DoubleD Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Why are transfer fees more commonplace in impoverished Super League but a rarity in cash rich NRL? Does promotion/relegation create more of a need for this over here, whereas in NRL they'd take a longer term view? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluded pom? Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Lack of enough players of the required quality is my guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattrhino Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Just the culture, nothing more nothing less. The NFL is the richest sporting competition in the world but doesn't have transfer fees. Same with NBA, MLB etc.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleD Posted March 15, 2018 Author Share Posted March 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Mattrhino said: Just the culture, nothing more nothing less. The NFL is the richest sporting competition in the world but doesn't have transfer fees. Same with NBA, MLB etc.. But doesn't the NFL have a draft system so won't allow transfer fees? Don't know about the other 2 recreational sports....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolford6 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Basic feudalism Under Scrutiny by the Right-On Thought Police Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwalker71 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 4 hours ago, deluded pom? said: Lack of enough players of the required quality is my guess. I do think there's something in that! Less and less decent players for the number of teams - hence the crazy talk about reducing the league. NRL clubs have systems in place to develop their own players - they've never needed to pay transfer fees and so its never been part of their culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveT Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Don’t transfer fees between NRL clubs count on the salary cap? Certainly think that used to be the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
langpark Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 5 hours ago, DoubleD said: Why are transfer fees more commonplace in impoverished Super League but a rarity in cash rich NRL? Does promotion/relegation create more of a need for this over here, whereas in NRL they'd take a longer term view? I once asked this on the Aussie forum! Something to do with Aussie law apparently, have a read: http://forums.leagueunlimited.com/threads/why-no-transfer-fees-in-nrl.463516/ Really infuriates me though. As you get clubs in the poorer areas (Penrith, Newcastle, Parramatta) producing the talent then the like of Roosters (not producing any talent) walking in and signing whoever they want, without having to pay a transfer fee! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunedan Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Although rare, transfer fees are sometimes used in America. "Cash considerations" were in vogue in the NBA last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob8 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 On 15/3/2018 at 4:00 PM, paulwalker71 said: I do think there's something in that! Less and less decent players for the number of teams - hence the crazy talk about reducing the league. NRL clubs have systems in place to develop their own players - they've never needed to pay transfer fees and so its never been part of their culture. I really do not believe for a moment that that is the reason. I went through the clubs accounts on their annual reports. It makes it pretty clear what they need more of and it is not players. "You clearly have never met Bob8 then, he's like a veritable Bryan Ferry of RL." - Johnoco 19 Jul 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmduck Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 On 3/16/2018 at 2:26 AM, langpark said: I once asked this on the Aussie forum! Something to do with Aussie law apparently, have a read: http://forums.leagueunlimited.com/threads/why-no-transfer-fees-in-nrl.463516/ Really infuriates me though. As you get clubs in the poorer areas (Penrith, Newcastle, Parramatta) producing the talent then the like of Roosters (not producing any talent) walking in and signing whoever they want, without having to pay a transfer fee! The restraint of trade issues in the Tutty case had nothing to do with transfer fees. Clubs like Penrith aren't poor. Parramatta Leagues Club pulled in $76 million in 2016 and gave the Eels $9 million. Penrith's club is even richer. Nobody has to pay a transfer fee when players are off contract. Look at the players Easts signed this year - Cronk and Tedesco were both off contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marklaspalmas Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 What a throwback thread. It's almost as if Bosman never existed....?? https://www.fevarchive.co.uk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbruce Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 On 16/03/2018 at 8:12 PM, marklaspalmas said: What a throwback thread. It's almost as if Bosman never existed....?? Yeah that’s really killed the transfer market stone dead in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marklaspalmas Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 24 minutes ago, bobbruce said: Yeah that’s really killed the transfer market stone dead in football. It did in RL. https://www.fevarchive.co.uk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbruce Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 24 minutes ago, marklaspalmas said: It did in RL. Were they ever really that common you got a few big ones a year but nothing major. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Frightful Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 7 hours ago, bobbruce said: Were they ever really that common you got a few big ones a year but nothing major. Hull FC....The Sons of God... (Well, we are about to be crucified on Good Friday) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluded pom? Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Frankie Howerd signed for Hull KR in the 1970s. Ooh er mrs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Badrinath Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 On 15/03/2018 at 12:25 PM, DoubleD said: But doesn't the NFL have a draft system so won't allow transfer fees? Don't know about the other 2 recreational sports....... Nba does have a draft system, that's for new players coming into the league though. Their pay structure is done under a collective bargaining agreement. Essentially transfers(trades) take place on a salary for salary basis to, stay under their salary cap, it's all about managing assets for them. Certainly numbers on paper. Sometimes is players plus draft picks if they really want to sign somebody, on vary rare occasions you do see money getting sent but I think thats for low level contracts. It's a completely different business model, which always makes me chuckle when you hear rl fans say, let's introduce a draft like the do in American sports. It's a totally foreign set up, with all sports teams being franchises and having no responsiblility for junior development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marklaspalmas Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 9 hours ago, bobbruce said: Were they ever really that common you got a few big ones a year but nothing major. Not quite sure what you are talking about. Before Bosman virtually every single transfer involved a fee. https://www.fevarchive.co.uk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbruce Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 2 hours ago, marklaspalmas said: Not quite sure what you are talking about. Before Bosman virtually every single transfer involved a fee. Maybe my memory isn’t as good as yours then as I don’t remember it that way. Bosman only comes into play when a player is out of contract so doesn’t alter the way contracted players are transferred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marklaspalmas Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 10 minutes ago, bobbruce said: Maybe my memory isn’t as good as yours then as I don’t remember it that way. Bosman only comes into play when a player is out of contract so doesn’t alter the way contracted players are transferred. Before Bosman it was the "Retain and transfer" system so regardless of any contracts (there weren't many in the old days, most were on match payments) the club always retained a player's registration. Transferring that registration cost money. Every year Fev (and every other club I imagine) would have their squad, and a transfer list with the appropraite fee (to be negiotiated of course). Some players left on a "free transfer" but not many. Then Bosman, freedom of contract etc. Now every player has a contract. Most outsid ethe top flight are for one or two years max. So transfer fees basically died in RL, except for the odd unusual situation where a club really feels the need to get hold of a player before his contract is up. Fielden to Wigan was the last big one I remember. Westerman perhaps? Otherwise it's all the usual horse-trading (Hardaker, Watts, whoever) and we hardly get to hear of transfer fees at all. Pre 1995 it was all the rage. https://www.fevarchive.co.uk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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