Lowdesert Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 Seems Carter has enquired about buying the lease and Hudgell wants the ground. HDM, so the truth might be somewhere in between. Chalmers is not happy. https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/rugby-league-news/bradford-bulls-chairman-ignites-hull-1864298 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adeybull Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 Already covered ad nauseum here. I' very much question whether either of these two actually want Odsal. What it seems some people ARE thinking is that they are (perhaps undertstandably) firing shots at the RFL regarding the write-down of the Odsal "investment" (sic) in the RFL accounts. And, maybe, trying to influence what happens next. I do wish they would go take up the issue with Big Nige, since - after all - he's the one who seems to have been central to everything Bradford from the RFL side, when Chalmers had nothing to do with Bradford. These two have never been sympathetic to Bradford, and we saw the other week Hudgell firing off at Chalmers in IMO a most unprofessional manner. Looks like he sure hit a raw nerve somewhere? Made Chalmers' various (IMO sometimes unwise) comments seem the epitome of diplomacy by comparison. Hudgell made it clear what the view of him, and some other (un-named) SL club owners would be if Bradford ever had the temerity to qualify for SL on merit. I suspect supporters of their own clubs would prefer they invest in their OWN clubs (not sure how much Carter HAS to invest, mind, given the absolute complete shambles of securing where his OWN club will be playing...) rather than try and screw the RFL and Bradford? RL supporters are a long-suffering lot, but they are no fools. I'm sure they will recognise petty politics being played, where it pertains? And Wakey supporters in particular - a sound RL and totally decent constituency, even if one or two bad apples of their number have long since been removed from Bulls' fans Xmas card lists - may wish to question what on earth their owner is playing at? Given their own (and I chuffing well sympathise, big-time) parlous stadium situation? The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wise people so full of doubts. Bury your memories; bury your friends. Leave it alone for a year or two. Till the stories grow hazy, and the legends come true. Then do it again - some things never end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowdesert Posted August 5, 2018 Author Share Posted August 5, 2018 Yes, strange that they want to invest in Odsal and not/as well as their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scubby Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 33 minutes ago, Adeybull said: Already covered ad nauseum here. I' very much question whether either of these two actually want Odsal. What it seems some people ARE thinking is that they are (perhaps undertstandably) firing shots at the RFL regarding the write-down of the Odsal "investment" (sic) in the RFL accounts. And, maybe, trying to influence what happens next. I do wish they would go take up the issue with Big Nige, since - after all - he's the one who seems to have been central to everything Bradford from the RFL side, when Chalmers had nothing to do with Bradford. These two have never been sympathetic to Bradford, and we saw the other week Hudgell firing off at Chalmers in IMO a most unprofessional manner. Looks like he sure hit a raw nerve somewhere? Made Chalmers' various (IMO sometimes unwise) comments seem the epitome of diplomacy by comparison. Hudgell made it clear what the view of him, and some other (un-named) SL club owners would be if Bradford ever had the temerity to qualify for SL on merit. I suspect supporters of their own clubs would prefer they invest in their OWN clubs (not sure how much Carter HAS to invest, mind, given the absolute complete shambles of securing where his OWN club will be playing...) rather than try and screw the RFL and Bradford? RL supporters are a long-suffering lot, but they are no fools. I'm sure they will recognise petty politics being played, where it pertains? And Wakey supporters in particular - a sound RL and totally decent constituency, even if one or two bad apples of their number have long since been removed from Bulls' fans Xmas card lists - may wish to question what on earth their owner is playing at? Given their own (and I chuffing well sympathise, big-time) parlous stadium situation? If you express a serious interest in purchasing somewhere like Odsal I assume you can then request full account details and existing contracts/caveats etc. To that end, it can then theoretically double up as fact finding for a potential dispute further down the road? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluded pom? Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, Scubby said: If you express a serious interest in purchasing somewhere like Odsal I assume you can then request full account details and existing contracts/caveats etc. To that end, it can then theoretically double up as fact finding for a potential dispute further down the road? They are interested in buying the lease not the stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scubby Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 1 minute ago, deluded pom? said: They are interested in buying the lease not the stadium. Okay but same premise applies I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adeybull Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Scubby said: If you express a serious interest in purchasing somewhere like Odsal I assume you can then request full account details and existing contracts/caveats etc. To that end, it can then theoretically double up as fact finding for a potential dispute further down the road? Guess it depends on whether you actually submit a serious notice of interest, rather than just blab off in the media? But yes, very good point. Watch this space for certain club owners challenging the RFL, should they announce they are looking at liquidating their "investment" now Big Nige has been defenesrated? The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wise people so full of doubts. Bury your memories; bury your friends. Leave it alone for a year or two. Till the stories grow hazy, and the legends come true. Then do it again - some things never end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WakefieldCityLoyal Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, deluded pom? said: They are interested in buying the lease not the stadium. Will the lease enable us to play there until Wakefield Community Stadium is sorted? Up the Trin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adeybull Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 1 minute ago, deluded pom? said: They are interested in buying the lease not the stadium. Amounts to the same thing, since the lease is a 150-year peppercorn-rent lease that is tantamount to freehold...provided whatever covenants pertain to the head lease are observed. But they can almost certainly go whistle, since there is no way on this planet that Bradford Council would be able to assign the lease to anyone other than someone who commits to a Bradford club playing professional RL there. Unless the site is to be sold for development, with a decent wedge going to the Council. The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wise people so full of doubts. Bury your memories; bury your friends. Leave it alone for a year or two. Till the stories grow hazy, and the legends come true. Then do it again - some things never end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluded pom? Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 1 minute ago, WakefieldCityLoyal said: Will the lease enable us to play there until Wakefield Community Stadium is sorted? Up the Trin No idea mate. I suppose that would depend on who, if anybody, ends up with the lease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adeybull Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, WakefieldCityLoyal said: Will the lease enable us to play there until Wakefield Community Stadium is sorted? Up the Trin Makes you wonder! But would this really be a "solution" Trin supporters would want? Since, once you leave your ground you lose much of your bargainig position. The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wise people so full of doubts. Bury your memories; bury your friends. Leave it alone for a year or two. Till the stories grow hazy, and the legends come true. Then do it again - some things never end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WakefieldCityLoyal Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 2 hours ago, Lowdesert said: Seems Carter has enquired about buying the lease and Hudgell wants the ground. HDM, so the truth might be somewhere in between. Chalmers is not happy. https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/rugby-league-news/bradford-bulls-chairman-ignites-hull-1864298 Just read the article, think Chalmers needs to know the facts about our situation before spouting off, very unprofessional. Up the Trin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adeybull Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 Just now, WakefieldCityLoyal said: Just read the article, think Chalmers needs to know the facts about our situation before spouting off, very unprofessional. Up the Trin Don't think ANY of the club owners involved have exactly covered thewmselves in glory over this politicking? The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wise people so full of doubts. Bury your memories; bury your friends. Leave it alone for a year or two. Till the stories grow hazy, and the legends come true. Then do it again - some things never end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Tonks Sidestep Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 7 minutes ago, WakefieldCityLoyal said: Just read the article, think Chalmers needs to know the facts about our situation before spouting off, very unprofessional. Up the Trin Go on then. tell us what the 'facts' are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WakefieldCityLoyal Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said: Go on then. tell us what the 'facts' are. Well Belle Vue is not for sale for starters hasn’t been for a couple of years. Up the Trin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WakefieldCityLoyal Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 18 minutes ago, Adeybull said: Don't think ANY of the club owners involved have exactly covered thewmselves in glory over this politicking? I’ve not read what Carters said to be honest, so can’t comment. Up the Trin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WakefieldCityLoyal Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 35 minutes ago, Adeybull said: Makes you wonder! But would this really be a "solution" Trin supporters would want? Since, once you leave your ground you lose much of your bargainig position. If it goes to judicial review regarding the councils handling or lack of it of the community stadium 106 agreement which is a strong possibility. It could be a good option then sell the lease if the Wakefield Community Stadium which was promised gets built. Up the Trin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakey Til I Die Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 1 hour ago, WakefieldCityLoyal said: If it goes to judicial review regarding the councils handling or lack of it of the community stadium 106 agreement which is a strong possibility. It could be a good option then sell the lease if the Wakefield Community Stadium which was promised gets built. Up the Trin It won’t be going to a judicial review i can promise you that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 Maybe Carter should have just bought Belle Vue back instead of looking at leases in a different city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookey Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Someone,somehow needs to redevelope Odsal - as it stands,it is nowhere near adequate for top class,professional sport. Frankly,I fear it is not financially viable. I would love to see Bradford back in SL but not playing at an embarrassment of a ground,which would further harm the already poor perception/image of rugby league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Tonks Sidestep Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 13 hours ago, WakefieldCityLoyal said: Well Belle Vue is not for sale for starters hasn’t been for a couple of years. Up the Trin True, but it was until quite recently 11 hours ago, Damien said: Maybe Carter should have just bought Belle Vue back instead of looking at leases in a different city. Why any club would deliberately choose not to buy and then own their own ground is mind boggling, especially given the history of their supposed new builds... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleftherios Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 5 minutes ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said: True, but it was until quite recently Why any club would deliberately choose not to buy and then own their own ground is mind boggling, especially given the history of their supposed new builds... You should ask Sir Rodney Walker why the club didn't bid for the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPosh Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 14 hours ago, WakefieldCityLoyal said: Will the lease enable us to play there until Wakefield Community Stadium is sorted? Up the Trin I don't think any of us can see 100 years into the future. People called Romans they go the house Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolford6 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 17 minutes ago, MrPosh said: I don't think any of us can see 100 years into the future. I can. It's called 5 drives and a kick. Under Scrutiny by the Right-On Thought Police Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolford6 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Many people may not realise how big Bradford Council's Odsal "estate" is if the Richard Dunn Centre is included (it certainly used to be): https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Odsal+Stadium/@53.7658427,-1.7593887,477m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x487be72b44ab1607:0x53f725fa7c13db91!8m2!3d53.762672!4d-1.76072?hl=en Beyond that, there are two major areas of "flat" open grassland to the south and southwest ... both owned by the council. Under Scrutiny by the Right-On Thought Police Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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