Rant thread

[Spidey]

Watching Amatuer rugby in thunderstorms is not a pleasant experience. 

[getdownmonkeyman]

13 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Watching Amatuer rugby in thunderstorms is not a pleasant experience. 

Probably better than trying to run across the car park of your local farm shop.

[timtum]

9 hours ago, Robin Evans said:

Now i know I'm a silly owd 2@ and my music tastes span 6 decades....

But i was talking to two support workers in their 20s yesterday whilst i was finishing an assessment..... and conversation eventually included music....

Neither had heard of the happy mondays james the charlatans suede or cast.... all they did was stare back at me wondering what on earth i was dribbling on about.

I was gobsmacked.... its not like im asking about the pretty things etc.... 

I felt old.... very old.... 

 

And conversely but still made me feel very old, a fella on a stall near me at a fair today in Ornaisons was sporting a Sleaford Mods T shirt.  He was absolutely astounded when I asked him if his business was going down like BHS.

[DavidM]

Gobby Americans being  totally irritating shouting brain dead stupid things at golf tournaments . Why can’t they chuck the idiots out , it really is an annoying facet of golf there 

Edited June 16, 2018 by DavidM

[Bob8]

On 6/15/2018 at 8:49 PM, ckn said:

Old Testament = angry teenager getting upset if his followers do anything, including cutting their hair.

New Testament = gets a married woman knocked up and suddenly becomes all love and peace.

I will step in as the forum God botherer, although there are many far more being qualified to the forum theologian.

I think the Old Testament is beautiful.  

We have the second creation story, which keeps mentioning that God created the world and saw that it was good.  That can sound banal, but this is reality in which there was hunger, cruelty, slavery and disease.  That the creation is "good" is a deeply mystical one.

But God does seem to punish people who do not do as he wants.  If we swap "God is real" for "Reality is God", that stands true.  If you do not exercise and eat donuts, it is the reality that you are likely to get diabetes and fat.  If you are determined to read it on its lowest level (and to survive it had to be have a level suitable for dimwits and small children), that could be seen as a punishment from a bearded figure on a cloud, but it is certainly the way it is.

A couple of months ago, I really pondered the story of Abraham sacrificing Isaac, as it made no real sense to me.  The moral I had heard was "no sacrificing your children", but that frankly seemed rather obvious and why drag it out for three days.  Self-development is rarely pleasant, it is like having rotten flesh burnt off, at least my impression.

Of course, I am not educated, but it made sense to me personally that this was the story of a man being shaped to be the father of a great nation and spiritual tradition.  That is going to be mixed with the earthly attachments to being a Father, of reproducing your line, of having father son moments and that deep bond and meaning for yourself.  To be made to give up on of that Earthly ambition would not be easy, it would be hideous and painful.  Three days walking through the wilderness with your son in that scenario is enough for some profound development and evaluation and come to terms with ridding of the earthly attachment to fatherhood rather than the spiritual ideal.  Though I put it badly, that makes sense to me.  

And we know that sacrifice of what you most desire is a good thing.  On one level, we have to make sacrifices to succeed.  On another, giving up something we are deeply attached too stops us getting too hung up on such things, it really is psychologically healthy.  

And the New Testament continues.  At the start of the Old Testament, God is very real, people sit around and chat and you can use his toilet.  By the New Testament, he has become remote.  Which is the point at which you have God made man.  Which sounds a long-shot.  But, if we take that God has become an abstract concept only discernible by effects (like virtues and love is), then we have to accept that we speak of its form when it is made manifest.  When someone acts from love, we call it love.  Equally, if someone lives a life in which they see clearly life as it is a speak complete truth then they are both love and God manifest.  He is both a vulnerable man and God, which ties to the beginning of the Old Testament.

Of course, this is unqualified rambling.  Sorry.

Edited June 16, 2018 by Bob8

[Saintslass]

On ‎6‎/‎15‎/‎2018 at 10:17 PM, Bleep1673 said:

Most relegions believe in one God. So why do we fight over it? Prophets are just God's voice to the people.

I would suggest that most people who follow a religion believe in one god but I wouldn't say that most religions believe in one god.

Given that all religions do vary in their theology, some people will fight over their differences which are very important to them as a faith can be deeply held.  

[Bedford Roughyed]

As good a thread as any.  Sounds like the Electoral Commission are closing the stable door -

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jun/26/uk-democracy-under-threat-and-reform-is-urgent-says-electoral-regulator?CMP=share_btn_tw

Quote

The Electoral Commission has called for urgent reforms to electoral law after a series of online political campaign scandals, acknowledging concerns that British democracy “may be under threat”.

 

[Spidey]

Recruitment Agencies

So I was due to a recruitment agency tomorrow for an interview, to determine whether I would be put forward for a role with a “big” company. Got a phone call just now saying, actually we’ve met with the client and they want to see you next Wednesday. I thought to myself good stuff. 

Agency - oh the job has changed slightly it’s no longer a 12 month fixed term contract. It’s a 3-month rolling contract

Me - sorry I’m not interested, it doesn’t give me enough security 

Agency - Oh you’ll be fine it always renews

Me - you say that but the company could cancel it anyway

Agency - But if you’re capable you’ll be fine

Me - Sorry still not interested

Agency - Have you got anything else in the pipeline

Me - yes two roles in Manchester

Agency - But this is local (role is in Speke)

Me - Not really I live in Warrington

 

The role itself I could do but the salary is much less than other companies and at no point would they divulge who I’d be working for, add in the 3-month contract - I just don’t see the appeal. Sticking to my guns and concentrating on the roles in Manchester

Those two roles were through small agencies. The one above was from a big national organisation. Must just be that office as I’ve dealt with other people from that company just fine. 

 

[ckn]

26 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Recruitment Agencies

So I was due to a recruitment agency tomorrow for an interview, to determine whether I would be put forward for a role with a “big” company. Got a phone call just now saying, actually we’ve met with the client and they want to see you next Wednesday. I thought to myself good stuff. 

Agency - oh the job has changed slightly it’s no longer a 12 month fixed term contract. It’s a 3-month rolling contract

Me - sorry I’m not interested, it doesn’t give me enough security 

Agency - Oh you’ll be fine it always renews

Me - you say that but the company could cancel it anyway

Agency - But if you’re capable you’ll be fine

Me - Sorry still not interested

Agency - Have you got anything else in the pipeline

Me - yes two roles in Manchester

Agency - But this is local (role is in Speke)

Me - Not really I live in Warrington

 

The role itself I could do but the salary is much less than other companies and at no point would they divulge who I’d be working for, add in the 3-month contract - I just don’t see the appeal. Sticking to my guns and concentrating on the roles in Manchester

Those two roles were through small agencies. The one above was from a big national organisation. Must just be that office as I’ve dealt with other people from that company just fine. 

 

When I was made redundant last year I spent far too much time with recruitment agencies to absolutely no success.  It was only when I retrenched back to my contacts that I started getting a sniff of work.

Agencies are too terrified of losing work that they cave on every employer demand without push-back about how they're making things difficult.

[Bob8]

I switched by Linkedin account to available and started adding agents.

Nothing.

Then, one hunted me out.  We spoke on the phone and he asked lots of relevant questions.  He was open about whom he would be speaking to, as it seemed likely that I might be connected in someway and he had to trust be not to go behind his back.

He has just had another look at my Linkedin, presumably to check something.

He seems to be actually good so far.

[Spidey]

1 hour ago, Bob8 said:

I switched by Linkedin account to available and started adding agents.

Nothing.

Then, one hunted me out.  We spoke on the phone and he asked lots of relevant questions.  He was open about whom he would be speaking to, as it seemed likely that I might be connected in someway and he had to trust be not to go behind his back.

He has just had another look at my Linkedin, presumably to check something.

He seems to be actually good so far.

I use LinkedIn but I’ve had loads of recruiters get in touch, I reply then nothing. So don’t know how to identify genuine enquiries from the spam.

One fella, a direct recruiter from a company got in touch about a role, I had to remind him that he interviewed me last month (about a different role) who knocked me back. I then asked was I the right fit for the company - he didn’t reply 

Edited June 26, 2018 by Spidey

[MattSantos]

People who pile in and out lifts without looking up from their sodding mobile phones.

Fantastic imagery of picking one of them up, spear tackling them into the ground and then screaming over them to play the ball! 

Everyone claps and i get picked for England, we win the World Cup etc etc

 

[DavidM]

Nanny state-ism is exemplified by the weather ... when it’s snowing sage grandparent like newsreaders tell you to wrap up warm , put provisions in your car but don’t travel far , wear a hat etc etc and now when it’s sunny they tell you the bleeding obvious on the other side of the coin . BBC especially love all this common sense routine rubbish . Individual responsibility is long gone it seems 

[Bleep1673]

On 6/16/2018 at 4:51 PM, Spidey said:

Watching Amatuer rugby in thunderstorms is not a pleasant experience. 

From memory, playing in one isn't much fun either. I remember playing for Irlam Hornets in a National Cup game against some side from Huddersfield & it was snowing so heavily the kickers couldn't see the goal posts.

[heartofGold]

If you're complaining about the heat and you complained about the snow then there's one hell of a slap coming your way

[SSoutherner]

On 6/26/2018 at 11:29 AM, Spidey said:

Recruitment Agencies

So I was due to a recruitment agency tomorrow for an interview, to determine whether I would be put forward for a role with a “big” company. Got a phone call just now saying, actually we’ve met with the client and they want to see you next Wednesday. I thought to myself good stuff. 

Agency - oh the job has changed slightly it’s no longer a 12 month fixed term contract. It’s a 3-month rolling contract

Me - sorry I’m not interested, it doesn’t give me enough security 

Agency - Oh you’ll be fine it always renews

Me - you say that but the company could cancel it anyway

Agency - But if you’re capable you’ll be fine

Me - Sorry still not interested

Agency - Have you got anything else in the pipeline

Me - yes two roles in Manchester

Agency - But this is local (role is in Speke)

Me - Not really I live in Warrington

 

The role itself I could do but the salary is much less than other companies and at no point would they divulge who I’d be working for, add in the 3-month contract - I just don’t see the appeal. Sticking to my guns and concentrating on the roles in Manchester

Those two roles were through small agencies. The one above was from a big national organisation. Must just be that office as I’ve dealt with other people from that company just fine. 

 

As someone with knowledge of recruitment law - they broke it.

 

Even prior to the GDPR (which is whole new kettle of fish on sending of your personal details without identifying where it is going), the Conduct of Employment Agencies and Employment Businesses 2003 states that when you propose a work seeker to a hirer they must

Reg 21

i)it gives to the work-seeker (whether orally or otherwise) all information it has been provided with about the matters referred to in paragraphs (a) to (e) and, where applicable, paragraph (f) of regulation 18;

 

When you look at reg 18 

 

18.  Neither an agency nor an employment business may introduce or supply a work-seeker to a hirer unless the agency or employment business has obtained sufficient information from the hirer to select a suitable work-seeker for the position which the hirer seeks to fill, including the following information—

(a)the identity of the hirer and, if applicable, the nature of the hirer’s business;

(b)the date on which the hirer requires a work-seeker to commence work and the duration, or likely duration, of the work;

(c)the position which the hirer seeks to fill, including the type of work a work-seeker in that position would be required to do, the location at which and the hours during which he would be required to work and any risks to health or safety known to the hirer and what steps the hirer has taken to prevent or control such risks;

(d)the experience, training, qualifications and any authorisation which the hirer considers are necessary, or which are required by law, or by any professional body, for a work-seeker to possess in order to work in the position;

(e)any expenses payable by or to the work-seeker; and

(f)in the case of an agency—

(i)the minimum rate of remuneration and any other benefits which the hirer would offer to a person in the position which it seeks to fill, and the intervals at which the person would be paid; and

(ii)where applicable, the length of notice which a work-seeker in such a position would be required to give, and entitled to receive, to terminate the employment with the hirer.

Also where given orally this is all meant to be followed up in writing within 3 days

[timtum]

3 hours ago, heartofGold said:

If you're complaining about the heat and you complained about the snow then there's one hell of a slap coming your way

 

Mme Saucisse has booked her holiday for a couple of weeks here in France in August.

 

It will be hot.  I will moan about it being hot.  She will moan about me moaning that it is hot.  Repeat to fade.....

 

[Phil]

Moving house, just that, moving, bloody, house,

Aaaaaaargh!!!!!!

[ckn]

My AA membership has gone up from £11 a month to £31.87 a month.  "You don't need for you to do anything as you pay by direct debit".

Yes, yes there is, cancel.

And I've been on hold to their cancellation department for 20 minutes.

[ckn]

24 minutes ago, ckn said:

My AA membership has gone up from £11 a month to £31.87 a month.  "You don't need for you to do anything as you pay by direct debit".

Yes, yes there is, cancel.

And I've been on hold to their cancellation department for 20 minutes.

AA price restored. Apparently the letter is auto generated and you have to call each year to keep discount. 

I’d have cancelled out of principle if I didn’t think the others were just as morally challenged. 

[DavidM]

3 minutes ago, ckn said:

AA price restored. Apparently the letter is auto generated and you have to call each year to keep discount. 

I’d have cancelled out of principle if I didn’t think the others were just as morally challenged. 

That seems a bit rum that . Putting it on the customer to act . What about the folk who don’t ? 

[Futtocks]

2 minutes ago, DavidM said:

That seems a bit rum that . Putting it on the customer to act . What about the folk who don’t ? 

Par for the course these days, from what I've heard.

[ckn]

5 minutes ago, DavidM said:

That seems a bit rum that . Putting it on the customer to act . What about the folk who don’t ? 

They pay the mug’s price. Happens for everything from car breakdown cover to domestic fuel. 

[DavidM]

3 minutes ago, ckn said:

They pay the mug’s price. Happens for everything from car breakdown cover to domestic fuel. 

I had something similar with my internet provider before I decided to leave and suddenly found out I was a much valued customer who they’d do a deal for ... to late after raking it off me for years , I still left 

[Wiltshire Rhino]

6 hours ago, heartofGold said:

If you're complaining about the heat and you complained about the snow then there's one hell of a slap coming your way

Here's my cheek, slap away!