JohnM Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 ..but not from Watson, of course. Why would he? hes just upset that it isnt true. He may not be alone. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3265531/Lord-Brittan-treated-outrageously-police-gossiped-journalists-unfounded-rape-claims-against-brother-says.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Daily Mail sticks up for Tory slags off Labour MP big news. When's Cameron going to apologise for doing to the country what Britan's been accused of doing to little boys? “Few thought him even a starter.There were many who thought themselves smarter. But he ended PM, CH and OM. An Earl and a Knight of the Garter.” Clement Attlee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martyn Sadler Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Daily Mail sticks up for Tory slags off Labour MP big news. When's Cameron going to apologise for doing to the country what Britan's been accused of doing to little boys? When I was a kid we had corporal punishment in schools and I once got six of the best from the headmaster for something I hadn't done. I've remembered being punished unjustly ever since. The thought of being unjustly accused of the sort of crime Tom Watson accused Leon Brittan of doesn't bear thinking about. It's incredibly easy to begin a malicious rumour on the Internet about anyone, and there will always be people who will believe almost anything. So I think Tom Watson should respond to Brittan's family. It is surely the decent thing to do, regardless of party affiliation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futtocks Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 When I was a kid we had corporal punishment in schools and I once got six of the best from the headmaster for something I hadn't done. I've remembered being punished unjustly ever since. The thought of being unjustly accused of the sort of crime Tom Watson accused Leon Brittan of doesn't bear thinking about. It's incredibly easy to begin a malicious rumour on the Internet about anyone, and there will always be people who will believe almost anything. So I think Tom Watson should respond to Brittan's family. It is surely the decent thing to do, regardless of party affiliation. Well put. BTW, I got six of the best more than once at school. But, quite frankly, I'd earned it each time. Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted. Ralph Waldo Emerson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff9of13 Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 As far as I'm aware the investigation into these allegations is still ongoing and nothing has been proved one way or the other. Until it's concluded I don't see any reason for anyone, from any side to say anything. "it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckn Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 As far as I'm aware the investigation into these allegations is still ongoing and nothing has been proved one way or the other. Until it's concluded I don't see any reason for anyone, from any side to say anything. And that's half the problem. People are being named and shamed before being proven guilty then they're being declared innocent by their family while there are still outstanding allegations. Just change the law that those accused of this sort of crime are not named until they're at least formally charged or taken to court. "When in deadly danger, when beset by doubt; run in little circles, wave your arms and shout" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WearyRhino Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 When I was a kid we had corporal punishment in schools and I once got six of the best from the headmaster for something I hadn't done. I can't help feeling that you couldn't have used a more appropriate analogy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martyn Sadler Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 I can't help feeling that you couldn't have used a more appropriate analogy. I always try to be relevant. And I should emphasise that the headmaster wasn't Leon Brittan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 As far as I'm aware the investigation into these allegations is still ongoing and nothing has been proved one way or the other. Until it's concluded I don't see any reason for anyone, from any side to say anything. Indeed. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to the future Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Just change the law that those accused of this sort of crime are not named until they're at least formally charged or taken to court. Here's a first I agree with you A while back in my neck of the woods a bloke was taken to court for an alleged rape, he was found not guilty but everyone in our neighbourhood knew in advance about the case, to this day some morons still refer to him as the "rapist". The woman who was found to be lying moved away from the area. And yes I know we don't want to stop women or men to stop reporting rape to the police, but surely reporting restrictions should be kept under wraps until AFTER the case has been heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted October 10, 2015 Author Share Posted October 10, 2015 The politically-motivated campaign by the ****-finder general continues, but not if you are a Labour kiddie fiddler of course. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3267099/Devastating-questions-Labour-s-smearmonger-answer-not-does-brand-TORIES-child-sex-abusers.html No case to answer for Brittain, but did that stop the forum's latest hero? Even the Guardian is getting the point. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/09/leon-brittan-when-did-the-police-go-from-investigators-to-judge-and-jury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martyn Sadler Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 As far as I'm aware the investigation into these allegations is still ongoing and nothing has been proved one way or the other. Until it's concluded I don't see any reason for anyone, from any side to say anything. It seems to have been a politically motivated investigation, which is tyrannical if true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WearyRhino Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 It seems to have been a politically motivated investigation, which is tyrannical if true. Of course, if the pressure to not investigate for years and now to drop the investigation into the alleged sexual predation of 'leading' establishment figures was politically motivated that would be an even greater tyranny wouldn't it Martyn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martyn Sadler Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 Of course, if the pressure to not investigate for years and now to drop the investigation into the alleged sexual predation of 'leading' establishment figures was politically motivated that would be an even greater tyranny wouldn't it Martyn? It would be tyrannical, but the evidence to support it now seems very shaky indeed. I was listening to an interview with Paul Gambaccini on radio last night. What he went through was appalling and you could sense his continuing anger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted October 10, 2015 Author Share Posted October 10, 2015 ex jailbird and self confessed "very leftwing Labour councillor Chris Fay and £300,000 fraudster is at the back of this and has admitted a political motivation. Watson is a cupid stunt for joining in the witch hunt, but hey, who on the loony left ever cared about the truth. And where was Watson on the Janner situation? Nowhere to be seen and in complete denial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futtocks Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 ex jailbird and self confessed "very leftwing Labour councillor Chris Fay and £300,000 fraudster is at the back of this and has admitted a political motivation. Watson is a cupid stunt for joining in the witch hunt, but hey, who on the loony left ever cared about the truth. And where was Watson on the Janner situation? Nowhere to be seen and in complete denial. Not here to comment; just needed to set my watch. Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted. Ralph Waldo Emerson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuffer Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 Not here to comment; just needed to set my watch. He he Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 It would be tyrannical, but the evidence to support it now seems very shaky indeed. I was listening to an interview with Paul Gambaccini on radio last night. What he went through was appalling and you could sense his continuing anger. There were perfectly good reasons to investigate Gambo. If you could give us a list of crimes and people who the police shouldn't bother with, or the kinds of witnesses we should ignore, that would be very helpful. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Drake Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 It seems to have been a politically motivated investigation, which is tyrannical if true. Call me a teensy-weensy bit cynical if you like, but I think the current backlash against Tom Watson might have a modicum of political motivation behind it too, rather than any genuine interest in finding the truth or seeking justice for any of the victims in this whole sordid affair, whether for a child that has been abused, or someone wrongly accused of being an abuser. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted October 11, 2015 Author Share Posted October 11, 2015 From the Guardian: It is just possible that Watson is not gorging himself on a paedophile witch-hunt, and will come out of it with his reputation intact. Possible, but looking less likely by the day. Watson never realised it, but a clock started ticking the moment he claimed there was a clique of high-level paedophiles who raped and murdered children. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/11/deserved-downfall-tom-watson-leon-brittan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Who said this: "If it falls to me to start a fight to cut out the cancer of bent and twisted journalism in our country with the simple sword of truth and the trusty shield of British fair play, so be it. I am ready for the fight. The fight against falsehood and those who peddle it." and what happened to him? http://www.theguardian.com/politics/1995/apr/11/uk1 “Few thought him even a starter.There were many who thought themselves smarter. But he ended PM, CH and OM. An Earl and a Knight of the Garter.” Clement Attlee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted October 11, 2015 Author Share Posted October 11, 2015 In a case that potentially raises questions about political interference with the police, Detective Chief Inspector Paul Settle – formerly head of Scotland Yard’s paedophile unit – either quit or was moved from the wider investigation into an alleged VIP sex abuse ring, following Mr Watson’s intervention. The Independent: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/leon-brittan-rape-inquiry-tom-watson-could-face-grilling-over-efforts-to-re-examine-unproven-claims-a6689346.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted October 12, 2015 Author Share Posted October 12, 2015 What a peice of Watson is. Even the Labour Party deserves better. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34504385 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 What a peice of ###### Watson is. Even the Labour Party deserves better. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34504385 Perhaps he's refused to apologise for reasons we don't know. As he says better one dead peer's memory scarred than kids who've been abused frightened to come forward. The Tories are very good at covering their tracks when they're in power. They've done it before. In the police phrase ," they have form." “Few thought him even a starter.There were many who thought themselves smarter. But he ended PM, CH and OM. An Earl and a Knight of the Garter.” Clement Attlee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to the future Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Perhaps he's refused to apologise for reasons we don't know. As he says better one dead peer's memory scarred than kids who've been abused frightened to come forward. The Tories are very good at covering their tracks when they're in power. They've done it before. In the police phrase ," they have form." Thought you'd defend him, funny how he's not chased after Janner as much. Brittan's are against a 19 year old Allegedly Janners are horrific allegedly http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/11837285/Lord-Janner-to-face-trial-over-historic-sex-abuse-charges-in-new-year.html Anyway Uncle Tom is going to have to answer to these http://news.sky.com/story/1568908/tom-watson-to-be-quizzed-over-brittan-claims Hope they throw the book at the horrible little man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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