Wellsy4HullFC Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I know the ball is obviously harder to hold on to in wet weather, but the amount of knock ons recently has been ridiculous. Is it anything to do with the make of ball? I can't remember this many consistent knock ons in all wet weather games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleD Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 30 minutes ago, Wellsy4HullFC said: I know the ball is obviously harder to hold on to in wet weather, but the amount of knock ons recently has been ridiculous. Is it anything to do with the make of ball? I can't remember this many consistent knock ons in all wet weather games. There are a lot of accusations about that and the RFL have been discussing with the ball manufacturer ways to make it less slippery in the wet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Fisher Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Quote Wasn't one of the reasons for moving RL to Summer to avoid bad weather and make a better spectacle? Did no-one ever consider the Lancashire Monsoon season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tre Cool Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 It's definitely been worse with the rhino balls. But the RFL can't say no to Rhinos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuffer Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 it does make you wonder how the other code manage better in the damp season, all seemed to go #### up when they switched to rhino.....go back to steadon!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Or players could improve their handling skills. Remember the balls of the past with no grip at all. They seemed to manage okay then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravens88 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 This wet weather knock on's narrative is a hot steaming pile of b-s It's a convenient excuse for shocking level of ball handling and skill by Super league players!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Browny Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Just now, ravens88 said: This wet weather knock on's narrative is a hot steaming pile of b-s It's a convenient excuse for shocking level of ball handling and skill by Super league players!!! The lack of respect for the ball by some players is disgraceful. Phil Clarke was right to point to it yesterday; often they are so obsessed with trying to play the ball quickly or seal-flop that they lose all notion of their obligation to keep hold of the thing. I can confirm 30+ less sales for Scotland vs Italy at Workington, after this afternoons test purchase for the Tonga match, £7.50 is extremely reasonable, however a £2.50 'delivery' fee for a walk in purchase is beyond taking the mickey, good luck with that, it's cheaper on the telly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MZH Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 4 minutes ago, ravens88 said: This wet weather knock on's narrative is a hot steaming pile of b-s It's a convenient excuse for shocking level of ball handling and skill by Super league players!!! Yes and no. The weather does make things more difficult, and you would expect to see more errors when the conditions are poor. But too many teams and players just don't seem to adapt at all. There is no excuse for some of the error counts we see when the weather is bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padge Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Its quite simple. Dry weather, play dry weather football. Wet weather. play wet weather football. Adapt to the conditions. Visit my photography site www.padge.smugmug.com Radio 5 Live: Saturday 14 April 2007 Dave Whelan "In Wigan rugby will always be king" This country's wealth was created by men in overalls, it was destroyed by men in suits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravens88 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 8 minutes ago, Just Browny said: The lack of respect for the ball by some players is disgraceful. Phil Clarke was right to point to it yesterday; often they are so obsessed with trying to play the ball quickly or seal-flop that they lose all notion of their obligation to keep hold of the thing. The seal flopping I regard as a form of cheating, if they cut out that nonsense payers would be able to have quicker PTB's instead of milking penalties.I also abhor players that make contact with opponents when they are released from tackles and do a 180 degree turn, again to milk penalties, Cheating in my eyes as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksy Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 The aussies dont seem to have the same issue when it pours down. Rugby Union the only game in the world were the spectators handle the ball more than the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellsy4HullFC Posted August 12, 2017 Author Share Posted August 12, 2017 It's all good saying "get better at ball handling" or "respect the ball", but when the ball just keeps randomly popping out during the collision, it becomes more of a lottery. It's literally up the jumper stuff to make sure it doesn't slip out. If we want free flowing rugby, we need a grippier ball that can handle the wet conditions. I don't think this one can, and I don't recall this being much of an issue with the old one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MZH Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Wellsy4HullFC said: It's all good saying "get better at ball handling" or "respect the ball", but when the ball just keeps randomly popping out during the collision, it becomes more of a lottery. It's literally up the jumper stuff to make sure it doesn't slip out. If we want free flowing rugby, we need a grippier ball that can handle the wet conditions. I don't think this one can, and I don't recall this being much of an issue with the old one. I've never played with one of the Rhino balls, so I can't really compare, but the old Steeden balls were excellent. Hardly any difference between wet and dry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidlandsRugbyLeague Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 The match standard Rhino Balls and the same Steeden balls have equal grip at that level and both cost nearly £70 per ball. And theyre both made in the same factory! Keep Up To Date:Midlands Rugby League WebsiteMidlands Rugby League Facebook Group Midlands Rugby League Twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barnyia Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 It's the coaches fault for asking the players to attack the ball in the tackles , I've noticed it a lot more, pulling pushing hitting the ball etc, if it was just the ball you'd see players just dropping the ball when catching, also in the good old days with mitre multiplex balls or leather laced up balls you caught the ball with your arms and chest then moved to your hands, now players catch with their hands, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowdesert Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 7 minutes ago, barnyia said: It's the coaches fault for asking the players to attack the ball in the tackles , I've noticed it a lot more, pulling pushing hitting the ball etc, if it was just the ball you'd see players just dropping the ball when catching, also in the good old days with mitre multiplex balls or leather laced up balls you caught the ball with your arms and chest then moved to your hands, now players catch with their hands, You told me you were a ball player, Coach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amber Avenger Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 10 hours ago, Wellsy4HullFC said: I know the ball is obviously harder to hold on to in wet weather, but the amount of knock ons recently has been ridiculous. Is it anything to do with the make of ball? I can't remember this many consistent knock ons in all wet weather games. I do remember some absolutely dreadful handling when we had those 8 panel balls about 10/15 years ago. They only lasted one season I think. SQL Honours Play off mini league winner - 2002. Bronze Medalist - 2003. Big Split Group Winner - 2006. Minor Stupidship - 2005, 2006. Cup Silver Medalist - 2008, 2009 CHAMPION - 2005, 2009, 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moorside roughyed Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 You'd have thought they'd have been used to a wet ball,it's not as though it hardly rains over hear is it?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barnyia Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 37 minutes ago, Lowdesert said: You told me you were a ball player, Coach? Good old days ! Andy Gregory used to do that ! I only became a ball player when I came to France where it's dry lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Future is League Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 10 hours ago, Spidey said: Or players could improve their handling skills. Remember the balls of the past with no grip at all. They seemed to manage okay then 10 hours ago, ravens88 said: This wet weather knock on's narrative is a hot steaming pile of b-s It's a convenient excuse for shocking level of ball handling and skill by Super league players!!! 10 hours ago, Just Browny said: The lack of respect for the ball by some players is disgraceful. Phil Clarke was right to point to it yesterday; often they are so obsessed with trying to play the ball quickly or seal-flop that they lose all notion of their obligation to keep hold of the thing. 10 hours ago, Padge said: Its quite simple. Dry weather, play dry weather football. Wet weather. play wet weather football. Adapt to the conditions. 1 hour ago, MidlandsRugbyLeague said: The match standard Rhino Balls and the same Steeden balls have equal grip at that level and both cost nearly £70 per ball. And theyre both made in the same factory! 34 minutes ago, moorside roughyed said: You'd have thought they'd have been used to a wet ball,it's not as though it hardly rains over hear is it?. The future is league likes all the above comments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeF Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 This discussion happens every season and it's always the balls that are blamed not the players lack of skill or common sense Knock ons also increase when it's hot wth sweat being blamed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 11 hours ago, Just Browny said: The lack of respect for the ball by some players is disgraceful. Phil Clarke was right to point to it yesterday; often they are so obsessed with trying to play the ball quickly or seal-flop that they lose all notion of their obligation to keep hold of the thing. Part of the problem is that penalties are given too cheaply, half the time if you lose control of the ball you get a penalty (not a true stat!) - so the risk is worth it. Id like to see the responsibility back firmly on the ball carrier. Might make them focus on the skills a bit more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 20 minutes ago, Saint 1 said: By encouraging the responsibility to be back on the ball carrier (something it already is) by giving away less penalties for strips, what you actually promote is safety first, up the jumper rugby. Is that what you want? I think that point is overstated tbh, but it is something that needs to be tested to ensure there are no unintended consequences. But maybe an element of safety first instead of up to 30 errors per game is a positive development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellsy4HullFC Posted August 12, 2017 Author Share Posted August 12, 2017 2 hours ago, Amber Avenger said: I do remember some absolutely dreadful handling when we had those 8 panel balls about 10/15 years ago. They only lasted one season I think. Used to love those as a kid - they were so unique and gave rugby league an identity. Unfortunately the first batch (introduced for the famous 2000 RLWC) were poorly designed and too round like a football and the second batch I believe were narrower but incredibly difficult to kick straight. Shame. They looked cool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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