Compassionate Conservatism

[Trojan]

However, they are employed whether you class them as such or not. 

 

Zero hours contracts have always existed.  Some people like them and some people don't.  But just because some people don't like them doesn't mean they shouldn't exist because those who do are benefiting from them.

Straight from the (Sir) Lynton Crosby play book on how to deal with the zero hours scandal.  Pretend no one's getting hurt by it and the electorate will ignore it, providing it's not happening to them or theirs.

[tonyXIII]

It's not as clear cut as that Tony though. The socialist government openly and actively antagonised and attacked these funds, refusing to get around the table and negotiate with them to seek a way forward. Not the best tactic if you're trying to get companies/people to invest in your country to create jobs and grow the economy. They also renationalised YPF which was owned by Spanish company Repsol, without their agreement. This also put any major companies from seeking to invest.  

 

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This is why I think it's so important we as the UK stop building up debts - we're heading towards 90% of GDP as the national debt, this is a terrible infliction to pass onto the next generation. The repayment on interest each year is staggering - we currently pay about £43 BILLION A YEAR in interest payments - think of what this could be used to in schools, NHS, infrastructure etc. When interest rates go up, this will only get worse. But of course austerity is bad, a dirty dirty word, let's all continue to live beyond our means and the debt will magically vanish away

 

Hope you don't mind me trimming your post to the above two paragraphs.

 

Firstly, my recollection of this is that Argentina actually did negotiate with most bond holders and came to an agreement with most. It was only the American "vulture funds" who refused to accept that agreement and demanded payment in full. Of course, I am more than happy to have my recollection corrected if it is wrong.

 

I left your last paragraph because I happen to agree with the basic point that large amounts of debt are not in the best interest of the nation. However, we all have debt and nation states are no different in this respect; if we can manage the debt, then the debt itself is not a problem. Indeed, paying off a debt too quickly can itself cause economic hardship. We need to believe that the debt is being correctly managed. I think neither of us believes that it is.

[Padge]

A lot of people choose zero hours because it suits their lifestyle, we have a number at our work and they're generally older people who wish to supplement their pension but without the commitment of the daily grind so can choose when they work

 

That's like saying in a war its all right for a lot of people to get shot because the odd one was contemplating suicide.anyway.

[Derwent]

No it wasn't and yes I supported the armed struggle against British imperialism

Bet you had a right old party that night those 2 little lads were blown to bits in Warrington, celebrating another glorious victory for the "struggle".

[Wolford6]

No it wasn't and yes I supported the armed struggle against British imperialism

 

If you accepted that an armed struggle was justified, presumably you supported the army shooting those IRA terrorists on Gibrraltar.

 

I know I do.

 

And, incidentally, I also support a united Ireland.

[DoubleD]

That's like saying in a war its all right for a lot of people to get shot because the odd one was contemplating suicide.anyway.

No it's not

[DoubleD]

rubbish, do you think people would be making the choice of whether to heat or eat if there was an alternative, in you universe everyone who hasn't got loadsamoney must be lazy. You're certainly in the right party.

I'm not in a party or party affiliated.

There's a reason why so many UK employers prefer Eastern European workers because they're hard working. The problem with British society is people want everything on a plate, everything for nothing, like the world owes them something. The graft and work ethic that a lot of our peers had has gone.

It didn't help that Brown created an unsustainable and bloated welfare state where people are better off out of work on benefits, than in work. It disincentives people, and there's a general malaise and lack of ambition in society. The days where people actually wanted to better themselves seem gone but hopefully the current government can try to rectify, it's a culture change though so not easy

[Griff9of13]

Bet you had a right old party that night those 2 little lads were blown to bits in Warrington, celebrating another glorious victory for the "struggle".

Wow. Not everyone shares your black and white world; it's perfectly possible to support the cause but deplore the methods. I know I do.

[Phil]

Bet you had a right old party that night those 2 little lads were blown to bits in Warrington, celebrating another glorious victory for the "struggle".

Did you have one when 18 unarmed civilians were shot by 2 Para on Bloody Sunday?

No thought not, so why would I celebrate the deaths of two little boys?

[Phil]

If you accepted that an armed struggle was justified, presumably you supported the army shooting those IRA terrorists on Gibrraltar.

I know I do.

And, incidentally, I also support a united Ireland.

Yeah in the same way you "supported" the Iraqi army shooting British troops

[Trojan]

I'm not in a party or party affiliated.

There's a reason why so many UK employers prefer Eastern European workers because they're hard working. The problem with British society is people want everything on a plate, everything for nothing, like the world owes them something. The graft and work ethic that a lot of our peers had has gone.

It didn't help that Brown created an unsustainable and bloated welfare state where people are better off out of work on benefits, than in work. It disincentives people, and there's a general malaise and lack of ambition in society. The days where people actually wanted to better themselves seem gone but hopefully the current government can try to rectify, it's a culture change though so not easy

If people are better off out of work and on benefits, doesn't that point to the fact not that benefits are too high but that wages are too low?

The gap between rich and poor in this country has become enormous since Thatcher came to power, perhaps if this:

"CEOs today get pay that's roughly 300 times that of ordinary workers - it used to be 20 or 30 times. No increase in productivity justifies this change in relative compensation."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-32824770

were not the case you'd get more work out of your workers. 

[Wolford6]

Yeah in the same way you "supported" the Iraqi army shooting British troops

 

When we invaded their country so Bush could win an election, yes I did.

 

Blair is a war criminal.

 

And, just like Thatcher, he ignored the men who came back wounded and the families of those who never came back.

[Derwent]

Did you have one when 18 unarmed civilians were shot by 2 Para on Bloody Sunday?

No thought not, so why would I celebrate the deaths of two little boys?

Seeing as I was 5 years old at the time then no I didn't. HTH.

It's not me who is glorifying some "armed struggle" which was, in reality, often a series of cowardly attacks targeted at civilians. These were not "brave soldiers" they were cowards. So you'll have to forgive me for not giving a toss about bloody Sunday, sometimes the biter gets bit. C'est la vie.

[Saintslass]

No it wasn't and yes I supported the armed struggle against British imperialism

Yes it was.

 

So we have an IRA supporter on the boards; a supporter of terrorism.  Duly noted.

[Saintslass]

Straight from the (Sir) Lynton Crosby play book on how to deal with the zero hours scandal.  Pretend no one's getting hurt by it and the electorate will ignore it, providing it's not happening to them or theirs.

If you think you're insulting me then I hate to inform you but you aint!  Crosby has been very successful in helping to get Johnson elected twice as Mayor of London and the Tories to a majority.  Both of those achievements are pleasing to me.

 

We have the lowest unemployment rate in years at present.  Jobs with longer contracts are available all over the country, either on a temporary or permanent basis.  People don't have to work on zero hours contracts if they don't want to but they should be available for those who do want to, like students or those like my sister who want flexibility for childcare purposes.

 

There is nothing scandalous about zero hours contracts.  They've been around since the year dot.

[WearyRhino]

Yes it was.

So we have an IRA supporter on the boards; a supporter of terrorism. Duly noted.

Says the supporter of the USA and Israel - both created through terrorism against British troops.

By the way add me to the list with Phil. I'm proud to have supported the armed struggles in Ireland, South Africa, Angola, Namibia, El Salvador, Nicaragua and many more together with the continued armed struggles in Palestine, Kurdistan amongst others.

[Saintslass]

Says the supporter of the USA and Israel - both created through terrorism against British troops.

I think you're rewriting history there! 

 

I'm not anti-American or anti-Semite, no.  You're right on both those points. 

 

 

By the way add me to the list with Phil. I'm proud to have supported the armed struggles in Ireland, South Africa, Angola, Namibia, El Salvador, Nicaragua and many more together with the continued armed struggles in Palestine, Kurdistan amongst others.

None of that surprises me. 

[Griff9of13]

I think you're rewriting history there!

I'm not anti-American or anti-Semite, no. You're right on both those points.

None of that surprises me.

Yet another who doesn't know the difference between anti-Semite and anti-Zionist.

[Trojan]

I think you're rewriting history there! 

 

I'm not anti-American or anti-Semite, no.  You're right on both those points. 

 

None of that surprises me. 

But both Israel and the US were created by armed struggle against us.  The Stern Gang and Irgun were (to use your terms of reference) terrorists who went around Palestine kidnapping, assassinating and blowing British troops and installations.

[Trojan]

If you think you're insulting me then I hate to inform you but you aint!  Crosby has been very successful in helping to get Johnson elected twice as Mayor of London and the Tories to a majority.  Both of those achievements are pleasing to me.

 

We have the lowest unemployment rate in years at present.  Jobs with longer contracts are available all over the country, either on a temporary or permanent basis.  People don't have to work on zero hours contracts if they don't want to but they should be available for those who do want to, like students or those like my sister who want flexibility for childcare purposes.

 

There is nothing scandalous about zero hours contracts.  They've been around since the year dot.

Crosby is a shithouse.  And his shithouse politics having tainted Australia are now tainting our politics.  What with him and Murdoch our politics is heading for the gutter.  And if you want to know about zero hours contracts I suggest you visit your local  Trestle Trust foodbank and ask those who're attending what they think.

[Alfie Taylor]

He saved us from Labour and their band of spineless hypocrites, he did the country a favour.

[Saintslass]

Yet another who doesn't know the difference between anti-Semite and anti-Zionist.

There isn't one.

[Shadow]

Get a grip

All of you

For sake

[Saintslass]

But both Israel and the US were created by armed struggle against us. 

 

The Stern Gang and Irgun were (to use your terms of reference) terrorists who went around Palestine kidnapping, assassinating and blowing British troops and installations.

The US was - in the form of a war of independence with one side fighting the other, man on man.  If memory serves, the French sided with the colonials just for the fun of it.

 

As for Israel, I do believe the formation of that country was a little more complex than you are making out.  However, I found this reference to the gang you mentioned in Britannica.com:

 

After the creation of the state of Israel (1948), the group, which had always been condemned by moderate leaders of the Jewish community in Palestine, was suppressed, some of its units being incorporated in the Israeli defense forces.

 

So while clearly they were a terrorist organisation by my 'terms of reference', they were not tolerated by the new nation of Israel.  So neither example is really comparable to the IRA.

[tonyXIII]

There isn't one.

 

Oh yes! There is!