Marauder Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 9 minutes ago, bowes said: That works when we have one big midlands division of ten with three strong teams. Doesn't work when we have a six team league with three strong teams So why have two divisions, have one and when it comes to the play offs at the end off the season split it into two groups, top half for the best prize and the bottom half for a continuation cup, when I left the army the West Yorkshire Sunday league had divisions with up to 20 teams in them. Carlsberg don't do Soldiers, but if they did, they would probably be Brits. http://www.pitchero....hornemarauders/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowes Posted May 12, 2017 Author Share Posted May 12, 2017 3 hours ago, Marauder said: So why have two divisions, have one and when it comes to the play offs at the end off the season split it into two groups, top half for the best prize and the bottom half for a continuation cup, when I left the army the West Yorkshire Sunday league had divisions with up to 20 teams in them. Can't argue with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidlandsRugbyLeague Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 4 hours ago, Marauder said: So why have two divisions, have one and when it comes to the play offs at the end off the season split it into two groups, top half for the best prize and the bottom half for a continuation cup, when I left the army the West Yorkshire Sunday league had divisions with up to 20 teams in them. Thats what we had for a good number of years and was successful... Keep Up To Date:Midlands Rugby League WebsiteMidlands Rugby League Facebook Group Midlands Rugby League Twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 1 minute ago, MidlandsRugbyLeague said: Thats what we had for a good number of years and was successful... Seems the simple answer and they'll get 22 league games, 12 teams can be split into 3 x 4 team end of season cup competitions, gives everyone something to play for. Carlsberg don't do Soldiers, but if they did, they would probably be Brits. http://www.pitchero....hornemarauders/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redditchbulldog Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 looking at the scores today and looks like split into 2 divisions has paid dividends today as not one blow out score , all the games bar one looked like they could have gone either way with 1 or 2 scores the difference and the other game was only 18 pts in it Stoopid Cup Winner 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowes Posted July 16, 2017 Author Share Posted July 16, 2017 Sounds like Leamington have dropped out of the premier division as well leaving three teams. Luckily there should be a new format in place for next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim2 Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 Looks like the whole amateur game is in freefall in large parts of the country. When i think back where the MRL was 6 or 7 years ago it's disappointing to see where it is now. "I am the avenging angel; I come with wings unfurled, I come with claws extended from halfway round the world. I am the God Almighty, I am the howling wind. I care not for your family; I care not for your kin. I come in search of terror, though terror is my own; I come in search of vengeance for crimes and crimes unknown. I care not for your children, I care not for your wives, I care not for your country, I care not for your lives." - (c) Jim Boyes - "The Avenging Angel" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defender1 Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Someone somewhere needs to get a grip of the whole situation IMO it's getting beyond worrying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 11 hours ago, Defender1 said: Someone somewhere needs to get a grip of the whole situation IMO it's getting beyond worrying I suggest playing in a season which doesn't have to many distractions - we've just lost our U8'S & U9'S, I can't believe they want to play a sport in the winter when it's cold, dark and damp. Carlsberg don't do Soldiers, but if they did, they would probably be Brits. http://www.pitchero....hornemarauders/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbfaz Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Will Coventry and Northampton moving up a level help or hinder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defender1 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 7 hours ago, bbfaz said: Will Coventry and Northampton moving up a level help or hinder? Move to where? would that not see the league disappear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowes Posted July 18, 2017 Author Share Posted July 18, 2017 10 hours ago, bbfaz said: Will Coventry and Northampton moving up a level help or hinder? Massively help. Leicester, Leamington and Telford could then reform in an expanded division 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowes Posted July 18, 2017 Author Share Posted July 18, 2017 2 hours ago, Defender1 said: Move to where? would that not see the league disappear? The premier division already has Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redditchbulldog Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 its not been a great season at all in the midlands as quite a few clubs have struggled for players including my club when we have only on 2 occasions had the luxury of subs but still completed the season , hopefully next season will look better as a few of the u-16's will step up and with a ramped up off season recruitment campaign also give us a bigger player base to work on, which when you looked back 6 - 7 years ago there was a healthy junior competition in the midlands but with the loss of community coaches , it was allowed to die off as only a few of the clubs had enough volunteers in place to keep junior rugby going . With juniors Ravens are back to where we were 6 years ago due to hard work of Jason Spafford and also getting 6 level 2 coaches in the club which is seeing 50 plus juniors on a sunday over all age ranges and with not having to rely on community coaches Stoopid Cup Winner 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim2 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 18 hours ago, Marauder said: I suggest playing in a season which doesn't have to many distractions - we've just lost our U8'S & U9'S, I can't believe they want to play a sport in the winter when it's cold, dark and damp. Our juniors are more than happy playing in summer, just a shame it's in Yorkshire and not in a vibrant Midlands setup. 7 hours ago, bowes said: The premier division already has No it hasn't! There's two teams left standing! It could be the first ever league won by the team who can turn up every week. "I am the avenging angel; I come with wings unfurled, I come with claws extended from halfway round the world. I am the God Almighty, I am the howling wind. I care not for your family; I care not for your kin. I come in search of terror, though terror is my own; I come in search of vengeance for crimes and crimes unknown. I care not for your children, I care not for your wives, I care not for your country, I care not for your lives." - (c) Jim Boyes - "The Avenging Angel" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbfaz Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 On 18/07/2017 at 10:53 AM, bowes said: Massively help. Leicester, Leamington and Telford could then reform in an expanded division 1 Sorry if I confused anybody, I know I spoke to bowes. Northampton and Coventry Dragons are on the list of applicants for the Eastern Division of the new Southern RL Conference. Would the Midlands go back to one long division like it was before? After Leicester folded, it seems like they're the only two on steady ground and they both want to move up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasper Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Went to the 3 East Rugby League Cup Finals a couple of weeks ago at Hemel Hempstead. Got talking to a chap from one of the clubs about next year and what was happening. He gave me a piece of paper with what his clubs thinks will happen. A quick breakdown is Premier East LONDON CHARGERS HAMMERSMITH WEST WARRIERS LONDON SKOLARS EAST RHINOS HEMEL STAGS NORTH HERTS CRUSADERS Premier West COVENTRY LEICESTER NORTHAMPTON LEAMINGTON ST IVES BEDFORD Remaining teams to make up Division 1 East and Division 1 West St Albans Centurions Brentwood Eels Surrey Sharks Richmond Derby City Northampton A Birmingham Worcester Boston Sherwood Wolf Milton Keynes Luton Vipers Cambridge Kings Lynn Bedford A Hemel A He said it is based on what they have heard from some clubs and a bit of speculation - so who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowes Posted July 19, 2017 Author Share Posted July 19, 2017 I heard: Coventry Dragons Northampton Demons Hemel Stags A London Chargers Wests Warriors London Skolars A And then presumably three regions below. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbfaz Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 I think some of that is wishful thinking, Jasper. This is probably for the CLS thread though. What has been circulated to clubs is the following: my comments Two Premier Divisions - Western and Eastern - of 8 to 10 teams though probably starting at 6 to 8 Regional Division 1s of 6 to 8 teams, representing the current six regions; Wales, South West and West of England feed to the Western Premier - Midlands, East and London & SE feed to the Eastern Premier. Regional Division 2s to be organised/reorganised as merit competitions with the top placed team/teams to get entry into the Division 1 playoffs. how very Brazilian! Western Premier Eastern Premier | | +-------+-------+ +---------+---------+ | | | | | | | | | | | | Wales 1 SW 1 West 1 Midlands 1 East 1 London 1 | | | | | | | | | | | | Wales 2 SW 2 West 2 Midlands 2 East 2 London 2 They had 14 expressions of interest last month. Western: Bath RL, Cheltenham, Cornish Rebels, Devon, Oxford Cavs, Somerset, Swindon, Torfaen Eastern: Coventry Dragons, Northampton, Hemel, Wests, Chargers, Skolars A. They have rules in mind for entry that are: Committee-related (proven administrators that need references from league committees) success-related (finishing in the top three of your league - doesn't say across how long a tenure) tenure-related (completed at least two seasons in a recognised fixtured competition) monetary-related (need to provide costed budgets, especially for travel), and facility-related (written agreement to use facilities that meet a minimum standard). Beyond that, nobody is going really know anything until September, as the deadline for formal applications is 31st August. Having a quick look at the criteria, they may have to more loosely apply the rules than they probably want to. Coventry, Northampton, Wests and Chargers will be fine but Skolars A have been a bit flaky the last few years. Hemel might be OK as well, as I think it's the Hemel A community side and they'll probably meet the success criteria. As for the West, Cornish and Devon are going to need a waiver, given their league collapsed. I assume Swindon, Cheltenham and Torfaen are shoe-ins based on passing all the criteria, which leaves Bath, Oxford and Somerset. Oxford may pass the success criteria. However, Bath are a new side, I can't see how they pass the success or tenure criteria and Somerset aren't good enough on the field either, though they are steady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowes Posted July 20, 2017 Author Share Posted July 20, 2017 Torfaen, Oxford, Swindon, Cheltenham, Devon and Cornish Rebels would probably be the place to start with the new league. Surprised Valley Cougars aren't applying, though guess they may struggle as they'll no longer get fringe professional players with the relocation of the Ironmen. Also they don't have any junior teams. I'd have thought under this scenario that there would be no south west division 1, once again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbfaz Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 4 hours ago, bowes said: Torfaen, Oxford, Swindon, Cheltenham, Devon and Cornish Rebels would probably be the place to start with the new league. Surprised Valley Cougars aren't applying, though guess they may struggle as they'll no longer get fringe professional players with the relocation of the Ironmen. Also they don't have any junior teams. I'd have thought under this scenario that there would be no south west division 1, once again I'm not sure it can be quite so uniform, certainly from the Division 1s downwards. Right now, we don't have teams to fit this out. Going through it region-by-region. Midlands: Takes away the top two teams that are dragging along the rest of the region or raising the bar too high for clubs currently, depending on your viewpoint. Allows the region to remake itself again, allows the struggling teams to reform. I think they could or should go back to a single table or organise in groups like the West. London & SE: Again, takes away two of the best organised teams and certainly two of the best squads, as well as an "A" team. I think it will lead to a realignment of players. People wanted to play in the CLS for Chargers and I think that will be the same with Chargers and Wests. I think it will help Skolars with their issues with reserve players because they'll be playing a higher level also. In London, you don't necessarily play for a local club anyway. As such, I think certain stronger teams that remain at the London Premier level will be weaker, such as Hammersmith. It will be largely suburban and provincial league, more South East League than London and I think it should be rebranded as such. Furthermore, I don't think Eastern remain viable in the London Leagues, given every other team in Herts and Essex have moved to the East Region. They either have to move up or move over IMO. East: East would only lose Hemel, who've only really just shown up anyway. Promote a team, get on with it, rejig the lower divisions. IMO, should gain Eastern if they don't move to the Eastern Premier. South West: Still not viable as a region, unless something drastically changes. They've likely removed the two self-styled "county" teams, one of which was the killer away journey. I don't know what state the teams that were in the league back in 2015 are in. Could Exeter, North Devon and Plymouth ever come back? There were teams in Exmouth and Yeovil in the past, could they return? In the latter case, Somerset Vikings have moved north to Weston and so there's no RL in South Somerset. Dorset County Giants are having games this year, though they seem to be based out of Wareham rather than Weymouth this time, which would be better for pulling players from across Dorset but more difficult for travel. Teignmouth Trojans seemed to turn up this season, beat Devon and then didn't fulfil the fixture against Cornish Rebels. It's all very "if my auntie had knackers, she'd be my uncle", I know but if Plymouth, Exeter, North Devon, Teignmouth and Dorset County could play a season, that'd be a starter point. West: I know teams are ambitious in the region and we've already seen teams fold this season. If Swindon keep an "A" team going, you're probably looking at 8 teams going forward to next season. Maybe Reading, though that entirely depends on the club themselves as well as the structure because it's otherwise better for them to stay in London & SE. In fact, Reading are the wild card because their presence makes a "South Central" league of Surrey, Sussex, Reading, Southampton and Portsmouth viable. Wales: I don't know enough about Wales, don't really follow it. I was under the impression that the Welsh Premier was now just South Wales clubs. They'd need a lot more to be viable. Similar to the South West, there are lots of places where there has been League but it's not there anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowes Posted July 20, 2017 Author Share Posted July 20, 2017 Agree apart from with South Wales. They have 6 clubs there, who all seem solid, so take one out and the league's still viable though could do with a replacement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazza_merged Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 Should they make it a requirement that any team in the premier is required to run at least an "A" team (preferably at least 1 junior team as well) to keep the feeder leagues active Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 On 19/07/2017 at 8:59 PM, Jasper said: Went to the 3 East Rugby League Cup Finals a couple of weeks ago at Hemel Hempstead. Got talking to a chap from one of the clubs about next year and what was happening. He gave me a piece of paper with what his clubs thinks will happen. A quick breakdown is Premier East LONDON CHARGERS HAMMERSMITH WEST WARRIERS LONDON SKOLARS EAST RHINOS HEMEL STAGS NORTH HERTS CRUSADERS Premier West COVENTRY LEICESTER NORTHAMPTON LEAMINGTON ST IVES BEDFORD Remaining teams to make up Division 1 East and Division 1 West St Albans Centurions Brentwood Eels Surrey Sharks Richmond Derby City Northampton A Birmingham Worcester Boston Sherwood Wolf Milton Keynes Luton Vipers Cambridge Kings Lynn Bedford A Hemel A He said it is based on what they have heard from some clubs and a bit of speculation - so who knows. Since 2004 I've heard all the hype about expansion and I've seen umpteen none starters simply because it's one or two men and a dog who want to run a team, they put everything down on paper, make it look rosy and simply hope that enough players will turn up to play the game. Carlsberg don't do Soldiers, but if they did, they would probably be Brits. http://www.pitchero....hornemarauders/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbfaz Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 On 21/07/2017 at 2:50 AM, bazza_merged said: Should they make it a requirement that any team in the premier is required to run at least an "A" team (preferably at least 1 junior team as well) to keep the feeder leagues active Depends on the region. Running a successful junior club and a successful senior club are two very different things and this is magnified in certain places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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