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22 minutes ago, Maximus Decimus said:

And its only getting worse. Social media has slowly progressed to its absolute basest form.

I came off Facebook a few years ago, because I saw it for what it was: people trying hard to show off. However, at least there were other aspects to it. 

Instagram and now TikTok appear to be the worst elements of Facebook magnified. It encourages people to post about themselves all day long. I am concerned about the long term effects this is going to have on society.

I think it was gingerjon who said that nastiness has become normalised in our society and he couldn't be more right.

I was off Facebook for years but went back on last year. I am currently on a break from it again, although I haven’t deleted my account like I did before. People just lose their sh it over nothing and rows escalate like crazy. After the election I had a guy, who I’ve known since I was about 14 ranting and raving about how I’d betrayed everyone by not voting for Jeremy Corbyn. I told him to FO, which possibly makes me as bad but that’s the sort of thing that happens on there.

I know he’s actually took the hump into real life as he always asked if I was going to certain gigs but hasn’t been in touch since that. I also know one guy who used to be quite racist and he’s now lecturing people about it and claiming to have always been some sort of Socialist Worker type. People can be so full of carp. 

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4 minutes ago, Dave T said:

I'm not sure what you mean, I haven't seen the sun. 

(Excuse the flippant comment on this serious thread)

That's because you live in Edinburgh... It's either grey or very grey.

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2 hours ago, Johnoco said:

 I don’t follow either of those guys, as I dislike both. However, people just saying ‘eff off’ (and the rest) does nothing to reduce the toxic atmosphere of Twitter, in fact all it does is encourage his followers to behave similarly with people they disagree with. You’re absolutely right though, PM is also part of the problem.

 I now look at Twitter for 5 minutes to find out what I need to know about certain bands or radio shows then I’m out. It’s horrible.

I take your point about the response, but the fpul language doesn't particularly offend me tbh, and Irvine Walsh has a certain, style, shall we say! 

But maybe he could have explained his point more clearly as it was obviously going above people's heads! 

I'm a similar user of twitter to you. 

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1 minute ago, ckn said:

(Excuse the flippant comment on this serious thread)

That's because you live in Edinburgh... It's either grey or very grey.

I did predict in my head that somebody would go for that one. I'm disappointed in you ckn!!! 

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8 minutes ago, Dave T said:

I'm not sure what you mean, I haven't seen the sun. 

People are calling this a social media suicide.

But the stories about her weren't driven by gossip on twitter or Instagram. They were on the front page of the Sun, on the pages of the Daily Mail and so on.

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2 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

People are calling this a social media suicide.

But the stories about her weren't driven by gossip on twitter or Instagram. They were on the front page of the Sun, on the pages of the Daily Mail and so on.

Ah right, I did say social media and media in my post, as I have heard the accusation being aimed at mainstream media too. 

I saw a Sun editor getting stick for his crocodile tears over this, on twitter! 

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Just now, Dave T said:

Ah right, I did say social media and media in my post, as I have heard the accusation being aimed at mainstream media too. 

Apologies - I was reading on my phone and may have missed that.

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45 minutes ago, Johnoco said:

I was off Facebook for years but went back on last year. I am currently on a break from it again, although I haven’t deleted my account like I did before. People just lose their sh it over nothing and rows escalate like crazy. After the election I had a guy, who I’ve known since I was about 14 ranting and raving about how I’d betrayed everyone by not voting for Jeremy Corbyn. I told him to FO, which possibly makes me as bad but that’s the sort of thing that happens on there.

I know he’s actually took the hump into real life as he always asked if I was going to certain gigs but hasn’t been in touch since that. I also know one guy who used to be quite racist and he’s now lecturing people about it and claiming to have always been some sort of Socialist Worker type. People can be so full of carp. 

About 90% use Facebook sensibly.  But most posts are from the other 10%. 

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2 hours ago, gingerjon said:

But the stories about her weren't driven by gossip on twitter or Instagram. They were on the front page of the Sun, on the pages of the Daily Mail and so on.

And a lot of stories hastily deleted too. 

With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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5 hours ago, gingerjon said:

A lot of people seem to want to rush to make it a gendered thing and, for some, I think it is. Certainly, a bloke with an active DV case would not be thought of so fondly by so many.

There was a rush straight away when the domestic story broke, along the lines of 'a bloke accused of this would have been fired by now' etc.  

With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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I think the initial shock of being prosecuted and the fear of being sent to prison would be enough to initiate depression and thoughts of suicide for many ordinary people.

They may pass but then seeing the details in the papers every day would exacerbate this greatly and become intolerable.

I dont think mental health is taken seriously enough at any level from disciplinary action at work to the CPS.

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3 hours ago, Bob8 said:

About 90% use Facebook sensibly.  But most posts are from the other 10%. 

I would disagree with this percentage. 90% might post reasonably and 10% might lost their s**t but a far higher percentage engage in the damaging 'look how good my life is' when it actually isn't all that. 

I don't say this in a superior judgemental way because I used to do it and I didn't really realise at the time that was what I was doing. I'm sure if you'd asked me at the time why I put a certain picture up I'd have said it was to let my friends see what I'm up to, but I knew deep down it was because I wanted people to see what I was up to and think it was impressive. 

I haven't deleted Facebook but I haven't posted for 4 years. It's quite useful to find stuff out about my lad's school and contact parents etc. I did notice the first two posts were my brother and then sister posting pictures of events they were at.

I think a significant factor in their reasons for posting was showing off, whether they realise it or not. The problem when people are showing off is that it inevitably makes other people feel inadequate. 

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This needs to be simplified. One she wasn't found guilty of alleged charges and her "boyfriend" wanted  to withdraw them.

Two is domestic abuse if it actually happened an excuse or serious reason to kill yourself. Not at all. Even if she was guilty.

This is an intelligent, attractive, vibrant young women hitting the peak of her selected career. It's a waste.

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17 minutes ago, Mumby Magic said:

This needs to be simplified. One she wasn't found guilty of alleged charges and her "boyfriend" wanted  to withdraw them.

Two is domestic abuse if it actually happened an excuse or serious reason to kill yourself. Not at all. Even if she was guilty.

This is an intelligent, attractive, vibrant young women hitting the peak of her selected career. It's a waste.

There’s a reason the CPS keep going even when the partner withdraws.

It’s because battered partners normally do.

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10 hours ago, Mumby Magic said:

This needs to be simplified. One she wasn't found guilty of alleged charges and her "boyfriend" wanted  to withdraw them.

Two is domestic abuse if it actually happened an excuse or serious reason to kill yourself. Not at all. Even if she was guilty.

This is an intelligent, attractive, vibrant young women hitting the peak of her selected career. It's a waste.

People who indulge in domestic violence are rarely (I would imagine), generally happy people. It is still a trajedy. For such a troubled woman, having the consequences of her actions happen in the public eye might have been too much for her to deal with. It is still a trajedy, but it is not a childish case.

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20 minutes ago, terrywebbisgod said:

Imagine if the abuser was a z list celebrity man,who couldn't cope with the consequences of their actions.I doubt there would be such an effort to make that man a martyr.

The parallels I see are with David Beckham, he wasn’t accused of a serious crime, merely failing to be outstanding in the narrow media opinion and shared by the idiots of the football world. He nearly went right off the deep end and I think the media caught themselves in time and changed their views. He and his family went from being roundly abused to untouchable hero in the media overnight.

That was the first time it really hit me about the power of the media. They changed their view to a 100% different one and their unthinking goons of readers did exactly the same. Very 1984 two minute hate and who the war is against today.

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13 hours ago, gingerjon said:

There’s a reason the CPS keep going even when the partner withdraws.

It’s because battered partners normally do.

We have to remember that domestic abuse victims are not always female. Many men suffer to, and are afraid to report it because of the stigma attached.

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Has everybody on this post retired? Facebook, Twitter, Tik Tok, Instagram. How do you find time to read this rubbish. I am retired, not on any social media sites,never have been,no intention of ever being on them either.Before anybody says newspapers, I do not buy them either. I read the BBC news on line when I feel like it and read the posts on RLE. Any other spare time is spent reading books.My wife told me about the death of this young lady over the weekend, very sad,but I had never heard of her.

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It is complex. It is sensitive.  Each such death diminishes us all, in some way or other.

"Personalities"  rely on the media ( TV, press, social media, PR industry) for their fame and fortune.

They crave media intrusion in the good times. Unfortunately, it can't be turned off instantly in the bad times.

This may make such personalities vulnerable and that should be talken into account as a possibility from the moment they seek fame and fortune.

Who needs to look at themselves more closely in this whole sorry saga?

1. Flack's agent

2. The promoters of the cult of personality. eg.: https://www.hellomagazine.com/tags/caroline-flack/

3.  HELLO! has shown an increase of 3.3% year on year. The current circulation figure stands at 403,666 per week, which is an average of 1.7 million copies each month.

4. Social media users (including us on here) 

5. TV companies that wallow in the personality cult, too. Easy and cheap programming and time fillers on things like BBC Breakfast in the after 8.30 am break, The One Show,  ITV's "celeb" programmes: Celeb blindfold underwater ice skating singing bake-off".

6. Flack's fair-weather friends

Domestic abuse is a serious problem and should not be excused or no action taken on the basis that a female celeb did it. The authorities are on a loser here: whatever they do will be wrong.

 

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45 minutes ago, JohnM said:

It is complex. It is sensitive.  Each such death diminishes us all, in some way or other.

"Personalities"  rely on the media ( TV, press, social media, PR industry) for their fame and fortune.

They crave media intrusion in the good times. Unfortunately, it can't be turned off instantly in the bad times.

This may make such personalities vulnerable and that should be talken into account as a possibility from the moment they seek fame and fortune.

Who needs to look at themselves more closely in this whole sorry saga?

1. Flack's agent

2. The promoters of the cult of personality. eg.: https://www.hellomagazine.com/tags/caroline-flack/

3.  HELLO! has shown an increase of 3.3% year on year. The current circulation figure stands at 403,666 per week, which is an average of 1.7 million copies each month.

4. Social media users (including us on here) 

5. TV companies that wallow in the personality cult, too. Easy and cheap programming and time fillers on things like BBC Breakfast in the after 8.30 am break, The One Show,  ITV's "celeb" programmes: Celeb blindfold underwater ice skating singing bake-off".

6. Flack's fair-weather friends

Domestic abuse is a serious problem and should not be excused or no action taken on the basis that a female celeb did it. The authorities are on a loser here: whatever they do will be wrong.

 

With absolute sincerity and seriousness, last year I was genuinely worried about Theresa May. A few times I saw her with that look in her eye that I've seen from people in desperate mental health situations. Some people simply aren't up to being the public punch-bag, others revel in it (e.g. Johnson).

Unfortunately, it's very difficult to tell whether an otherwise healthy person will end up not being able to handle the relentless and often grossly unfair pressure.

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2 hours ago, fairfolly said:

not on any social media sites,never have been,no intention of ever being on them either.Before anybody says newspapers, I do not buy them either. 

That's nothing to be proud of.

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18 minutes ago, gingerjon said:

That's nothing to be proud of.

Ironically, I’ve been on the end of some people’s upset in the past when I’ve quoted information to support my arguments available in the public domains of some of these sites quoted. Not only do some folk abstain from using this source of information to form their own opinions, they also deny its worth when used as evidence against. Granted, if takes more and more and more sifting to ensure accuracy, but it is not without its positives. 

That said, some of the cowardly bullying facilitated by social media platforms is quite simply in humane. 

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