ELBOWSEYE Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 With the way results are in the first nine games have people changed their views on the top 4, teams for the top8 and the four playing in the middle eights. My shout is Top four Wire Wigan Hull Saints 5 to 8 Cats Cas Widnes Leeds Middle 8s Salford Hkr Wakefield Giants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports Prophet Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 I'll give you a 5 year prediction. SL Champs will either be Wigan, St Helens or Leeds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELBOWSEYE Posted April 2, 2016 Author Share Posted April 2, 2016 I think you may find times are changing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MZH Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 I'm not happy. Just wrote out a couple of sentences for each team, left the page to check out Huddefields next few fixtures (very difficult btw), and came back to find the page had refreshed and everything was gone. I'm not doing it again so I'll just list my table: Warrington Wigan Hull Catalans St Helens Widnes Castleford Salford (possible points deduction not considered) Leeds Hull KR Wakefield Huddersfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scubby Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 The difference between 11th and 5th is only 3 wins. I think it will finish Warrington Wigan St Helens Hull Catalans Leeds Castleford Salford Widnes Huddersfield Hull KR Wakefield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 Top 4:- Wire Wigan Catalans Hull fc Middle 4:- Cas Saints Leeds Widnes Bottom 4:- Salford Hull kr Huddersfield Wakefield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MZH Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 The difference between 11th and 5th is only 3 wins. I think it will finish Warrington Wigan St Helens Hull Catalans Leeds Castleford Salford Widnes Huddersfield Hull KR Wakefield Based on last year (which is all we have to go on with this new system), to finish 6th pre split you would have needed 24 points and a healthy PD. So for Leeds to get there they need to win 10/14 minimum. That wouldn't be easy even for a firing Leeds team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scubby Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 Based on last year (which is all we have to go on with this new system), to finish 6th pre split you would have needed 24 points and a healthy PD. So for Leeds to get there they need to win 10/14 minimum. That wouldn't be easy even for a firing Leeds team. I am working on final league positions. Leeds may just scrape into 7/8 at the split but will probably be 6th in SL by the time all the regular fixtures are done. Widnes is a strange one. I would love them to stay at the top but they have such a thin squad they could struggle with injuries. So it could easily be Salford in the bottom 4 if they (Widnes) grab some more wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieSaint Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 People are being far too generous to Saints. We won't be anywhere near the top four. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MZH Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 I am working on final league positions. Leeds may just scrape into 7/8 at the split but will probably be 6th in SL by the time all the regular fixtures are done. Widnes is a strange one. I would love them to stay at the top but they have such a thin squad they could struggle with injuries. So it could easily be Salford in the bottom 4 if they (Widnes) grab some more wins. Fair enough. My prediction was based on 23 rounds, although a 30 round one wouldn't be much different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbruce Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 Wire (GF winners) Wigan Hull FC (CC winners) Widnes Catalans Cas Saints Salford Leeds Hull KR Huddersfield Wakefield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kris Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 Wire FC Wigan Catalans Widnes Saints Huddersfield Salford Cas Leeds Wakey KR FC win the grand final against Wire - Pryce wins MOM Huddersfield easy run to the CC final v Catalans - not the most inspiring final on paper but would be a good match at that point of the season Leeds issues appear to be off the field and I would look to a few transfers out of that club in the next month or so and none in - redevelopment of Headingley is the business priority they will survive the middle 8's Saints are playing get out of jail cards every match and bash and barge wont work at the business end of the season Sandow is fit - GF - if not possibly Wigan if they don't fall apart through injuries and lack of energy Catalans are a season away and possibly another coach away from winning the treble - if the players can be ar$%d I know I will be disagreed with but Leeds are out of the 8 now and the Giants will get back in courtesy of a mid season run (traditional that one!) FC are the big improvers and Catalans the team to beat next year, Wire this year, top four would be an astonishing achievement for Widnes and why not Cas are already losing that energy battle with a thin squad - threadbare squad = lower position this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damp squib Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 People are being far too generous to Saints. We won't be anywhere near the top four. Saints have the uncanny a ability to win games while playing utter garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevereed100 Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 You might expect my bias but the above posts seem remarkably ill educated regarding Hull KR. Massively hindered by long term injuries in initially a 26 man squad. With the introduction of Academy players we now number 31 with at least 7 ( been 11 or more) first choice players out yet... we are one of the form teams over the last 4 matches! Beat Salford at their best, lost to Hull by 2 points after leading by 20(Hull being THE form team)lost to Wigan after leading for most of the game with 4 Academy debutants playing, and stuffed Leeds away again with a weakened team. With key players likely to return one by one over the next 12 weeks and with a new coach hitting the heights this Wembley finalist needs some respect. Everybody thinking we are not even likely to hit 8th place confirms the lack of respect shown by the big 4 teams. Who have we not beaten in the last 18 months? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintslass Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 People are being far too generous to Saints. We won't be anywhere near the top four. I agree. I think this season we may struggle to keep a top eight spot, particularly if we are hit with more long term injuries to our first choice team what with the poor quality of our stand ins and the poor quality of the coaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintslass Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 Saints have the uncanny a ability to win games while playing utter garbage. Not this year. This year we are playing utter garbage by default but are losing as many as we are winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MZH Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 You might expect my bias but the above posts seem remarkably ill educated regarding Hull KR. Massively hindered by long term injuries in initially a 26 man squad. With the introduction of Academy players we now number 31 with at least 7 ( been 11 or more) first choice players out yet... we are one of the form teams over the last 4 matches! Beat Salford at their best, lost to Hull by 2 points after leading by 20(Hull being THE form team)lost to Wigan after leading for most of the game with 4 Academy debutants playing, and stuffed Leeds away again with a weakened team. With key players likely to return one by one over the next 12 weeks and with a new coach hitting the heights this Wembley finalist needs some respect. Everybody thinking we are not even likely to hit 8th place confirms the lack of respect shown by the big 4 teams. Who have we not beaten in the last 18 months? When I made my prediction I looked at where I had placed yourselves and Wakefield and thought, "is that fair given their form since the new coaches came in?"But the fact is, there is no easy game these days, and just because I've said Rovers will finish 10th that doesn't mean I think they're a bad team. I mean realistically, over the course of a season are you a better team than Widnes, Cas, Leeds or Salford? Because if we assume you will finish ahead of Wakefield and Hudds, and that Wire, Wigan, Hull, Catalans and Saints are out of reach, that means you are going to have to finish ahead of at least two of them. And even if you think you are better than them, by the end of this weekend you will probably by 7 behind Widnes, 5 behind Salford and 4 behind Cas, and Cas have a game in hand. I'm not saying you can't do it, but it's a big ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Decimus Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 I am working on final league positions. Leeds may just scrape into 7/8 at the split but will probably be 6th in SL by the time all the regular fixtures are done. Widnes is a strange one. I would love them to stay at the top but they have such a thin squad they could struggle with injuries. So it could easily be Salford in the bottom 4 if they (Widnes) grab some more wins. Last season 10 wins was enough to make the 8. It's reasonable to suggest that it'll be similar this year. That means Widnes might only need another 4 wins in our remaining 14 games to make the 8. Even if we lose today (which is likely) we've only played 4 home games out of 10. Don't get me wrong, I'm as pessimistic as anybody when it comes to Widnes but you'd hope that we can get 4 wins out of those 13 games especially when you consider that 7 will be at home and 1 at a neutral venue. A Widnesian in Ireland blog What is the best system for Super League? An honest appraisal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Decimus Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 You might expect my bias but the above posts seem remarkably ill educated regarding Hull KR. Massively hindered by long term injuries in initially a 26 man squad. With the introduction of Academy players we now number 31 with at least 7 ( been 11 or more) first choice players out yet... we are one of the form teams over the last 4 matches! Beat Salford at their best, lost to Hull by 2 points after leading by 20(Hull being THE form team)lost to Wigan after leading for most of the game with 4 Academy debutants playing, and stuffed Leeds away again with a weakened team. With key players likely to return one by one over the next 12 weeks and with a new coach hitting the heights this Wembley finalist needs some respect. Everybody thinking we are not even likely to hit 8th place confirms the lack of respect shown by the big 4 teams. Who have we not beaten in the last 18 months? I'm not necessarily disagreeing with the rest but Hull being THE form team? I don't think the form team of the league would lose 46-6 at Widnes 2 weeks before playing anybody. A Widnesian in Ireland blog What is the best system for Super League? An honest appraisal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MZH Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 I'm not necessarily disagreeing with the rest but Hull being THE form team? I don't think the form team of the league would lose 46-6 at Widnes 2 weeks before playing anybody. You can make a good case for Hull being the form team now. I don't see anyone else on a 4 game winning streak. But going into the KR game we certainly weren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Decimus Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 You can make a good case for Hull being the form team now. I don't see anyone else on a 4 game winning streak. But going into the KR game we certainly weren't. You could indeed but like I said at the time they'd just about arrested a free fall with an unspectacular win against Wakefield. People were even putting down Widnes' start by saying it was against all the bottom clubs, Hull included! A Widnesian in Ireland blog What is the best system for Super League? An honest appraisal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevereed100 Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 When I made my prediction I looked at where I had placed yourselves and Wakefield and thought, "is that fair given their form since the new coaches came in?" But the fact is, there is no easy game these days, and just because I've said Rovers will finish 10th that doesn't mean I think they're a bad team. I mean realistically, over the course of a season are you a better team than Widnes, Cas, Leeds or Salford? Because if we assume you will finish ahead of Wakefield and Hudds, and that Wire, Wigan, Hull, Catalans and Saints are out of reach, that means you are going to have to finish ahead of at least two of them. And even if you think you are better than them, by the end of this weekend you will probably by 7 behind Widnes, 5 behind Salford and 4 behind Cas, and Cas have a game in hand. I'm not saying you can't do it, but it's a big ask. Thanks for a reasoned response. Rovers have 2/3rds of the season left so Widnes Salford and Cas are all possible targets, the bigger problem might be Wakefield! Glad you thought carefully about Rovers but everybody so far have written us off....12th is impossible, people need to forget reputations...Leeds Huddersfield St Helens. I put my money on Leicester pre Xmas as the bookies refused to see the facts and now I will back Rovers to be in the top 8 and then anything is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MZH Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 Thanks for a reasoned response. Rovers have 2/3rds of the season left so Widnes Salford and Cas are all possible targets, the bigger problem might be Wakefield! Glad you thought carefully about Rovers but everybody so far have written us off....12th is impossible, people need to forget reputations...Leeds Huddersfield St Helens. I put my money on Leicester pre Xmas as the bookies refused to see the facts and now I will back Rovers to be in the top 8 and then anything is possible. Wakefield looked like a handy team today. Salford threw everything at them in the second half but they showed great resolve. Isn't it funny how sometimes coaches and clubs just don't suit eachother. Webster was terrible at Wakey, Chester was terrible for you, then they swap and both sides improve tenfold. As I said 8th is achievable, both for you and for Wakefield, but there's a lot of decent teams in this league, and I don't think either will. Ask me again in a month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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