Number 16 Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Story here Funding here If this is true then the whole rotten lot at the RFL should GO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingking Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Sport England have just released the list of the amounts of money they are allocating to each sport to facilitate the growth of sporting culture in England. Rugby League has not been given a penny. Union, golf, sailing and tennis (all sports not known for being short of a bob or two) collectively receive a whopping £35million to develop their sports. Even decidedly minority interests such as wrestling and orienteering emerge from the process with the best part of a million to play with. Does anyone know the criteria which influenced the outcome of the awards? How come Rugby League is one of the big losers in this allocation, together with ice hockey and American football? Is Sport England following a policy of not providing funding for contact sports as a deliberate policy? Is one consideration in their decision making to avoid being sued for concussion related conditions? It is telling that part of their justification for union's funding allocation is "For those that like rugby but not the full contact version, the RFU will create more opportunities to play informal, social and non-contact touch rugby, including more chances to play rugby sevens around the country." Is there an institutional bias against rugby league? https://www.sportengland.org/news-and-features/news/2017/february/06/further-funding-to-keep-nation-active/ https://www.sportengland.org/media/11539/2017-21-national-governing-bodies-of-sport-funding-feb-2017.pdf https://www.sportengland.org/media/11536/2017-21-national-governing-bodies-of-sport-funding-dec-2016.pdf https://www.sportengland.org/news-and-features/news/2016/december/16/major-new-funding-to-keep-nation-active/ www.twitter.com/flyingking2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scubby Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 25 minutes ago, Number 16 said: Story here Funding here If this is true then the whole rotten lot at the RFL should GO. This is awful news but I am not surprised. You can't fudge Sport England with some of the faux information that has been peddled out from the RFL recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellsy4HullFC Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 It's most likely due to the RFL not hitting anywhere near their targets. Sport England are all about participation numbers and from what I've read (admittedly, not in great detail at all so could be completely wrong) we've been poor in most areas for participation numbers. They aren't going to invest in us if we're not getting people active. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scubby Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Just now, Wellsy4HullFC said: It's most likely due to the RFL not hitting anywhere near their targets. Sport England are all about participation numbers and from what I've read (admittedly, not in great detail at all so could be completely wrong) we've been poor in most areas for participation numbers. They aren't going to invest in us if we're not getting people active. Cutting staff and development officers is really going to help in this regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastLondonMike Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 We have no plan for growth. Hardly surprising we don't get anything from Sport England. Newham Dockers - Champions 2013. Rugby League For East London. 100% Cockney Rugby League!Twitter: @NewhamDockersRL - Get following! www.newhamdockers.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellsy4HullFC Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 3 minutes ago, Scubby said: Cutting staff and development officers is really going to help in this regard. If there's not already an effective plan in place to use what they have, or a strategy to use more, why are they going to waste money funding us when they can get more people participating in other sports for less money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Has it been confirmed that we wont get a penny as that seems quite a big story? Is this the standard funding? Have we gone from millions to zero? It seems strange that that hasnt been picked up on, considering when we lost c1m last time it was a major story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 3 minutes ago, EastLondonMike said: We have no plan for growth. Hardly surprising we don't get anything from Sport England. Is that true? We have no plan for growth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwalker71 Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 The two threads need merging Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scubby Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, Dave T said: Has it been confirmed that we wont get a penny as that seems quite a big story? Is this the standard funding? Have we gone from millions to zero? It seems strange that that hasnt been picked up on, considering when we lost c1m last time it was a major story. Phil Caplan has just mentioned on a RL Radio programme that RL will be in the next tranche of Sports England (Easter?) but the money will go down drastically best case scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yosser Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 In 2008 RL got over 29 million from sport England. That would fund a lot of development officers. It becomes self funding. The more you spent on development, the more participants you have, the more money you get from Sport England. It's a no brainer. The development officers in effect pay for themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwalker71 Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 I'll be interested to see how the RFL respond to this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 They announced some in December, more now and another lot at Easter according to Scubby above - maybe there is nothing to comment on yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 6 minutes ago, Yosser said: In 2008 RL got over 29 million from sport England. That would fund a lot of development officers. It becomes self funding. The more you spent on development, the more participants you have, the more money you get from Sport England. It's a no brainer. The development officers in effect pay for themselves. Whilst that is a good principle, with that funding they did employ a load of dev officers - the fact they lost money next time suggests its not as simple as just hiring a load of dev officers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleD Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 There's been a shift in how Sport England will be distributing money going forwards, away from big sports who have generally not used the money well, to more focused areas. Some of this will be going direct, so to things like foundations etc where Sport England can see direct benefits from any funds, rather than receiving a load of tosh from governing bodies on where the money was being spent and what participation was. It was clearly open to abuse, and RL was not the only sport who may have been foul with that. This is certainly a kick up the RFL's backside, and a number of people will/have been made redundant at the RFL. That said, the hope is that more focused funding to grass roots development will bear fruit. You only have to speak to some of the community members to realise the discontent around how the RFL run the community game. This maybe short term pain for long term gain. Let's see how it pans out. A more de-centralised approach with more integration between the community game and the RFL can only be a good thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bramstein Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 I don't fully understand the way the funding is given out but I think a lot of it is down to how much of a chance GB has of winning a medal at the Olympics. Clearly this doesn't apply to some sports as they aren't in the Olympics but it certainly explains why sailing gets so much. Rugby League will clearly get some funding. It won't go down to zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedford Roughyed Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 1 minute ago, Bramstein said: I don't fully understand the way the funding is given out but I think a lot of it is down to how much of a chance GB has of winning a medal at the Olympics. Clearly this doesn't apply to some sports as they aren't in the Olympics but it certainly explains why sailing gets so much. Rugby League will clearly get some funding. It won't go down to zero. There are different pots of money. We obviously never got Olympic money. That money was announced late last year I think (big hoo ha ha over Badminton getting zero). This money appears to be the more 'general' pot. With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darylslinn Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 They've cut funding to Badminton amongst other sports so we were never even going to get close really seeing that the countries Badminton players have had some Olympic (International) success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingking Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Olympic sports are funded by UK Sport under the "No compromise" mantra which allocates money to proven medallists or those with podium potential, so it deals with the elite end of sport Sport England's funds are allocated to grass roots and entry level sport with the aim of getting more people participating in sport and having a healthier population. www.twitter.com/flyingking2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 4 of Us Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 And that's were the RFL come a cropper. They have a number of very good and committed individuals who are up and down the country trying to do 10 jobs. Literally. The RFL should be an independent organisation that remit should be to grow all the sport. Unfortunately they have turned into an events company and a not particularly good one, who's Chief Executive relies upon the votes of SL clubs to stay on board. The game should have an independent commission of trustees to whom the RFL executive should be answerable, not themselves, and have targets including participation and growing the commercial game. Superleague should be allowed a license to generate its own money provided a portion goes to development of the game, as well as the Championship and National League, leaving the RFL to concentrate on Internationals. We'll wait to see the extent to which any funding is given at Easter but hope the RFL leadership do the decent thing instead of hanging on with syrupy words. http://www.wiganstpats.org Producing Players Since 1910 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 18 minutes ago, The 4 of Us said: And that's were the RFL come a cropper. They have a number of very good and committed individuals who are up and down the country trying to do 10 jobs. Literally. The RFL should be an independent organisation that remit should be to grow all the sport. Unfortunately they have turned into an events company and a not particularly good one, who's Chief Executive relies upon the votes of SL clubs to stay on board. The game should have an independent commission of trustees to whom the RFL executive should be answerable, not themselves, and have targets including participation and growing the commercial game. Superleague should be allowed a license to generate its own money provided a portion goes to development of the game, as well as the Championship and National League, leaving the RFL to concentrate on Internationals. We'll wait to see the extent to which any funding is given at Easter but hope the RFL leadership do the decent thing instead of hanging on with syrupy words. Doesnt mich of this already happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 4 of Us Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 I assume you meant much? If so, no. It's back to front. The RFL management only have one stakeholder with any influence, and that's the clubs who's votes depend on which division they're in. http://www.wiganstpats.org Producing Players Since 1910 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 5 minutes ago, The 4 of Us said: I assume you meant much? If so, no. It's back to front. The RFL management only have one stakeholder with any influence, and that's the clubs who's votes depend on which division they're in. 1. RFL remit to grow all the sport - tick. 2. Does the CEO answer to the clubs or the RFL Board? 3. Should have targets to grow participation and commercial revenues - tick. 4. Super League should have a license to generate its own money - tick, but they went crawling back to the RFL as they wanted it doing for them. As far as I can see they already tick many of the boxes you want them to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 4 of Us Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 What are the targets and who holds them to account? And does 2 out of 4 count as many? Good job you didn't list 5! http://www.wiganstpats.org Producing Players Since 1910 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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