Griff9of13 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 MPs named over written off expenses So you can falsely claim and, as long as it's not a huge amount, expect to get your debt written off if you refuse to pay back your fraudulent claim. I'm sure the government take the same pragmatic approach where people miss claim benefits in the same way? They don't? You do surprise me! "it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 An oversight, I am sure. Joe Benton (Labour, Bootle - until May 2015) - £309.15 Daniel Poulter (Conservative, Central Suffolk and North Ipswich) - £229.62 Frank Dobson (Labour, Holborn and St Pancras - until May 2015) - £7.50 Stewart Jackson (Conservative, Peterborough) - £7.50 The Secretary of State has given us figures for the number of cases where overpayments have been waived. These are: for 2000, 86; for 2001, 117; for 2002, 110; for 2003, 72; for 2004, 50 and for 2005, 32. .... it is clear from these figures that the number of cases in which recovery has been waived has dropped dramatically since 2001. Overpayments less than the 'small overpayment limit' of £40 can be waived by the local office. see here and.. The Housing Benefit Regulations 2006 do not specifically state the extent to which local authorities should pursue the recovery of overpayments. Guidance states that this is up to local authorities, but that serious attempts should be made to recover overpaid benefit.Just because an overpayment is recoverable, does not necessarily mean that it must be recovered. The law states that all overpayments are recoverable (except certain official errors), but it does not state that they must be recovered. see here oh, and here: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedford Roughyed Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Seems like a cunning plan. MP's refuse to pay/ignore letters. Cost to legally recover the debts is disproportional. Release the names to the press. MP's pay the money through embarrassment. With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff9of13 Posted September 11, 2015 Author Share Posted September 11, 2015 Seems like a cunning plan. MP's refuse to pay/ignore letters. Cost to legally recover the debts is disproportional. Release the names to the press. MP's pay the money through embarrassment. ...and confidence in our elected representatives falls even further. "it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 ..possibly, but only if you want it to.Clearly, though ,it will plummet dramatically after 11.30 on Saturday. The thing is that these MPs have been asked formally up to four times. There is an easy way out. Don't give 'em credit cards. Let them get their own , pay them themselves and then submit the bill to Parliament for payment. They then get paid only what is allowed. The MPs involved represent 4% of MPs and of that 4%, five had already paid the amounts so should not have been on the list. Of course, if you are of a mind not to have confidence in MPs, this must be like manna from heaven. Imagine the faces of those foolish Oldham West and Royton constituents who voted for private school educated Corbynite - Mickey "Twleve Homes" Meacher - when they find out he has submitted a fraudulent claim for £27. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 There is an easy way out. Don't give 'em credit cards. Let them get their own , pay them themselves and then submit the bill to Parliament for payment. They then get paid only what is allowed. A system that is likely to cost YOU THE TAXPAYER significantly more. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 How so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 How so? Because it would involve more MPs' staff time being taken on completing forms, more staff time required at IPSA and then greater expense through banking fees. ALL PAID FOR BY YOU THE TAXPAYER. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArthurDaley Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 One here is really taking the (2) pee. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3230180/Labour-MP-claims-just-TWO-PENCE-worth-stationery.html A large VAT Dave please. Allso known as Teodozjusz Matuschanskavasky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff9of13 Posted September 11, 2015 Author Share Posted September 11, 2015 Because it would involve more MPs' staff time being taken on completing forms, more staff time required at IPSA and then greater expense through banking fees. ALL PAID FOR BY YOU THE TAXPAYER. Not if the overall expenses bill falls it doesn't. That's why ALL large companies employ such systems to process their expenses. "it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Not if the overall expenses bill falls it doesn't. That's why ALL large companies employ such systems to process their expenses. All companies give out company credit cards. That's what the MPs have. Take those away and you'd have them claiming back - and that would be a more staff-heavy time-consuming task. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff9of13 Posted September 11, 2015 Author Share Posted September 11, 2015 All companies give out company credit cards. That's what the MPs have. Take those away and you'd have them claiming back - and that would be a more staff-heavy time-consuming task. No they don't; the company I work for doesn't. We have around 10,000 employees just in the UK, a great many of whom regularly travel on business. A small set of rules (most of which are provided by HMRC) and a simple on-line expenses system is all that is required. "it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Because it would involve more MPs' staff time being taken on completing forms, more staff time required at IPSA and then greater expense through banking fees. ALL PAID FOR BY YOU THE TAXPAYER. MAYBE NOT ALL MPs ARE AS BADLY ORGANISED AS YOU THINK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 No they don't; the company I work for doesn't. We have around 10,000 employees just in the UK, a great many of whom regularly travel on business. A small set of rules (most of which are provided by HMRC) and a simple on-line expenses system is all that is required. Hmmm ... you are aware this makes you less trustworthy than an MP? Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuffer Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 They don't have to have company credit cards....we pay for stuff ourselves and claim back expenses at the end of the month. If MPs did the same, risking certain things being turned down, it may make them think twice about what to attempt to claim for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff9of13 Posted September 12, 2015 Author Share Posted September 12, 2015 Hmmm ... you are aware this makes you less trustworthy than an MP? Is that even possible? "it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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