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3 hours ago, Martyn Sadler said:

That's the issue.

With the best will in the world, all those guns are not going to disappear overnight.

But even if people with mental health problems were prevented from buying guns, it probably wouldn't have prevented Stephen Paddock from being able to slaughter 58 people in Las Vegas.

We still haven't seen a definitive explanation of what his motive was in that case.

In Texas they don't have to buy guns. In one of the most recent Texas decisions on gun freedom, people can now carry guns in psychiatric hospitals.

According to the internet Stephen Paddock dindu nuffin. He was photographed 2 days later playing cards in a casino in New Jersey.

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A few years ago, might be going back a long long time somebody on here mentioned that trying to change the gun culture in the US would be like changing the the drinking culture in the UK.

When you look at it like that it becomes clear that it won’t happen over night, or even in this or the next generation.

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15 minutes ago, Phil said:

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Ah the consistent Alt-right.


With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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3 hours ago, Mark S said:

A few years ago, might be going back a long long time somebody on here mentioned that trying to change the gun culture in the US would be like changing the the drinking culture in the UK.

When you look at it like that it becomes clear that it won’t happen over night, or even in this or the next generation.

I've said before on threads similar to this that pandoras box is wide open.  The NRA is seemingly so powerful that they can't even progress token gestures.  They can't even study the effects as central government stats on gun deaths were defunded!


With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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trump said "a deranged madman with serious mental health issues" with an easy armoury at his fingertips- I don't think the phrase  "it takes one to know one" has ever been so apt

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 It seems that the shooter was interrupted by a neighbour who started shooting at him, and then another passer by with a gun chased the gunman in his car.  Not sure if the gunman killed himself or was shot by the passer by, but this scenario seems to have brought out a lot of the 'a good man with a gun will stop a bad man with a gun' being spouted on social media already.

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1 minute ago, Jasper said:

 It seems that the shooter was interrupted by a neighbour who started shooting at him, and then another passer by with a gun chased the gunman in his car.  Not sure if the gunman killed himself or was shot by the passer by, but this scenario seems to have brought out a lot of the 'a good man with a gun will stop a bad man with a gun' being spouted on social media already.

I mean 'stopping' in this case was when he was fleeing the scene after shooting 50 people. 


With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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4 hours ago, Phil said:

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There is a difference. One was an Islamic terrorist doing things for a political cause. The other was a madman form the same country. The first wouldn't have happened if he hadn't been in the US. The second is pretty much inevitable in the USA.

 

And besides, there's umpteen examples of all sides doing this on twitter.

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10 minutes ago, Johnoco said:

There is a difference. One was an Islamic terrorist doing things for a political cause. The other was a madman form the same country. The first wouldn't have happened if he hadn't been in the US. The second is pretty much inevitable in the USA.

 

And besides, there's umpteen examples of all sides doing this on twitter.

You mean one was “black” the other was “one of us” 


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13 minutes ago, Phil said:

You mean one was “black” the other was “one of us” 

I'm pretty certain that neither of these dickheads are in any way 'me' and I resent the implication too. But the fact is that had the guy from Uzbekistan not been in the USA, he couldn't have carried out the attack, the other guy could.

That's why people mention things like vetting.

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7 minutes ago, Johnoco said:

I'm pretty certain that neither of these dickheads are in any way 'me' and I resent the implication too. But the fact is that had the guy from Uzbekistan not been in the USA, he couldn't have carried out the attack, the other guy could.

That's why people mention things like vetting.

I wasn’t singling you out there and I apologise if that’s the impression I gave but the tweets are typical alt right 

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9 minutes ago, Phil said:

I wasn’t singling you out there and I apologise if that’s the impression I gave but the tweets are typical alt right 

Of course they are bud but there's mirror images of those tweets on all sides. It's why I ignore politics on Twitter.

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12 hours ago, gingerjon said:

Still, I'm sure someone can explain how that doesn't make him a racist wingnut with no clue about how to actually solve the problems he screams about.

You may have noticed Brexit does much the same thing they do it and then explain it all away sort of like those right wing "nice people".

Years of saying something over and over again makes the bizarre normal, the unacceptable common place and everyday, and thousands of examples illogical nonsense seem perfectly reasonable ...... I blame the Tories!


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Over 12 children in the church killed.

 


With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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So, according to the latest reports, the guy killed 26 people because he held a grudge against one of the churchgoers who happened to be his former mother in-law.

Mental health issue or not (and apparently the Air Force messed up), we're back to square one: A man with a gun who intends to use it to harm people is more dangerous than a man with a knife. And similarly armed vigilantes (sorry bystanders) aren't the answer.

I don't think the United States will ever be able to solve this issue (guns & 2nd amendment) at least not during what's left of my lifetime.

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Sort of like a magic potion recipe.

People defending guns while some say that like the poor they'll always be with us.

Some pretending that the parallels are not there while others have them written in stone.

Many looking at motivations of killers like that will help.

Some using the natural mechanism of humour to cope with the appalling.

Yet others looking at it as something that happens somewhere else, to someone else far away and where I never want to go!

Watching the news can ruin your day and paying attention to twitter can lead you down the rabbit hole.

Guns kill people, the evidence says guns don't defend you, the right to have arms is a system doomed to abuse, the gun lobby and Charlton Heston rule the USA so what was the point of getting rid of King George?

The Founding Fathers laid down this minefield but I do wonder what they would have made of the results so far?

 


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15 hours ago, Mark S said:

A few years ago, might be going back a long long time somebody on here mentioned that trying to change the gun culture in the US would be like changing the the drinking culture in the UK.

When you look at it like that it becomes clear that it won’t happen over night, or even in this or the next generation.

That was men, and you have stopped me repeating the point.

Attitudes vary greatly within the US.  It does seem that gun ownership used to be far more normal. nnowadays fewer people own guns, but they feel that ownership and identity under threat.  My ex-wife's family included two elderly parents of a son who lived in their basement, suffered mental health problems, and collected an arsenal of guns.  His own parents reporting this evident risk did not solve anything.


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The number of guns in the us has risen since the mid 90s. There are now more than 100 million more guns than then. In fact there are more guns that people in the US.


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After the Sandy Hook massacre it was clear Americans don’t care at all. The whole debate has been pointless from that time onwards.

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19 minutes ago, Copa said:

After the Sandy Hook massacre it was clear Americans don’t care at all. The whole debate has been pointless from that time onwards.

"don't care at all" is clearly nonsense.  They care more now than ever before, but do not have the concensous of Australia or the UK.  Considering that it is in general a far less unified country than either of those two, that is not surprising.


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With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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