Krzzystuff Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, scotchy1 said: I have some sympathy with Hetherington in that there has been unclear reporting often contradictory and some wild speculation from the RL press. However he can't claim that this is all made up. Only last week Derek Beaumont explicitly stated the SL clubs had planned to go to 14 and that's why there was a parachute payment. Both Roger Draper and Ralph Rimmer have told us that there is a possibility of a restructure. What I would say is that this is another example of a failure of leadership. There has been contradictory messages put out and lack of transparency and in that darkness speculation has been rampant. One "'leader" needs to be put forth to the public and all statements should go through that individual. They can do all their background decisions amongst themselves and then present only the outcome but having 4 different members of the all powerful SL board say different things doesn't give the impression of a professional & unified leadership group. You know...basic politics. time will tell how they do but people are either breaking rank or they have no clue what they are doing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeF Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Maybe Mr Hetherington needs to have a word with the p*** poor Mr Rimmer since he added to the speculation only a couple of weeks ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiled Wiganer Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 I agree with Hetherington to some extent - this is a p--- poor article written by a journalist. Logically, he is both entirely right and entirely wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpmc Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Rod stuff posted this on twitter earlier today,whats he on about? Perhaps Mr Hetherington wants us to report details of Leeds + 2 other SL clubs being outvoted 9-3 in the ballot that underpinned the radical changes in RL during the off season? Perhaps he’s disappointed at not being part of the negotiating process between SL + RFL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krzzystuff Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Just now, jpmc said: Rod stuff posted this on twitter earlier today,whats he on about? Perhaps Mr Hetherington wants us to report details of Leeds + 2 other SL clubs being outvoted 9-3 in the ballot that underpinned the radical changes in RL during the off season? Perhaps he’s disappointed at not being part of the negotiating process between SL + RFL? RLONRY are just talking bout him being upset about the loss of power Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Shepherd Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 5 hours ago, Martyn Sadler said: Gary's position, which we have reported previously in League Express, is that the current league structure is part of the deal with Sky Sports. Mark Campbell, alluded to a similar viewpoint in this week's programme at Featherstone: "There is lots of talk at the moment regarding the league structure, however every club signed up to it - and it runs until 2021, as agreed" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpmc Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 8 minutes ago, Krzzystuff said: RLONRY are just talking bout him being upset about the loss of power Losing a vote 9 to 3 is a pretty heavy beating,im just wondering what this particular issue is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattrhino Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Gary has always been a pro RFL/Nigel Wood voice in the past. If he is also being shunned maybe thats why he came out with this statement. That contradicts nearly every other owner/official that has come out recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 1 hour ago, scotchy1 said: The RFL don't get to be portrayed as a scapegoat. They have the ultimate responsibility for the game. That's their job. However difficult it may be that is what they are paid for. To lead. Even the unwilling. Like a prime minister or president the buck stops with them. They are responsible for set things. I cant remrmber where no. of teams in SL sits now tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, scotchy1 said: They are the governing body. No matter where the power lies they are responsible for everything. If they want to organise the fixtures and do the disciplinary on a Tuesday they can be our new admin assistant and take a wage congruent with that role and somebody else can be the governing body. Saying they are responsible for everything is just not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMEGA Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 The governance of Rugby League is in major disarray and it’s going to get worse! The very last people who should be Governing our sport are the egocentric, selfish, self promoting & narcissistic Chairman that pervade our sport. (With one or two exceptions). We are crying out for a strong, energetic leader at the RFL, someone with nouse, vision and ambition who won’t be phased or bullied by certain characters who seem to think they know what’s best for and seek to impose their will on everyone. We’ve been paying wages for such an individual without actually having the right person in the position and thus not receiving the benefits of the financial investment. I’d happily see the RFL Chairman’s wages doubled if the person in the role was leading the game forward in the way it deserves. Now its imperative that we get this appointment right because another 5 years of weak and directionless faffing may well doom the sport to obscurity forevermore! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M j M Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 7 hours ago, Oxford said: Gary H, and expansion .........mmmmmmmm? You do know who Hetherington is and what he's done when it comes to expanding the game in new areas, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxford Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Adeybull said: a situation where we cannot be sure ANYONE is really acting in the best interests of the whole game? Well if they were working that way they'd stand out in the crowd. If I remember rightly which is rare Gary has tended to be on the side of or sided with the RFL in general which must mean it suited Leeds to do so and maybe things have changed now SL has flexed its muscles. The trouble is for every member of TGG there's different version of what's best for the game and we can agree about nowt. 2 warning points Non-Political Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxford Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, M j M said: You do know who Hetherington is and what he's done when it comes to expanding the game in new areas, right? Pretty much yeah always used to like him cos I'd meet him at things like the York 9's, which made him unusual to say the least! 2 warning points Non-Political Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowdesert Posted February 12, 2018 Author Share Posted February 12, 2018 39 minutes ago, scotchy1 said: It is entirely true. They are a governing body. They govern. If they don't want to do that. They can't be the governing body. If they cannot lead, they cannot be the leader. No it isn’t entirely true. I’m embarrassed for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M j M Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 11 minutes ago, Oxford said: If I remember rightly which is rare Gary has tended to be on the side of or sided with the RFL in general which must mean it suited Leeds to do so and maybe things have changed now SL has flexed its muscles. Since Hetherington knows the pitfalls and challenges of running both an expansion club and running a small club with tiny revenues, I imagine he is more cautious than most about exciting new opportunities in random locations. As far as Leeds are concerned, to be perfectly blunt, I don't imagine there is any self-interest either way as the club's position in the top flight isn't likely to be challenged any time soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxford Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, M j M said: Since Hetherington knows the pitfalls and challenges of running both an expansion club and running a small club with tiny revenues, I imagine he is more cautious than most about exciting new opportunities in random locations. Like Toronto ? Very random! As far as Leeds are concerned, to be perfectly blunt, I don't imagine there is any self-interest either way ? as the club's position in the top flight isn't likely to be challenged any time soon. And I wonder why that is? Everyone like Gary and refs shouldn't just be attacked because they do have the games interests at heart. We all do, even the people we disagree with most on the forum. We are TGG men apart! to paraphrase a good quote and signature on here. 2 warning points Non-Political Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Shepherd Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Why do we give the Super League chairmen so much power and influence over the game? They cannot possibly make decisions for the benefit of the sport. By definition, they can only serve the interests of their own club. Wind Super League Europe Ltd up and hand ALL control back to The RFL who can then govern for the entire game, not the narrow self interest of 12 club chairmen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scubby Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, David Shepherd said: Why do we give the Super League chairmen so much power and influence over the game? They cannot possibly make decisions for the benefit of the sport. By definition, they can only serve the interests of their own club. Wind Super League Europe Ltd up and hand ALL control back to The RFL who can then govern for the entire game, not the narrow self interest of 12 club chairmen. David they have just done the complete opposite to what you suggested. Hence, why Nigel Wood is ousted from the SL board. SL now has equal shares and all club representatives are directors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blind side johnny Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 2 hours ago, scotchy1 said: The RFL don't get to be portrayed as a scapegoat. They have the ultimate responsibility for the game. That's their job. However difficult it may be that is what they are paid for. To lead. Even the unwilling. Like a prime minister or president the buck stops with them. That is the whole problem though. The RFL have all of the responsibility but zero executive authority. The SL chairmen can make a massive hash of things then blame it on whoever is the patsy at the RFL. Ideally wee need a strong individualistic leader to be appointed at the RFL with purpose, vision and integrity. What do you think we will get? Sport, amongst other things, is a dream-world offering escape from harsh reality and the disturbing prospect of change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris22 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 If you give the power to 12 chairmen all of whom have an equal right to speak on behalf of "Super League", you're going to get contradictions and public disagreements which leads to speculation and misinformation. This was entirely foreseeable when this change happened, and I can only see it getting worse when big decisions have to be made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roughyedspud Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 When the RFL don't setup longer term plans it does nothing but create the space for speculation.. For example,Every year we wonder where next year's magic,summer bash,CC final will be! All the RFL needs to announce is that the CC Final is never moving,Blackpool has the summer bash for 5 years and Newcastle has magic for 5 years as its vital for the north east development strategy...now everyone crack on... Also the fact that they seem way to quick to change competition formats cos they never get it right creates speculation.. What to stop speculation? Stop faffing about with the sport! OLDHAM RLFC the 8TH most successful team in british RL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 55 minutes ago, roughyedspud said: When the RFL don't setup longer term plans it does nothing but create the space for speculation.. For example,Every year we wonder where next year's magic,summer bash,CC final will be! All the RFL needs to announce is that the CC Final is never moving,Blackpool has the summer bash for 5 years and Newcastle has magic for 5 years as its vital for the north east development strategy...now everyone crack on... This is the problem with fans apparently having great solutions. If the RFL announced that the Cup was never to move from Wembley it would be incompetence of the highest order. How on earth are you meant to negotiate terms on a ground you uave said you will stay at no matter what? And you wanting 5 year deals - do you just magic these up? The deals for Magic are not just ground rental deals they are commercial deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Dave T said: This is the problem with fans apparently having great solutions. If the RFL announced that the Cup was never to move from Wembley it would be incompetence of the highest order. How on earth are you meant to negotiate terms on a ground you uave said you will stay at no matter what? And you wanting 5 year deals - do you just magic these up? The deals for Magic are not just ground rental deals they are commercial deals. Where will the FA Cup final in 2026 be played? When England play Wales in the Six Nations in 2022 what will be the venue? Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave T Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Just now, gingerjon said: Where will the FA Cup final in 2026 be played? When England play Wales in the Six Nations in 2022 what will be the venue? Where will the Challenge Cup be played in 2025? Ill give you a clue, at the same ground it has been when it has been available for decades now. But in the examples you cite there is a huge difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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