southwalesrabbitoh Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 6 hours ago, Dunbar said: I think you should voluntarily pack this in now. Okay, but i want people like Ray Warren and Phil Gould to know that Britain is mainly Celtic DNA not Anglo-Saxon as they've said on Channel 9; this is why i mentioned re-education. I've heard a guy say, 'British by birth, English by the grace of God', well i say go back to Denmark or Germany then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattrhino Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 1 hour ago, southwalesrabbitoh said: Okay, but i want people like Ray Warren and Phil Gould to know that Britain is mainly Celtic DNA not Anglo-Saxon as they've said on Channel 9; this is why i mentioned re-education. I've heard a guy say, 'British by birth, English by the grace of God', well i say go back to Denmark or Germany then. There is quite a lot of interesting information and a good BBC doc that says that the Irish being Celtic is nothing but a myth with little to no proof of celts ever settling on the Island. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 11 hours ago, Dunbar said: I think you should voluntarily pack this in now. Wrong quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 7 hours ago, Abicus said: Just quietly, the ticket sales for the match against Tonga in a week look very grim. So where is all this fervent support for Tonga then, was the world cup a flash in the pan overidden on the crest of the occasion, if the attendance of this game is badly subscribed, I doubt very much it will have been the correct decision to play the 'Proper Test' the Kiwi's v Lions as a supporting act to Tonga v Australia the following week in Auckland, I always thought it was ridiculous not to have the host nation's game as top of the bill. Anyway my grandson who lives in Auckland informs me that the day of the triple header, coincides with the Mixed Nationalities Final in Japan, and if NZ are in the final that will take over everything else for the locals. NB. He tells me that amongst the League fraternity the word is the decision for GB to employ 3 'average' Aussies (not my words) say's alot about the game in the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunsletgreenandgold Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 41 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said: So where is all this fervent support for Tonga then, was the world cup a flash in the pan overidden on the crest of the occasion, if the attendance of this game is badly subscribed, I doubt very much it will have been the correct decision to play the 'Proper Test' the Kiwi's v Lions as a supporting act to Tonga v Australia the following week in Auckland, I always thought it was ridiculous not to have the host nation's game as top of the bill. Anyway my grandson who lives in Auckland informs me that the day of the triple header, coincides with the Mixed Nationalities Final in Japan, and if NZ are in the final that will take over everything else for the locals. NB. He tells me that amongst the League fraternity the word is the decision for GB to employ 3 'average' Aussies (not my words) say's alot about the game in the UK. When do you go out on the tour, Harry? I'm hoping for some 'boots on the ground' reporting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo5 Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Harry Stottle said: NB. He tells me that amongst the League fraternity the word is the decision for GB to employ 3 'average' Aussies (not my words) say's alot about the game in the UK. Is this the same fraternity who were happy to support the Kiwi's when they played Nathan Fien who had no NZ qualification or Is he Aussie,is he kiwi Tonie Carroll to name just 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 3 hours ago, hunsletgreenandgold said: When do you go out on the tour, Harry? I'm hoping for some 'boots on the ground' reporting. Next Wednesday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man of Kent Posted October 18, 2019 Author Share Posted October 18, 2019 After Sam Tomkins' performance this morning, his exclusion looks even more perplexing. He's a tremendous player and I hope he gets drafted in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 This will be the last Great Britain tour ever, the Crowds at the Nines at Bankwest Stadium will look good compared to what is coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 3 hours ago, Davo5 said: Is this the same fraternity who were happy to support the Kiwi's when they played Nathan Fien who had no NZ qualification or Is he Aussie,is he kiwi Tonie Carroll to name just 2. Only reporting what I have been told. Maybe those he spoke to were of the same opinion as me Dav, and thought unlike some that they have confidence in their own so no need to select the Aussies, have faith, apparently you ain't, but if that is the way those here see that is the way to go, maybe you lot are agreeing with those Kiwi's fan's that our flagship SL really is substandard, the 3 really are/were average in the NRL, otherwise they would without question still be employed over there, do you agree? Interesting that a few old English/GB caps are now publicly condemning the selections of these Aussies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 12 minutes ago, Gibbo said: This will be the last Great Britain tour ever, the Crowds at the Nines at Bankwest Stadium will look good compared to what is coming. Would it be any different if it was England touring Gibbo, if you think so please say why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 46 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said: Would it be any different if it was England touring Gibbo, if you think so please say why. I have lived in Australia and England for many years. Picking three Australians to tour will come across as desperate and make many fans come to the conclusion that England/GB can not produce their own players. The brand GB does not resonate down under as much as many here think it does IMO Calling the team England would carry more credibility I suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Themusician_2 Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 13 minutes ago, Gibbo said: I have lived in Australia and England for many years. Picking three Australians to tour will come across as desperate and make many fans come to the conclusion that England/GB can not produce their own players. The brand GB does not resonate down under as much as many here think it does IMO Calling the team England would carry more credibility I suspect. It doesn't even resonate here in England Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo5 Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 53 minutes ago, Gibbo said: I have lived in Australia and England for many years. Picking three Australians to tour will come across as desperate and make many fans come to the conclusion that England/GB can not produce their own players. The brand GB does not resonate down under as much as many here think it does IMO Calling the team England would carry more credibility I suspect. The tour is in NZ/PNG though not Australia and Aussies don't see foreign born players as a reason not to attend ashes cricket or union tests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo5 Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Harry Stottle said: Only reporting what I have been told. Maybe those he spoke to were of the same opinion as me Dav, and thought unlike some that they have confidence in their own so no need to select the Aussies, have faith, apparently you ain't, but if that is the way those here see that is the way to go, maybe you lot are agreeing with those Kiwi's fan's that our flagship SL really is substandard, the 3 really are/were average in the NRL, otherwise they would without question still be employed over there, do you agree? Interesting that a few old English/GB caps are now publicly condemning the selections of these Aussies. The squad was only announced this week so the inclusion of Coote,Hastings & Austin will have played no part in the poor ticket sales experienced so far despite you wishing it so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Gibbo said: I have lived in Australia and England for many years. Picking three Australians to tour will come across as desperate and make many fans come to the conclusion that England/GB can not produce their own players. The brand GB does not resonate down under as much as many here think it does IMO Calling the team England would carry more credibility I suspect. Agree wholeheartedly with the bit in bold, also never understood why the Aussies referred to the GB team of yesteryear as "The English" especially in those times when there were quite a lot of Welshmen in the team and we have had a smattering of Scots and some Irish also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Themusician_2 said: It doesn't even resonate here in England Yes it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 35 minutes ago, Davo5 said: The squad was only announced this week so the inclusion of Coote,Hastings & Austin will have played no part in the poor ticket sales experienced so far despite you wishing it so. And the other part of my post Dav, have you no comment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunsletgreenandgold Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said: Yes it does. Sorry to say it doesn't, Harry. In the other code it does massively - because they have genuine player offerings and fan buy in across all 4 nations. In our sport it is England in all but name and for all things the RFL take a kicking for I actually don't think brand England RL has faired too badly, relatively speaking, since the switch from GB. Which is what makes this whole tour all the more perplexing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, hunsletgreenandgold said: Sorry to say it doesn't, Harry. In the other code it does massively - because they have genuine player offerings and fan buy in across all 4 nations. In our sport it is England in all but name and for all things the RFL take a kicking for I actually don't think brand England RL has faired too badly, relatively speaking, since the switch from GB. Which is what makes this whole tour all the more perplexing. It would be interesting to compare the attendances of England over here since it's reincarnation in 07 to say the previous equivalent number of years as GB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunsletgreenandgold Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 25 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said: It would be interesting to compare the attendances of England over here since it's reincarnation in 07 to say the previous equivalent number of years as GB. I can't find a definitive table of attendances but the test series I can find on Wikipedia suggests not much change for better or worse - always averaging around the 25k mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieSaint Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 29 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said: It would be interesting to compare the attendances of England over here since it's reincarnation in 07 to say the previous equivalent number of years as GB. Link to GB attendances (you need to click into each Series): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Britain_national_rugby_league_team_game_results_(1991–present) Link to England attendances: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_national_rugby_league_team_results Golden age for GB was the early-mid 90s. That's what most people hark back to; what their nostalgic for. But then England have some excellent attendances at places like Wembley, Olympic Stadium and Elland Road since it's inception in 2008 (especially against New Zealand, which are better than against GB). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Themusician_2 Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Harry Stottle said: Yes it does. To nostalgic die-hards yes to most RL fans no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Themusician_2 Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 1 hour ago, GeordieSaint said: Link to GB attendances (you need to click into each Series): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Britain_national_rugby_league_team_game_results_(1991–present) Link to England attendances: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_national_rugby_league_team_results Golden age for GB was the early-mid 90s. That's what most people hark back to; what their nostalgic for. But then England have some excellent attendances at places like Wembley, Olympic Stadium and Elland Road since it's inception in 2008 (especially against New Zealand, which are better than against GB). NZ is our new main rival Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damp squib Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 3 hours ago, Themusician_2 said: It doesn't even resonate here in England It resonated with a small number of people that Nigel Wood needed to win over and that's why this "tour" exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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