, "poor ###### thinks he's being exiled to st helens" came the reply. https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1455957_262746450543197_276002364_n.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrywebbisgod Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 TBF Leeds weren't that good but you have more of chance of seeing Lord Lucan riding Shergar,than you do of "super fan" (as a poster has named her)praising Leeds. Thank you for your valuable contribution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintslass Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 promote another threequarter and keep percival at full back, he has done well considering the lack of support from his team mates, saints real problems at the moment lie in the halfbacks, neither walsh or burns are having any influence on the game and sinfield and mcguire tore them apart on friday night. by continually slamming your team for a "farce" please have the good grace to say that the rhinos played outstanding. You don't think that a team which dropped as much ball as Saints did within the first 20 minutes of a game is farcical? How Leeds performed is irrelevant to this thread because we are discussing Saints' fullback options. Percival is not the answer at fullback because he is a talented centre and as was obvious on Friday night we missed him playing in his regular place. Percival at centre and Fleming on the wing and there is a better pairing in defence and attack straight away than the one on display in the Farce on Friday. I'm very glad Adam Quinlan is here. I've seen clips of his work and he looks ok. He'll do a job for us if he adapts to his first journey over to the other side of the world. And his presence releases Percy back into the centres which is also good news for us as he is a real talent there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrFussy Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 promote another threequarter and keep percival at full back, he has done well considering the lack of support from his team mates, saints real problems at the moment lie in the halfbacks, neither walsh or burns are having any influence on the game and sinfield and mcguire tore them apart on friday night. by continually slamming your team for a "farce" please have the good grace to say that the rhinos played outstanding. Not sure about that VW. They scored some outstanding tries in the second half but the general level of their performance can't really be classed as that, but then it didn't need to be. There are some very obvious problems with Walsh and Burns at present as were identified in the match thread, but their cause wasn't helped by the fact we gave them little in the way of field position to work with due to the ridiculous number of knock ons we made. Back on topic, we had to recruit someone else to cover this role. Percival wasn't the answer there, both because of what Saintslass says about him being far more effective in his natural position and because, while he performed well at 1, he didn't look especially comfortable there. We did start the season with plenty of home grown cover, it's just unfortunate we've had this ridiculous run of bad luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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