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Part of the problem in those days was that Geoffrey Dickens, the MP who did reveal Hayman's name in the House of Commons, was scoffed at by much of the media, particularly on the left, for being a right wing maverick figure.

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No, his reaction should have been to refer them to the police, not to try to make political capital out of such a sensitive issue.

 

You seem to have missed the all important part of my post: "alleged ... that there was a conspiracy to protect those perpetrators".

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You seem to have missed the all important part of my post: "alleged ... that there was a conspiracy to protect those perpetrators".

 

All I can say is that if I were an MP and someone came to me alleging there had been such a conspiracy I would write to the Head of the Met asking for a reaction to the allegation.

 

If that was unsatisfactory I would then ask the Home Secretary for a reaction.

 

And if I were unhappy with that response and I was convinced there was something in the allegations, I would then go to the media to publicise my concerns.

 

The one thing I wouldn't do would be to reveal the names of the people who were the subject of the allegations before any charges had been levelled against them.

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All I can say is that if I were an MP and someone came to me alleging there had been such a conspiracy I would write to the Head of the Met asking for a reaction to the allegation.

 

If that was unsatisfactory I would then ask the Home Secretary for a reaction.

 

And if I were unhappy with that response and I was convinced there was something in the allegations, I would then go to the media to publicise my concerns.

 

The one thing I wouldn't do would be to reveal the names of the people who were the subject of the allegations before any charges had been levelled against them.

 

Then you are clearly not grasping the idea that if there's a conspiracy to protect the powerful and privileged then that might well include the Met Commissioner and Home Secretary.

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Then you are clearly not grasping the idea that if there's a conspiracy to protect the powerful and privileged then that might well include the Met Commissioner and Home Secretary.

 

That's why I said I would then go to the media if I were convinced that they were hiding something.

 

The problem with the conspiracy theory, though, is that it would have to be more than one Met Commissioner and more than one Home Secretary over many years.

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The problem with the conspiracy theory, though, is that it would have to be more than one Met Commissioner and more than one Home Secretary over many years.

 

Have you ever noticed the number of police stations that are near to Masonic Halls?

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Have you ever noticed the number of police stations that are near to Masonic Halls?

That of course explains a lot of mysteries.  Like why the foxhunting laws haven't been policed properly and a host of other "sensitive" subjects.  I've always thought that Aitken, Archer and Hamilton wouldn't have dared do what they did if they hadn't been confident they'd get away with it.  I bet there were numerous other instances that never came to light because someone was "leaned on." Presumably when it was obvious there was going to be a Labour government with a large majority, those who normally took care of these little jobs for the Tories ran for cover.  The Tories reckon they are in for a long time, because of boundary changes and what happened in Scotland and are back to their old tricks.

I for one remember Alistair Milne losing his job as DG of the Beeb over one of these incidents.  They thought they had a witness and then found they hadn't.  Someone had been leaned on


“Few thought him even a starter.There were many who thought themselves smarter. But he ended PM, CH and OM. An Earl and a Knight of the Garter.”

Clement Attlee.

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That's why I said I would then go to the media if I were convinced that they were hiding something.

 

 

That'll be the media that somehow missed (or colluded in covering up) everything that Jimmy Savile was up to over a period of 40 years until he was dead and buried?


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I see Labour Party member and noted firebrand socialist Zac Goldsmith has also refused to apologise or withdraw his allegation.

 

Indeed. And the condemnation of him and the demands for apologies, on here and elsewhere, have been truly deafening.


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That'll be the media that somehow missed (or colluded in covering up) everything that Jimmy Savile was up to over a period of 40 years until he was dead and buried?

 

You seem to be suggesting that the BBC isn't fit for purpose, because the state broadcaster is the medium that should be in the dock about this.

 

There seems to be plenty of evidence of people at the BBC turning a blind eye to what they knew was happening.

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Have you ever noticed the number of police stations that are near to Masonic Halls?

 

If this article is anything to go by, perhaps Leon Brittan's mistake was in not joining the Masons.

 

The more you read about this case, the worse it gets.

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Please only link to Dan Hodges after putting on a trigger warning for 'sanctimonious BS'.


Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett)

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You seem to be suggesting that the BBC isn't fit for purpose, because the state broadcaster is the medium that should be in the dock about this.

 

There seems to be plenty of evidence of people at the BBC turning a blind eye to what they knew was happening.

 

There were multiple allegations known to many people in the media - well beyond the BBC.  Savile even refers to them in interviews.

 

Possibly the police and media were waiting for an MP to raise the matter before acting.  Apparently that's the only way they do things.

 

Of course, an MP did try and raise the matter of institutionalised paedophilia but the dossier was mislaid by the then Home Secretary.


Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett)

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There were multiple allegations known to many people in the media - well beyond the BBC.  Savile even refers to them in interviews.

 

Possibly the police and media were waiting for an MP to raise the matter before acting.  Apparently that's the only way they do things.

 

Of course, an MP did try and raise the matter of institutionalised paedophilia but the dossier was mislaid by the then Home Secretary.

 

Funny (not really) how these vital things that could be key evidence always seem to get mislaid isn't it? 

 

This whole thing reminds me of the Hillsborough disaster and subsequent cover up, vital evidence (video and sound recordings of conversations between senior officers etc.) was mislaid by SYP as well. And for over 20 years the establishment closed ranks and insisted there was nothing to see. And we all know how that turned out. :rolleyes:


"it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it."

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Please only link to Dan Hodges after putting on a trigger warning for 'sanctimonious BS'.

 

I suppose anyone who doesn't immediately accept that Brittan must be guilty without any actual evidence is thereby guilty of spouting sanctimonious BS.

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There were multiple allegations known to many people in the media - well beyond the BBC.  Savile even refers to them in interviews.

 

Possibly the police and media were waiting for an MP to raise the matter before acting.  Apparently that's the only way they do things.

 

Of course, an MP did try and raise the matter of institutionalised paedophilia but the dossier was mislaid by the then Home Secretary.

 

I suggest you just blame Sam Burgess.

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Funny (not really) how these vital things that could be key evidence always seem to get mislaid isn't it? 

 

This whole thing reminds me of the Hillsborough disaster and subsequent cover up, vital evidence (video and sound recordings of conversations between senior officers etc.) was mislaid by SYP as well. And for over 20 years the establishment closed ranks and insisted there was nothing to see. And we all know how that turned out. :rolleyes:

 

That's true.

 

As I said earlier, Geoffrey Dickens was assumed to be an eccentric, maverick MP at the time and was widely derided.

 

In that climate it was probably quite easy to 'lose' the file.

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That's true.

 

As I said earlier, Geoffrey Dickens was assumed to be an eccentric, maverick MP at the time and was widely derided.

 

In that climate it was probably quite easy to 'lose' the file.

But wasn't the home secretary who "lost" the file Leon Brittan?


“Few thought him even a starter.There were many who thought themselves smarter. But he ended PM, CH and OM. An Earl and a Knight of the Garter.”

Clement Attlee.

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But wasn't the home secretary who "lost" the file Leon Brittan?

 

It was handed in when he was the Home Secretary.

 

When it was lost, and who lost it, is less certain.

 

I imagine the Home Office will have had a policy of destroying files that are no longer current.

 

So who knows?

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It was handed in when he was the Home Secretary.

 

When it was lost, and who lost it, is less certain.

:shout:


“Few thought him even a starter.There were many who thought themselves smarter. But he ended PM, CH and OM. An Earl and a Knight of the Garter.”

Clement Attlee.

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It was handed in when he was the Home Secretary.

When it was lost, and who lost it, is less certain.

I imagine the Home Office will have had a policy of destroying files that are no longer current.

So who knows?

Lol!

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I suppose anyone who doesn't immediately accept that Brittan must be guilty without any actual evidence is thereby guilty of spouting sanctimonious BS.

Your wasting your time Martyn, the Tom Watson's of this world and this forum say he was guilty

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