Phil Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Ok I've nothing to prove to anyone about my anti racist and left wing credentials and I have a healthy dislike of the police, but armed drug dealers are not working class heroes, they're #### who prey on the working class, no tears or outrage here. "Freedom without socialism is privilege and injustice, socialism without freedom is slavery and brutality" - Mikhail Bakunin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Evans Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Absobloodylutely!!! "I love our club, absolutely love it". (Overton, M 2007) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westlondonfan Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Ok I've nothing to prove to anyone about my anti racist and left wing credentials and I have a healthy dislike of the police, but armed drug dealers are not working class heroes, they're #### who prey on the working class, no tears or outrage here. True but the BBC documentary about Mark Duggan is very interesting nevertheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 4, 2017 Author Share Posted January 4, 2017 And why is S c u m asterisked out? It's hardly or is it? "Freedom without socialism is privilege and injustice, socialism without freedom is slavery and brutality" - Mikhail Bakunin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Evans Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 One local sh ithouse got collared by the police after a raid. Never worked in his life but owned a series 7 BMW. Had an estimated 100k opiates in his house and all the gubbins for dealing. He kicked of during the raid and was restrained n cuffed. The reaction was astonishing. You'd think this sh ithouse was an hero providing essential community services.... but this is Rawmarsh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedford Roughyed Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Shouldn't it be 'suspected armed drug dealer' as he hasn't been convicted of anything? As for the 'hero' worship, this has always been the case hasn't it (The krays? etc). Us against the police, against the man, etc. Despite as you say doing more damage to themselves, they are no Robin Hoods thats for sure! With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 9 minutes ago, Bedford Roughyed said: (The krays? etc). They loved their mum they did. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 15 minutes ago, Bedford Roughyed said: Shouldn't it be 'suspected armed drug dealer' as he hasn't been convicted of anything? As for the 'hero' worship, this has always been the case hasn't it (The krays? etc). Us against the police, against the man, etc. Despite as you say doing more damage to themselves, they are no Robin Hoods thats for sure! No it shouldn't. He's dead so no fear of prejudicing his trial. I'm certainly a critic of the police in so many ways, but I fully support them when they are working to catch people like this. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/04/family-man-shot-dead-police-join-mp-appeal-calm-protests/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 27 minutes ago, Bedford Roughyed said: Shouldn't it be 'suspected armed drug dealer' as he hasn't been convicted of anything? As for the 'hero' worship, this has always been the case hasn't it (The krays? etc). Us against the police, against the man, etc. Despite as you say doing more damage to themselves, they are no Robin Hoods thats for sure! It does annoy me that its being made out as if he's some common Man's hero and has got thousands protesting. Simply untrue on both counts. Always makes me laugh when family say he was "no angel". Well evidently not otherwise armed police wouldn't be after him and he wouldn't be driving a lamborghini without some employment. I think Chris sums up this rather well http://www.theladbible.com/news/news-father-shot-dead-by-police-on-motorway-accused-of-being-drug-dealer-20170104 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futtocks Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 I did jury duty on a murder case a few months ago. After it was over, I searched for articles on the incident. Judging by the initial reports, you'd have thought the victim was some angelic, philanthropic paragon. It turned out he was a very nasty piece of work indeed. Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted. Ralph Waldo Emerson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Its started: The Black Lives Matter movement ( which of course, they do) in Britain have also used Yaqub's death to fundraise after suggesting his death was racially motivated.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4090258/This-thought-happens-America-not-Father-self-styled-Stud-Badboy-says-police-executed-son-likens-death-Mark-Duggan-s-family-demand-justice-roadside-vigil.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckn Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, JohnM said: Its started: The Black Lives Matter movement ( which of course, they do) in Britain have also used Yaqub's death to fundraise after suggesting his death was racially motivated.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4090258/This-thought-happens-America-not-Father-self-styled-Stud-Badboy-says-police-executed-son-likens-death-Mark-Duggan-s-family-demand-justice-roadside-vigil.html They demand justice? OK, start a Proceeds of Crime investigation into where all his money went then, see how keen they are for the forensic accountants to start asking questions about where some of their things came from. "When in deadly danger, when beset by doubt; run in little circles, wave your arms and shout" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brooza Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 3 hours ago, JohnM said: No it shouldn't. He's dead so no fear of prejudicing his trial. I'm certainly a critic of the police in so many ways, but I fully support them when they are working to catch people like this. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/04/family-man-shot-dead-police-join-mp-appeal-calm-protests/ That URL really does not match the story Check out upcoming international fixtures and highlights of past matches at http://rlfixtures.weebly.com St Albans Centurions International Liaison Officer and former Medway Dragons Wheelchair RL player.Leeds Rhinos, St Albans Centurions y Griffons Madrid fan. Also follow (to a lesser extent) Catalans Dragons, London Broncos, South Sydney Rabbitohs, Jacksonville Axemen, Vrchlabi Mad Squirrels, København Black Swans, Red Star Belgrade and North Hertfordshire Crusaders.Moderator of the International board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amber Avenger Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 One thing that baffled me - why did some of the protesters (at least the ones I saw on the news) feel it necessary to hide their identity with balaclavas? "I believe the Police shouldn't shoot anyone so much, I'm not willing to put my identity to it". More to the case than that I'm sure, but at it's core, hardly a controversial statement. SQL Honours Play off mini league winner - 2002. Bronze Medalist - 2003. Big Split Group Winner - 2006. Minor Stupidship - 2005, 2006. Cup Silver Medalist - 2008, 2009 CHAMPION - 2005, 2009, 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 It is good that the police never do anything to innocent people ever. They should definitely be allowed to shoot bad sorts because they want to. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 As I said, its started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 21 minutes ago, JohnM said: As I said, its started. Look, we all know that if you're innocent you have nothing to fear from our police force. They have never been shown to have shot the wrong man, framed someone, acted as enforcers for one gang against another, or behaved in anyway that is dishonest. Best not to ask questions and just nod along, eh? Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 16 minutes ago, Johnoco said: I'd actually prefer a corrupt police force that occasionally does bad things, than an impotent one that 'empathises' with a mob that is kicking their wing mirrors off. Of the two, I'd prefer neither. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedford Roughyed Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Without any investigation? Chances are he was a rum un. But as the Duggan case showed there can be some inconsistencies between the initial story and what was shown to happen later. If he had a gun in his hand, then its tough luck. If there was a gun in the car, that isn't a death warrant. We aint the Philippines. With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 We don't actually know what happened. An investigation is currently taking place. We will know at some point. Meantime, For me, one less drug dealer on our streets is a result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futtocks Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Ideally, I'd have preferred him taken alive and tried, so he'd have to watch as his ill-gotten assets were sold off to fund the common good. But I'm sure more details will emerge about the shooting and we can make our minds up about what actually happened. At the moment, I don't know enough. Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted. Ralph Waldo Emerson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedford Roughyed Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 58 minutes ago, Johnoco said: Why would you have a gun in your car? Having a gun in a car is not a death sentence. It's 5+ years in jail. (unless you are in the SAS, then you get a free pass). With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrywebbisgod Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Some utter Shiite posted on here. He was part of a targeted operation. So the police knew about him and his "activities". Doesn't strike me as the Angel his family are making him out to be. If he was a drug dealer then death is the best thing for him and his pondlife ilk. Thank you for your valuable contribution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 He's a role model! http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/m62-police-shooting-balloons-candlelit-9566150 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Look North reports there is no police video. Why didn't they have a camera there? They're quick to show on TV pictures from their dash cameras, so why not on this occasion? “Few thought him even a starter.There were many who thought themselves smarter. But he ended PM, CH and OM. An Earl and a Knight of the Garter.” Clement Attlee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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