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Seriously, the Daniel Craig Bond movies don't grab me at all. I've fallen asleep twice trying to watch Casino Royale. Mind you, that still makes it the best Bond film called Casino Royale, but that's not saying much.

"We are easily breakable, by illness or falling, or a million other ways of leaving this earthly life. We are just so much mashed potato."  Don Estelle

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23 minutes ago, Futtocks said:

Seriously, the Daniel Craig Bond movies don't grab me at all. I've fallen asleep twice trying to watch Casino Royale. Mind you, that still makes it the best Bond film called Casino Royale, but that's not saying much.

I don't know what someone was smoking when they decided to make Spectre cos that was the start of the end for the Craig films, essentially the idea of trying to link Quantum and Silva with Spectre even though there was no previous references or hints to this link in the previous 3 films, obviously because they hadn't thought of doing it before. You can't just retrofit a linked timeline into a load of standalone films and think it will work. And like I say, this latest films just makes the situation worse, overcomplicates it, completely disrespects everything that goes before Craig in the series. I do really like Casino Royale I must say but the following 4 films have been an utter disaster. 

And fine, just for you Futtocks, cos I like you, I will get off the fence:

I hated No Time to Die. It is the 3rd worst Bond film in my opinion. My bottom 3 goes thusly;

23. No Time to Die

24. A View to a Kill

25. Die Another Day

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3 minutes ago, DavidM said:

Skyfall was quite good but for me anyone but Sean just isn’t the real deal 

Connery set the style. Lazenby was better than some people like to suggest. Roger Moore made it more frivolous. Timothy Dalton tried to make his character more like the one in the books. Pierce Brosnan started pretty well but the movies weren't always up to scratch. Daniel Craig was the first of the "let's rip off the Bourne movies" Bonds.

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Just now, DavidM said:

1. Goldfinger

2. From Russia With Love 

3. Dr No

I challenge you to do your entire list mate! I've probably got an old one lying round here somewhere, I'll do it again tonight and post tomorrow! 😁

For now, my top 5:

1. On Her Majesty's Secret Service

2. From Russia With Love

3. The Living Daylights

4. Thunderball

5. For Your Eyes Only

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5 minutes ago, Futtocks said:

Connery set the style. Lazenby was better than some people like to suggest. Roger Moore made it more frivolous. Timothy Dalton tried to make his character more like the one in the books. Pierce Brosnan started pretty well but the movies weren't always up to scratch. Daniel Craig was the first of the "let's rip off the Bourne movies" Bonds.

I rewatched Dalton’s movies and they weren’t the best but yes he gave it more of a sort of cold blooded intensity that was a bit of what Craig would try to bring years later . I think he’s a bit undervalued tbh in the role 

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1 minute ago, The Hallucinating Goose said:

I challenge you to do your entire list mate! I've probably got an old one lying round here somewhere, I'll do it again tonight and post tomorrow! 😁

For now, my top 5:

1. On Her Majesty's Secret Service

2. From Russia With Love

3. The Living Daylights

4. Thunderball

5. For Your Eyes Only

Theme tunes 

1. Nobody Does It Better

2. Diamonds Are Forever 

3. Goldfinger

4. Live And Let Die

5. For Your Eyes Only

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10 minutes ago, Futtocks said:

Connery set the style. Lazenby was better than some people like to suggest. Roger Moore made it more frivolous. Timothy Dalton tried to make his character more like the one in the books. Pierce Brosnan started pretty well but the movies weren't always up to scratch. Daniel Craig was the first of the "let's rip off the Bourne movies" Bonds.

If you haven't already, it's worth locating the radio versions the BBC did not that long ago.

They do a lot about making the character match the books.

Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett)

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5 minutes ago, Futtocks said:

Connery set the style. Lazenby was better than some people like to suggest. Roger Moore made it more frivolous. Timothy Dalton tried to make his character more like the one in the books. Pierce Brosnan started pretty well but the movies weren't always up to scratch. Daniel Craig was the first of the "let's rip off the Bourne movies" Bonds.

That is pretty much my feelings towards each Bond. 

Connery is the iconic one who was a great actor and was treated to some brilliant films (aside from Diamonds which was excrement). 

Lazenby would be considered a much better Bond if he had done even just one more film. He wasn't the best actor but he certainly wasn't atrocious and as I've just pointed out above, his film is my favourite one. 

Moore was the first to take the series in a different direction of course with the obvious comedy elements, which whole not to my taste, do still make for some enjoyable films. Some are ridiculous but they know they are and play to that which is fine. 

You're completely correct saying Dalton tried to play the character like the original written by Fleming, he gets it just right and would be considered much better had everyone's image of Bond not been set by Connery. I personally love Dalton and it was a shame he didn't do more. 

Brosnan was fine, got nothing against him, as you say his films let him down. Goldeneye is good, the premise of Tomorrow Never Dies I personally think is a really good idea but it was executed badly. The World is Not Enough has a ridiculously convoluted story and is just a very boring film in which not a lot happens and Die Another Day is the worst film ever made. 

Craig. As I've said, I really like Casino Royale, went back to a more understated, quieter tone after the Brosnan action films, the rest of Craig's films though. Oh no. 

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4 minutes ago, DavidM said:

Theme tunes 

1. Nobody Does It Better

2. Diamonds Are Forever 

3. Goldfinger

4. Live And Let Die

5. For Your Eyes Only

Hmm, interesting category... Tough decision for the top spot... 

1. For Your Eyes Only

2. A View to a Kill

3. The Living Daylights

4. Live And Let Die

5. Thunderball

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3 minutes ago, The Hallucinating Goose said:

Hmm, interesting category... Tough decision for the top spot... 

1. For Your Eyes Only

2. A View to a Kill

3. The Living Daylights

4. Live And Let Die

5. Thunderball

I’ve been working on my Bond girl category and narrowed it down to Shirley Eaton , Tanya Roberts , Maud Adams, Britt Ekland , Daniela Bianchi , Claudine Auger , Madeleine Smith , Barbara Bach , Corinne Clery ( helicopter pilot in moonraker ) , Carole Bouquet , and the one who tries to crush bond with her thighs … but this is preliminary and I need to do much more research 

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3 minutes ago, DavidM said:

I’ve been working on my Bond girl category and narrowed it down to Shirley Eaton , Tanya Roberts , Maud Adams, Britt Ekland , Daniela Bianchi , Claudine Auger , Madeleine Smith , Barbara Bach , Corinne Clery ( helicopter pilot in moonraker ) , Carole Bouquet , and the one who tries to crush bond with her thighs … but this is preliminary and I need to do much more research 

Yeah, can never do too much research when it comes to Bond girls, particular study is needed of beach and underwater scenes, pausing and zooming in is key in these situations. 😁

Before really thinking too much about a ranking for that category I will say that I have always adored and very much been in love with Claudine Auger right from when I was a kid and saw that film for the first time. 😍

What I will say as well is the WORST Bond girl is without a doubt Denise Richards. One of the world's worst actresses playing a hotpant wearing nuclear scientist, yeah that's believable... Closely followed by Halle Berry who for God knows what reason was in the NSA not the CIA and would be stuck behind a desk playing on a computer not running round in the field. 

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1 hour ago, DavidM said:

Theme tunes 

1. Nobody Does It Better

2. Diamonds Are Forever 

3. Goldfinger

4. Live And Let Die

5. For Your Eyes Only

1. You Know My Name - Chris Cornell.

2. License to Kill - Gladys Knight.

3. For Your Eyes Only - Sheena Easton.

The latest 3 songs are unbelievably dreary, utter dirge.

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I saw No Time to Die on Sunday. I loved Bond as a kid but while I still enjoy them I am far from an obsessive (and haven't seen them all).

My view on it is perfectly entertaining but basically a Mission:Impossible film - with a good splash of Marvel - with British accents.

My main issue is what they have done with Bond's character.

In this one, Bond asks a very attractive woman to look away as he gets changed and instantly rejects the prospect of a shag instead of keeping up the British end. For shame!

Call me an old fart but softening Bond's hard edges sort of ruins him. Bond as team player in a sort of ‘MI6 Avengers’, a romantic monogamist and even - gosh! - a father is a long way from the original conception.

Just as well Daniel Craig has retired or the next one might've seen him doing the dishes in marigolds while wifey is at work.

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"We are easily breakable, by illness or falling, or a million other ways of leaving this earthly life. We are just so much mashed potato."  Don Estelle

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Seen the new Bond and the new Venom films in the past fortnight. I was significantly happier with the latter.

The Craig era is far more true to the books I feel. Which would be fine if the books weren't terrible... They also suffer from the obsession with back story and retrospective interlinking that plagues a lot of modern cinema. Skyfall was a fantastic movie, genuinely one of my favourites, but in the next movie they were intent on making Da Silva a part of Spectre. Then the baddy in NTTD is lacklustre at best and is a poor imitation of a villain archetype they have done in the previous 2 films.

I definitely think the next Bond will be a left field, possibly unheard of choice, and they will go back to a more Roger Moore-esque lighter hearted approach. Craig always seemed to be so close to breaking out of the dour, Bourne-esque style scripts he had.

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1 hour ago, Tommygilf said:

Seen the new Bond and the new Venom films in the past fortnight. I was significantly happier with the latter.

The Craig era is far more true to the books I feel. Which would be fine if the books weren't terrible... They also suffer from the obsession with back story and retrospective interlinking that plagues a lot of modern cinema. Skyfall was a fantastic movie, genuinely one of my favourites, but in the next movie they were intent on making Da Silva a part of Spectre. Then the baddy in NTTD is lacklustre at best and is a poor imitation of a villain archetype they have done in the previous 2 films.

I definitely think the next Bond will be a left field, possibly unheard of choice, and they will go back to a more Roger Moore-esque lighter hearted approach. Craig always seemed to be so close to breaking out of the dour, Bourne-esque style scripts he had.

Highlighted two points there. 

Trying to make Silva part of Spectre is one of the worst things ever attempted in Bond, that one little mistake completely ruined the Craig era, tbh trying to link all the Craig films was a bad mistake to start with, along with the abandonment of the Quantum idea in favour of unnecessarily bringing back Spectre, no need to do that, Quantum was developing fine. And making Blofeld Bond's brother? Oh no! Absolute blasphemy that was to a hardcore Bond fan..! 

Your last paragraph there is pretty much the opinion of most of us obsessives and quite frankly I hope to God they do go back down the root of standalone, simple films. A megalomaniac wants to take over the world, Bond walks into M's office, gets an assignment to stop the nutter, goes to an exotic location, meets a halfwit but attractive woman, investigates the nutcase, stops the nutcase, credits roll. Let's stop all this experimenting that just has not worked and start making some traditional Bond films again! 

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On 20/10/2021 at 14:42, my missus said:

i watched Dune the other day and thought this version was very good also surprised to find there is a part two.

 

There actually isn't a Part 2...yet. It's been written to be 2 parts, but Part 2 hasn't been greenlit and solely depends on the performance of the first one, which isn't agiven right now because it's getting a simultaneous home release on HBO Max in the US which will suck up quite a bit of box office revenue.

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