gingerjon Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 8 hours ago, Just Browny said: A genocide much celebrated in your adopted hometown. I haven't got round to seeing the exhibition yet but it is on my bucketlist. To be moderately fair, if you go to the visitor centre at Battle they are quite clear on what happened as a result of the get together at Hastings. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copa Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 On 11/19/2018 at 3:37 AM, Shadow said: Fig [2] Copa, yesterday I’ve just ordered a unicycle. dear god.... what have I gone and done!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob8 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Copa said: I’ve just ordered a unicycle. dear god.... what have I gone and done!? @Phil, We have a challenger for your position as forum hipster! "You clearly have never met Bob8 then, he's like a veritable Bryan Ferry of RL." - Johnoco 19 Jul 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Bob8 said: @Phil, We have a challenger for your position as forum hipster! Hipster? You want me to come over there? I’m a Skinhead and don’t you forget it!!! "Freedom without socialism is privilege and injustice, socialism without freedom is slavery and brutality" - Mikhail Bakunin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob8 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 2 hours ago, Phil said: Hipster? You want me to come over there? I’m a Skinhead and don’t you forget it!!! The cool kids are skinheads these days? Got it! "You clearly have never met Bob8 then, he's like a veritable Bryan Ferry of RL." - Johnoco 19 Jul 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonM Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 On 11/25/2018 at 6:47 PM, gingerjon said: The same people who gave us our language and who were, in 1016, consolidating into a powerful unified kingdom were within 50 years facing a genocide that would wipe their entire culture out. A genocide that left us all speaking English? One that statistical DNA analysis shows is barely detectable in the genetic make up of England's population? (Although, to be fair, the genetic evidence suggests that the Anglo-Saxon invasion in the first place was mostly people already living here adopting a new culture rather than a large population change.) Couple of new housing estates being built on the edge of the village where I live. Both turned up quite a lot of Anglo Saxon remains. They were running free tours of the digs on Saturday - estimated around 500 people came to have a look round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnM Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-46347307 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 53 minutes ago, JonM said: A genocide that left us all speaking English? One that statistical DNA analysis shows is barely detectable in the genetic make up of England's population? (Although, to be fair, the genetic evidence suggests that the Anglo-Saxon invasion in the first place was mostly people already living here adopting a new culture rather than a large population change.) Couple of new housing estates being built on the edge of the village where I live. Both turned up quite a lot of Anglo Saxon remains. They were running free tours of the digs on Saturday - estimated around 500 people came to have a look round. I'm honestly not sure what DNA evidence proves either way. That the people who remained were similar to the people from before and who came after? That they were the ones who survived to breed or that there was no issue and all was fine? Certainly who owned the land and the entire culture around it was manifestly different from 1066 than what had gone before. Even the English language changed beyond recognition, far far more than other languages - and it was quite a while after 1066 before we were 'all' speaking English whereas we really all had been before. And that's about the limit of my understanding. I may need to read some more books to be able to continue this conversation. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonM Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 1 minute ago, gingerjon said: I'm honestly not sure what DNA evidence proves either way. I think the main conclusion is that the historical evidence, the archaeological evidence, linguistic evidence and the DNA evidence don't match up very well. Also that the people of the Mendip Hills and the Fens haven't had too much outside DNA since the end of the last Ice Age Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 16 minutes ago, gingerjon said: I'm honestly not sure what DNA evidence proves either way. That the people who remained were similar to the people from before and who came after? That they were the ones who survived to breed or that there was no issue and all was fine? Certainly who owned the land and the entire culture around it was manifestly different from 1066 than what had gone before. Even the English language changed beyond recognition, far far more than other languages - and it was quite a while after 1066 before we were 'all' speaking English whereas we really all had been before. And that's about the limit of my understanding. I may need to read some more books to be able to continue this conversation. What happened was what historians call a “change of elites” basically the Anglo-Danish nobility were replaced by a Norman nobility "Freedom without socialism is privilege and injustice, socialism without freedom is slavery and brutality" - Mikhail Bakunin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 William the conqueror is a lot better name than the contemporary William the Ba$tard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 As an aside, it's quite interesting to go to Bayeux and see both the Tapestry (which is Totes Amazeballs) and then the Museum which is quite eye opening in terms of how it links northern France and southern England into a unified history (in this period at least). I'd not seen it laid out so clearly before. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, DavidM said: William the conqueror is a lot better name than the contemporary William the Ba$tard Who knew they even had dollars back then? Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Just now, gingerjon said: Who knew they even had dollars back then? Oh yes those Normans , way ahead of their time . They invented the internet ... no they didn’t really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim2 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 32 minutes ago, gingerjon said: As an aside, it's quite interesting to go to Bayeux and see both the Tapestry (which is Totes Amazeballs) and then the Museum which is quite eye opening in terms of how it links northern France and southern England into a unified history (in this period at least). I'd not seen it laid out so clearly before. <QI KLAXON> It's not a tapestry, it's an embroidery. "I am the avenging angel; I come with wings unfurled, I come with claws extended from halfway round the world. I am the God Almighty, I am the howling wind. I care not for your family; I care not for your kin. I come in search of terror, though terror is my own; I come in search of vengeance for crimes and crimes unknown. I care not for your children, I care not for your wives, I care not for your country, I care not for your lives." - (c) Jim Boyes - "The Avenging Angel" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleep1673 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Marc Morris, The Norman Conquest is a very interesting read on how the f***-up happened, and why the nobility changed so radically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 I went to France and had a nice time: https://jonsmalldon.wordpress.com/2018/11/29/at-the-match-usdk-dunkerque-2527-nimes-lidl-starligue-handball/ Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copa Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 On 11/27/2018 at 4:43 PM, Copa said: I’ve just ordered a unicycle. dear god.... what have I gone and done!? It was day 1 yesterday and I must have fallen off at least 100 times. Nothing major though. There were a few all body falls but most were stumbles and not painful. My body is currently in pain though and I was sweating like a pig while practising. It’s hard work. I went three revolutions on 3 occasions. All other attempts were either half or one revolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 13 minutes ago, Copa said: It was day 1 yesterday and I must have fallen off at least 100 times. Nothing major though. There were a few all body falls but most were stumbles and not painful. My body is currently in pain though and I was sweating like a pig while practising. It’s hard work. I went three revolutions on 3 occasions. All other attempts were either half or one revolution. Be careful, I feel slightly responsible for this lunacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copa Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 6 minutes ago, Shadow said: Be careful, I feel slightly responsible for this lunacy. The young kids at the nearby after school care facility thought it was hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 3 hours ago, Copa said: The young kids at the nearby after school care facility thought it was hilarious. You know the saying, pictures or it didn't happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copa Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 3 minutes ago, Shadow said: You know the saying, pictures or it didn't happen my oldest son actually wanted to leave the Xbox and take footage for his social media accounts but for probably the first time ever I told him to stay indoors and keep playing games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckn Posted November 30, 2018 Author Share Posted November 30, 2018 I have a family funeral to attend next Friday. This will be the one that makes this year have the most funerals I've ever attended in a single year. The perils of getting older I take it... the alternative isn't very appealing though! "When in deadly danger, when beset by doubt; run in little circles, wave your arms and shout" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, ckn said: I have a family funeral to attend next Friday. This will be the one that makes this year have the most funerals I've ever attended in a single year. The perils of getting older I take it... the alternative isn't very appealing though! Bit harsh mate, I've got relatives I don't get on with but saying the alternative to them being dead is unappealing goes further than I would be happy with admitting on a public forum. Unless you meant in a walking dead zombie apocalypse style, in which case I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckn Posted November 30, 2018 Author Share Posted November 30, 2018 Just now, Shadow said: Bit harsh mate, I've got relatives I don't get on with but saying the alternative to them being dead is unappealing goes further than I would be happy with admitting on a public forum. Unless you meant in a walking dead zombie apocalypse style, in which case I agree. I meant the alternative to me getting older. And, unless you've ever been in Basildon high street during a working day then you have no clue about a zombie apocalypse. "When in deadly danger, when beset by doubt; run in little circles, wave your arms and shout" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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