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This is a grey area - it was a fact that there was such a poll (so it wasn't an alternative fact) but a full check may suggest the unreliability of the poll.

Of course all polls these days are massively unreliable, no matter the sample size or the statistical brilliance of the analysts as people have clearly decide to lie or obfuscate on their true intentions.

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On ‎23‎/‎01‎/‎2017 at 4:50 PM, Bedford Roughyed said:

Huffiest reporting the tories are giving up (they will run token candidate) on Stoke and are going all in on Copeland. 

 

Picked Jack Brereton for Stoke, a 25 year old local. Young he may be but already been a local councillor for 5 years.

Picked Judy Harrison for Copeland, Ex-Sellafield worker who's pro-nuclear and pro-Brexit

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41 minutes ago, RidingPie said:

It's interesting that UKIP and the Conservatives seem happy to stand aside for each other (Goldsmith's by-election) but the left won't do that. 

That’s because UKIP is a natural (rightwards) extension of the tory party. I’ve said it before, but I struggle to understand why people who have left wing views and voted (mostly) Labour their entire lives would leap-frog the (comparatively) central right wing tory party to its more extreme extension in UKIP.

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On 1/25/2017 at 9:26 AM, nadera78 said:

It seems the Tories are only putting a token effort into Stoke, knowing their support will go to UKIP, and are focusing instead on Copeland.

It's interesting that in Copeland the CLP ignored the candidate being supported by Corbyn's henchmen and went with a Dr with links to the nuclear industry - the obvious line of attack will be the future of the NHS, and it perhaps negates the Corbyn/nuclear line. Will be interesting to see if Stoke CLP does the same or if they go with a Corbynista.

Stoke-on-Trent members select former council chief to tackle UKIP in by-election
http://labourlist.org/2017/01/stoke-members-select-former-council-chief-for-by-election/

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16 minutes ago, Griff9of13 said:

That’s because UKIP is a natural (rightwards) extension of the tory party. I’ve said it before, but I struggle to understand why people who have left wing views and voted (mostly) Labour their entire lives would leap-frog the (comparatively) central right wing tory party to its more extreme extension in UKIP.

It's because when there was just Labour v Conservative people could align themselves with Labour as being workers v bosses, poor people vs toffs regardless of their views on foreigners, death penalty etc. that wouldn't fit with the overall Labour position. Now UKIP offers them the chance to vote for a non-toff party (at least they've convinced a lot of people that they aren't) that also aligns with their views on immigration and related social issues which would be considered "right wing".

"I am the avenging angel; I come with wings unfurled, I come with claws extended from halfway round the world. I am the God Almighty, I am the howling wind. I care not for your family; I care not for your kin. I come in search of terror, though terror is my own; I come in search of vengeance for crimes and crimes unknown. I care not for your children, I care not for your wives, I care not for your country, I care not for your lives." - (c) Jim Boyes - "The Avenging Angel"

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Eddie Hitler has rented an empty house for a short while in Stoke so he can put the address on his ballot paper and claim he's a local resident.

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8 minutes ago, Griff9of13 said:

Eddie Hitler has rented an empty house for a short while in Stoke so he can put the address on his ballot paper and claim he's a local resident.

Some suggestions that as he's never been to the house, that he can't legally call it home.  Has he committed electoral fraud already?

With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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3 minutes ago, Bedford Roughyed said:

Some suggestions that as he's never been to the house, that he can't legally call it home.  Has he committed electoral fraud already?

He does have problems with paperwork, doesn't he?

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I hate to say this but possibly the best thing that could happen long term in both constituencies is for Labour to lose.  Maybe then Corbyn will get the message.

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Just now, Trojan said:

I hate to say this but possibly the best thing that could happen long term in both constituencies is for Labour to lose.  Maybe then Corbyn will get the message.

Or preferably, the boot.

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2 hours ago, Trojan said:

I hate to say this but possibly the best thing that could happen long term in both constituencies is for Labour to lose.  Maybe then Corbyn will get the message.

I get the horrible impression that he's immune. The people around him are so desperate to maintain their project that they'll find ways to keep him going.

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3 hours ago, Trojan said:

I hate to say this but possibly the best thing that could happen long term in both constituencies is for Labour to lose.  Maybe then Corbyn will get the message.

I agree with your sentiments wholeheartedly , however as someone has already said , he wont give up until hes driven the Labour Party into oblivion. Hes a rich kid just playing at it .

Ive voted Labour all my life for last 44 years, but when he was elected as Labour Leader i immediately wrote to my local MP Debbie Abrahams and told her not to accept his offer of a cabinat post when all others turned it down, as Corbyn is totally UNELECTABLE. For one reason he's only very slightly looks better than Micheal Foot did when he was Leader. He looks a right ###### wearing that stupid cap from 1972 i'sh, but the main reasion is he needs spare time to act his role as the new FOGGY in the latest series of Last Of The Summer Wine.

All that being said, the main reason i will never vote Labour again ( whilst hes the leader ) is the fact that hes said he will never threaten or use the nuclear deterent, or even send in the armed forces to fight. So in essence welcome in Mr Putin , or even Mr Trump for that matter. So i could never vote for any Party whos leader would not put up a fight, against ANYONE at all. On top of all that he expects all his Labour MP's to vote as he ( the whip ) tells them, this coming from a man who has voted against THE Labour party on over 400 occasions whilst hes been a backbench MP. He never gave any loyalty whatsoever to he party, enough said i think. A lot of his socialist views i can agree with, but even if i agree with 99% of his views / policies , i can NOT vote for a man with his Defence beliefs never mind him being a traitor to his own party on over 400 ocasions.

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3 hours ago, Trojan said:

I hate to say this but possibly the best thing that could happen long term in both constituencies is for Labour to lose.  Maybe then Corbyn will get the message.

I agree with your sentiments wholeheartedly , however as someone has already said , he wont give up until hes driven the Labour Party into oblivion. Hes a rich kid just playing at it .

Ive voted Labour all my life for last 44 years, but when he was elected as Labour Leader i immediately wrote to my local MP Debbie Abrahams and told her not to accept his offer of a cabinat post when all others turned it down, as Corbyn is totally UNELECTABLE. For one reason he's only very slightly looks better than Micheal Foot did when he was Leader. He looks a right ###### wearing that stupid cap from 1972 i'sh, but the main reasion is he needs spare time to act his role as the new FOGGY in the latest series of Last Of The Summer Wine.

All that being said, the main reason i will never vote Labour again ( whilst hes the leader ) is the fact that hes said he will never threaten or use the nuclear deterent, or even send in the armed forces to fight. So in essence welcome in Mr Putin , or even Mr Trump for that matter. So i could never vote for any Party whos leader would not put up a fight, against ANYONE at all. On top of all that he expects all his Labour MP's to vote as he ( the whip ) tells them, this coming from a man who has voted against THE Labour party on over 400 occasions whilst hes been a backbench MP. He never gave any loyalty whatsoever to he party, enough said i think. A lot of his socialist views i can agree with, but even if i agree with 99% of his views / policies , i can NOT vote for a man with his Defence beliefs never mind him being a traitor to his own party on over 400 occasions.

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I do love the fact that Nutall had to stay in a house with no furniture, no bed, probably no heating just because Michael Crick doorstepped him.  

With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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Paul Nuttall has got Carter-Ruck on the case.

(the case being Hillsborough and whether he was there).

With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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5 hours ago, Bedford Roughyed said:

Paul Nuttall has got Carter-Ruck on the case.

(the case being Hillsborough and whether he was there).

It seems that if he was there that he didn't mention the fact to other members of his school, including teachers, who went, has never mentioned it members of Hillsborough groups that has met, or close friends who knew him at the time (and subsequently).  Which seems a little odd.  Given that was 12 you have to assume that someone actually remembers taking him as well.

He's also, despite his image of a working class hero, never campaigned on behalf of the victims.

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4 hours ago, gingerjon said:

It seems that if he was there that he didn't mention the fact to other members of his school, including teachers, who went, has never mentioned it members of Hillsborough groups that has met, or close friends who knew him at the time (and subsequently).  Which seems a little odd.  Given that was 12 you have to assume that someone actually remembers taking him as well.

He's also, despite his image of a working class hero, never campaigned on behalf of the victims.

If it wasn't for the PhD, professional football career and housing issue in Stoke we'd have no reason to doubt his version of events!

If found to be lying about Hillsbrough I do hope the good people of Liverpool do the decent thing and hurl him in the Mersey with concrete boots on!

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3 minutes ago, shrek said:

If it wasn't for the PhD, professional football career and housing issue in Stoke we'd have no reason to doubt his version of events!

If found to be lying about Hillsbrough I do hope the good people of Liverpool do the decent thing and hurl him in the Mersey with concrete boots on!

For the way the people of Liverpool are often portrayed, it is notable that Kelvin MacKenzie has no need for protection.

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28 minutes ago, shrek said:

If it wasn't for the PhD, professional football career and housing issue in Stoke we'd have no reason to doubt his version of events!

If found to be lying about Hillsbrough I do hope the good people of Liverpool do the decent thing and hurl him in the Mersey with concrete boots on!

 

23 minutes ago, Bob8 said:

For the way the people of Liverpool are often portrayed, it is notable that Kelvin MacKenzie has no need for protection.

The general reaction of the people of Merseyside to Mr Nuttall is to point and laugh and call him a "bad Bootle meff". If it does turn out to be yet another lie from him then he may find he has a need for that hose in Stoke.

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I actually think Stoke could be make or break for UKIPS ambitions to challenge Labour in the northern urban towns and cities. The country is still in a brexit honeymoon period where any negative effects are yet to really kick in. UKIP are on a high following the leave result and Labour are at (hopefully) their lowest ebb in my lifetime, and they are fielding their only recognisable candidate with anything resembling a working class background. If they can't win under those circumstances in a place like Stoke, natural UKIP territory, they are going to really struggle elsewhere. Especially if they can't find another rich backer soon.

They could really find themselves in financial trouble soon as I've heard that the EU are investigating Farage and Co for defrauding them of millions of Euros. 

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3 hours ago, Griff9of13 said:

They could really find themselves in financial trouble soon as I've heard that the EU are investigating Farage and Co for defrauding them of millions of Euros. 

How funny would that be?

Just a pity they didn't do it a year or so ago.

 

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3 hours ago, Griff9of13 said:

I actually think Stoke could be make or break for UKIPS ambitions to challenge Labour in the northern urban towns and cities. The country is still in a brexit honeymoon period where any negative effects are yet to really kick in. UKIP are on a high following the leave result and Labour are at (hopefully) their lowest ebb in my lifetime, and they are fielding their only recognisable candidate with anything resembling a working class background. If they can't win under those circumstances in a place like Stoke, natural UKIP territory, they are going to really struggle elsewhere. Especially if they can't find another rich backer soon.

Nuttall will definitely be under lots of pressure, his first by-election as leader, first test of the 'northern tactics', strong leave seat, Labour on record low polling, etc.  If he can't make a breakthrough here?  

With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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1 hour ago, Bedford Roughyed said:

Nuttall will definitely be under lots of pressure, his first by-election as leader, first test of the 'northern tactics', strong leave seat, Labour on record low polling, etc.  If he can't make a breakthrough here?  

Any polls anywhere about Stoke?

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18 minutes ago, GeordieSaint said:

Any polls anywhere about Stoke?

Not seen any that come from reputable sources yet.

With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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