tim2 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 51 minutes ago, DavidM said: Well Aston needs to buy lots of players as he doesn’t want to use dual reg does he ? No siree , hates it . Would never use it ...those other clubs that do ... It's the last resort for clubs that are on their a**e - it really doesn't work other than a sticking plaster. It was either that or bye bye Eagles, which I'm sure would have pleased a lot of fans who'd like nothing better than for RL to be played by 3 clubs within walking distance of their house. "I am the avenging angel; I come with wings unfurled, I come with claws extended from halfway round the world. I am the God Almighty, I am the howling wind. I care not for your family; I care not for your kin. I come in search of terror, though terror is my own; I come in search of vengeance for crimes and crimes unknown. I care not for your children, I care not for your wives, I care not for your country, I care not for your lives." - (c) Jim Boyes - "The Avenging Angel" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just now, tim2 said: It's the last resort for clubs that are on their a**e - it really doesn't work other than a sticking plaster. It was either that or bye bye Eagles, which I'm sure would have pleased a lot of fans who'd like nothing better than for RL to be played by 3 clubs within walking distance of their house. That’s why you should always be wary of being superior and calling other clubs . You never know whats round the corner or what situation other teams are in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tre Cool Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 3 hours ago, Tommygilf said: From what I've heard thats about upgrading Sheffield Collegiate up to 1st class level so that it can be used as an out ground. YCCC have also done something at Bradford PA too iirc. Sheffield is a bit like Liverpool I guess. Football mad. Perhaps our strategy should be different. That's a cop out imo, Sheffield Steelers came from nothing and do pretty well with crowds in the city. RL always has an excuse at the ready for poorly run clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graveyard johnny Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 on holiday this year I was telling 3 guys from Sheffield (football fans in their late 40s early 50s)about them beating wigan at Wembley and it been one of the biggest sporting upsets in history- they knew nothing about it or had any knowledge of it= felt sad at that see you later undertaker - in a while necrophile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southerner80 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 5 hours ago, Manx RL said: Great names What has happened to Lo? He's back in PNG, but he wasn't in the National side for the Knights game...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manx RL Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 33 minutes ago, Southerner80 said: What has happened to Lo? He's back in PNG, but he wasn't in the National side for the Knights game...? Maybe Gary Schofield can shed some light on it - Adepto Successu Per Tributum Fuga - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Daddy Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Southerner80 said: What has happened to Lo? He's back in PNG, but he wasn't in the National side for the Knights game...? He signed for Carcassone I heard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim2 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 5 hours ago, Tre Cool said: That's a cop out imo, Sheffield Steelers came from nothing and do pretty well with crowds in the city. RL always has an excuse at the ready for poorly run clubs. It's arguable that between 1999 and the loss of Don Valley (followed by the calamatous decision to go full-time) Sheffield were one of the best run clubs in RL. They never had a big investor and always stayed within budget, rising to the Championship and winning it twice. "I am the avenging angel; I come with wings unfurled, I come with claws extended from halfway round the world. I am the God Almighty, I am the howling wind. I care not for your family; I care not for your kin. I come in search of terror, though terror is my own; I come in search of vengeance for crimes and crimes unknown. I care not for your children, I care not for your wives, I care not for your country, I care not for your lives." - (c) Jim Boyes - "The Avenging Angel" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tre Cool Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just now, tim2 said: It's arguable that between 1999 and the loss of Don Valley (followed by the calamatous decision to go full-time) Sheffield were one of the best run clubs in RL. They never had a big investor and always stayed within budget, rising to the Championship and winning it twice. Maybe on the pitch, but in terms of engaging the city and new supporters very much not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim2 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just now, Tre Cool said: Maybe on the pitch, but in terms of engaging the city and new supporters very much not. The comparison with the Steelers is a bit unfair - their roster is packed with Canadians and they are in the top league. With the same funding and being allowed to roster 15 Aussies and Kiwis the Eagles would be in Super League, where you may remember they got crowds of 4000+ on a regular basis. It's a lot easier to advertise and engage when you play with full-time players in the top division. "I am the avenging angel; I come with wings unfurled, I come with claws extended from halfway round the world. I am the God Almighty, I am the howling wind. I care not for your family; I care not for your kin. I come in search of terror, though terror is my own; I come in search of vengeance for crimes and crimes unknown. I care not for your children, I care not for your wives, I care not for your country, I care not for your lives." - (c) Jim Boyes - "The Avenging Angel" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelic Cynic Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Sheffield Eagles to announce another signing in the morning. May cause a reaction in and around Dewsbury. No reserves,but resilience,persistence and determination are omnipotent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tre Cool Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 19 minutes ago, tim2 said: The comparison with the Steelers is a bit unfair - their roster is packed with Canadians and they are in the top league. With the same funding and being allowed to roster 15 Aussies and Kiwis the Eagles would be in Super League, where you may remember they got crowds of 4000+ on a regular basis. It's a lot easier to advertise and engage when you play with full-time players in the top division. The top league of ice hockey has zero profile and no tv money. RL has a huge head start on ice hockey. Ice hockey clubs in the UK are so much more progressive than the build it and hope they'll come mentality of most UK RL clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tre Cool Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, Angelic Cynic said: Sheffield Eagles to announce another signing in the morning. May cause a reaction in and around Dewsbury. Stevo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henage Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 5 hours ago, graveyard johnny said: on holiday this year I was telling 3 guys from Sheffield (football fans in their late 40s early 50s)about them beating wigan at Wembley and it been one of the biggest sporting upsets in history- they knew nothing about it or had any knowledge of it= felt sad at that Few years ago I was sat in a pub half way down the slope in Robin Hoods Bay talking League with a couple of people who lived in the area but use to live near Sheffield . One had put a lot of volunteering effort into the game both professional and into the amateur side . Both watched the Eagles on a regular basis . Cant remember names as I was on the Old Peculiar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleD Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 I don’t know where Hunslet are getting their money from, they seem to be attracting a lot of Championship players to make a real push to go up next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelic Cynic Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 12 hours ago, Tre Cool said: Stevo? Possibly.It is all the talk in Australia. They are even leaving the question scrawled on toilet walls in the pubs - and in the airport. ' Where are Sheffield Eagles getting their money?' We may find out. No reserves,but resilience,persistence and determination are omnipotent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Clothesoff Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Good luck to them. Hopefully they get back on a better financial footing. I believe Aston wants to keep a relationship with Saints and I hope we do. It’s helped Jack Ashworth come on leaps and bounds and hopefully a few more of the younger lads and can get game time in a decent Championship side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim2 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 13 hours ago, Tre Cool said: The top league of ice hockey has zero profile and no tv money. RL has a huge head start on ice hockey. Ice hockey clubs in the UK are so much more progressive than the build it and hope they'll come mentality of most UK RL clubs. You do have a point about small time thinking. I may equally ask - with no TV deal, where does ice hockey get its money from? "I am the avenging angel; I come with wings unfurled, I come with claws extended from halfway round the world. I am the God Almighty, I am the howling wind. I care not for your family; I care not for your kin. I come in search of terror, though terror is my own; I come in search of vengeance for crimes and crimes unknown. I care not for your children, I care not for your wives, I care not for your country, I care not for your lives." - (c) Jim Boyes - "The Avenging Angel" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tre Cool Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 8 minutes ago, tim2 said: You do have a point about small time thinking. I may equally ask - with no TV deal, where does ice hockey get its money from? Sponsorship and attendances i guess. Maybe some tv money from European comps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim2 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, Tre Cool said: Sponsorship and attendances i guess. Maybe some tv money from European comps? They are obviously not as obsessed with attendances as in RL - I can't find any published figures for attendance at Steelers' last game. They are struggling this year - tonight's game against Coventry has all tickets at £5. I suspect selling sponsorship for a game indoors at the Arena is easier than a Sunday afternoon game of RL in a near open field in February. In other differences - the league is franchised, allows owners to own more than one team and has a huge turnover of defunct clubs. "I am the avenging angel; I come with wings unfurled, I come with claws extended from halfway round the world. I am the God Almighty, I am the howling wind. I care not for your family; I care not for your kin. I come in search of terror, though terror is my own; I come in search of vengeance for crimes and crimes unknown. I care not for your children, I care not for your wives, I care not for your country, I care not for your lives." - (c) Jim Boyes - "The Avenging Angel" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colly Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 On 10/30/2018 at 11:46 AM, Anonymouse said: I thought the idea of closed season is to spend a bit of money on good players , who isnt doing this ? Sadly for us Widnes at the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tre Cool Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 1 hour ago, tim2 said: They are obviously not as obsessed with attendances as in RL - I can't find any published figures for attendance at Steelers' last game. They are struggling this year - tonight's game against Coventry has all tickets at £5. I suspect selling sponsorship for a game indoors at the Arena is easier than a Sunday afternoon game of RL in a near open field in February. In other differences - the league is franchised, allows owners to own more than one team and has a huge turnover of defunct clubs. Sheffield average last year 5297 Nottingham average last year 5692 Pretty good for a foreign sport in 2 soccer cities. Better than half of our SL clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim2 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 31 minutes ago, Tre Cool said: Sheffield average last year 5297 Nottingham average last year 5692 Pretty good for a foreign sport in 2 soccer cities. Better than half of our SL clubs. Average attendance across all games was 2500. Most of them play in arenas with capacity less than that. "I am the avenging angel; I come with wings unfurled, I come with claws extended from halfway round the world. I am the God Almighty, I am the howling wind. I care not for your family; I care not for your kin. I come in search of terror, though terror is my own; I come in search of vengeance for crimes and crimes unknown. I care not for your children, I care not for your wives, I care not for your country, I care not for your lives." - (c) Jim Boyes - "The Avenging Angel" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tre Cool Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 32 minutes ago, tim2 said: Average attendance across all games was 2500. Most of them play in arenas with capacity less than that. Im not sure what point you're making? My point is a "foreign" sport in a "soccer" city can attract a good fanbase by identifying a target market and selling to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim2 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 24 minutes ago, Tre Cool said: Im not sure what point you're making? My point is a "foreign" sport in a "soccer" city can attract a good fanbase by identifying a target market and selling to them. And being in the top league, protected from relegation, for 27 years. Even then, they've had difficulties. "I am the avenging angel; I come with wings unfurled, I come with claws extended from halfway round the world. I am the God Almighty, I am the howling wind. I care not for your family; I care not for your kin. I come in search of terror, though terror is my own; I come in search of vengeance for crimes and crimes unknown. I care not for your children, I care not for your wives, I care not for your country, I care not for your lives." - (c) Jim Boyes - "The Avenging Angel" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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