Phil Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Yes, because believing in sky pixies who tell you what you can and cannot eat and touch is so 21st century isn't it? I think you're missing Bleep's point "Freedom without socialism is privilege and injustice, socialism without freedom is slavery and brutality" - Mikhail Bakunin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyXIII Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Yes, because believing in sky pixies who tell you what you can and cannot eat and touch is so 21st century isn't it? Sorry, but I think you just let yourself down there, Griff. We may not all believe in a God figure, but billions do. As an atheist, I would never belittle someone's faith. As long as they accord me the same respect, they can get on with their lives as they see fit. If that means they don't eat pig meat, fine. Just don't try to stop me enjoying a pork chop. Rethymno Rugby League Appreciation Society Founder (and, so far, only) member. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearman Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 As I get older I got more and more intollerent. Why do the majority have to pander to minorities? If people want to have their weird tenets and beliefs they should not try and foist them on the rest of society. If they feel that strongly about the handling of tainted money they could always tell the person offering it to put it in the charity box. Ron Banks Midlands Hurricanes and Barrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramite Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Tallow is in thousands of products candles , crayons even plastic carrier bags not sure why this is suddenly a story or why the outrage over a fiver and nothing else. Does make me wonder how the news cycle starts. Homer: How is education supposed to make me feel smarter? Besides, every time I learn something new, it pushes some old stuff out of my brain. Remember when I took that home winemaking course, and I forgot how to drive? [ i]Mr. Burns: Woah, slow down there maestro. There's a *New* Mexico?[/i] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futtocks Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Tallow is in thousands of products candles , crayons even plastic carrier bags not sure why this is suddenly a story or why the outrage over a fiver and nothing else. Does make me wonder how the news cycle starts. Vegans/vegetarians can pick and choose their products when it comes to the other stuff (and they do, if they are genuine about it and not just trying to be annoying and attention-seeking), but cash is a bit more universal. Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted. Ralph Waldo Emerson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramite Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 I'm not sure they could it's in soap , carpet , toothpaste, cleaning products , clothes that's all pretty universal. How would you check all that ? Homer: How is education supposed to make me feel smarter? Besides, every time I learn something new, it pushes some old stuff out of my brain. Remember when I took that home winemaking course, and I forgot how to drive? [ i]Mr. Burns: Woah, slow down there maestro. There's a *New* Mexico?[/i] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futtocks Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 I'm not sure they could it's in soap , carpet , toothpaste, cleaning products , clothes that's all pretty universal. How would you check all that ? I know several vegetarians who carefully check the ingredients/contents on any packaging, and also source specialist products from guaranteed 'safe' sources. I don't know any vegans, but I assume they have to be even more vigilant. It's not my thing, but you can tell the proper veggies by the care they take, as opposed to the fakes who just say they are to irritate/inconvenience the rest of us. You can take it too far though. In Mark Ellen's autobiography, he remembers touring with Steel Pulse, who were so militantly vegetarian, they refused to eat in any restaurant where meat had ever been served. Not just the current restaurant on those premises, but since the building was erected. Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted. Ralph Waldo Emerson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramite Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 Must be very time consuming finding out about soap in public toilets , clothes that make no mention of tallow , plastics that you would touch every day . If I made a list of items that I touched that could contain tallow or any other animal by product then tried to find out exactly what the manufacturer or the manufacturers suppliers used I think it would be life exhausting. Homer: How is education supposed to make me feel smarter? Besides, every time I learn something new, it pushes some old stuff out of my brain. Remember when I took that home winemaking course, and I forgot how to drive? [ i]Mr. Burns: Woah, slow down there maestro. There's a *New* Mexico?[/i] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 Must be very time consuming finding out about soap in public toilets , clothes that make no mention of tallow , plastics that you would touch every day . If I made a list of items that I touched that could contain tallow or any other animal by product then tried to find out exactly what the manufacturer or the manufacturers suppliers used I think it would be life exhausting. One of the vegans I mentioned earlier lives exactly like that - he knows there are some things he can't control (for soap in public places though he carries his own alternative) but where he can he does, and where he knows in advance he tries to avoid or find alternatives. There are lists and groups that work these things out and provide 'safe' lists. He knew, for example, the day that Mars bars went from being 'safe' to using a new product in their processing that meant they weren't. As an aside, Vice worked out that for all the tallow required for every note planned to be in circulation you would need a little over half a cow's worth of fat. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidingPie Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 As an aside, Vice worked out that for all the tallow required for every note planned to be in circulation you would need a little over half a cow's worth of fat. Which really makes me think this is a storm in a teacup. People can easily avoid fivers. Apple Pay, contactless cards etc are all making hard cash less relevant, and most places accept the now! Even my local pub and takeaway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Reatham Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 It's about having a choice. If you're given change containing one of the new notes or receive one when getting cash out of a machine, the choice is removed. BTW, there are lots and lots of soaps/shower gels etc that are marked as vegetarian or vegan friendly. Original Source, for example, is approved by the Vegan Socitey (as far as I know). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidingPie Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 Yes but they have a choice. If they pay by Apple Pay or contactless or any of a fair few different options they won't get change to worry about. If we pander to it the notes would cost more. I really don't see the problem. Should society pander to every minor lifestyle or religious choice? Tolerant yes! Pandering no! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff9of13 Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 Sorry, but I think you just let yourself down there, Griff. We may not all believe in a God figure, but billions do. As an atheist, I would never belittle someone's faith. As long as they accord me the same respect, they can get on with their lives as they see fit. If that means they don't eat pig meat, fine. Just don't try to stop me enjoying a pork chop. Perhaps you're right; I do normally try to steer away from belittling peoples beliefs, no matter how misguided. But in this case my response was more aimed at Bleep's association of totalitarian medieval belief systems and practices with 21st century tolerism. "it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyXIII Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 Perhaps you're right; I do normally try to steer away from belittling peoples beliefs, no matter how misguided. But in this case my response was more aimed at Bleep's association of totalitarian medieval belief systems and practices with 21st century tolerism. Ah! Bleep's associations! To quote a line from Fawlty Towers, "There's enough material there for an entire conference." No offence meant, Bleep. Your association with Swinton is harmless. Rethymno Rugby League Appreciation Society Founder (and, so far, only) member. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 What's the problem? Until the new fiver, there was a shortage because ATMs didn't dispense them so people were used to using two pound and one pound coins. If you don't like the new fiver, just use coins or contactless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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