OMEGA Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 So, If everyone was fit, playing on form and available, what’s your England selection? please don’t cop out by saying today’s team, we all know changes will be made for the next series Lomax McGilvery Watkins Percival Makinson Widdop Tomkins Graham Roby G Burgess Whitehead Bateman S Burgess Connor Thompson T Burgess Walmsley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintspete83 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Some real depth in this squad now. Can we not cancel the loop fixtures start the season later and play the convicts next feb ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluded pom? Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 G. Burgess should be banned for several years so he’s out of the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Dare I say it , if he’s playing and err tuned in would hardaker be fullback ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELBOWSEYE Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 1 hour ago, OMEGA said: So, If everyone was fit, playing on form and available, what’s your England selection? please don’t cop out by saying today’s team, we all know changes will be made for the next series Lomax McGilvery Watkins Percival Makinson Widdop Tomkins Graham Roby G Burgess Whitehead Bateman S Burgess Connor Thompson T Burgess Walmsley Everyone is fit and on form is something that will never happen. And Bennett will definitely not start with percival if the game mattered. And Hill would be in the 17 because he never let's Bennett down also Graham has been a great player for club and country but is clearly in on past performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiled Wiganer Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 If everyone was fit, and on top of their game, and playing to their absolute potential (with another year’s ageing and development taken into account) my starting 13 would be something like: Hardaker manfredi gildart watkins makinson widdop Williams burgess roby Graham currie bateman burgess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Not easy any more is it !? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieSaint Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 49 minutes ago, Exiled Wiganer said: If everyone was fit, and on top of their game, and playing to their absolute potential (with another year’s ageing and development taken into account) my starting 13 would be something like: Hardaker manfredi gildart watkins makinson widdop Williams burgess roby Graham currie bateman burgess You are missing the best second rower in the world... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padge Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 I said it last week, it's the same this week, why change a winning side barring injury. Visit my photography site www.padge.smugmug.com Radio 5 Live: Saturday 14 April 2007 Dave Whelan "In Wigan rugby will always be king" This country's wealth was created by men in overalls, it was destroyed by men in suits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southerner80 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Zak should not be near the English team. He's not the image we need and he's not known for being a good easy going person to get on with. Not worth the hassle. Looking at the team, there is significant depth in some positions and quality in all. My 17 assuming decent form and that no one comes out of the woodwork.. Ratchford Makinson Waktins Connor Manfredi Widdop Tomkins G Burgess Roby Chris Hill Bateman Whitehead S Burgess Hodgson Ryan Hall / Mcgillvary L Thompson Wallmsley Lots of really good players who could swap with the above. We finally have some depth! Ie Clark, McShane, Graham, Lomax, Gildart, Currie, TJ, Williams etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markos Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 My team wouldn't be too far away from today, but two to come in for me would be Sam Burgess and Widdop in in place of two of the bench. Probably in place of Clark and Milner. I think you have the versatility in the halves (and 9 and FB) that you could start with and two of the three from Widdop, Williams and Tomkins and have a hell of a player to bring on when legs get heavy. Connor would absolutely stay in at centre, I think he's been unreal. Some of his one touch passes were pure class and I think he has that grit, a bit like Bateman, that we need at that level. I think Whitehead has been a bit of an unsung hero for years too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPosh Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Whilst neither needs to be dropped right now, I think it's time to move on from Graham and Hill and they'll be tough to replace. We have bullocking props aplenty, but we're not blessed with multiple workhorses. Perhaps that's the role for Sam Burgess to move into. From today's team, Burgess and Widdop would come in. Watkins is still amongst our very best in theory, but has rarely showed it at international level. Still not convinced by Lomax, but he's played well in this series. People called Romans they go the house Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man of Kent Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Hardaker Makinson Connor Watkins McGillvarry Widdop Tomkins Graham Hodgson Tom Burgess Bateman Whitehead Sam Burgess Interchange: Hill Thompson Walmsley Roby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowdesert Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 3 hours ago, OMEGA said: So, If everyone was fit, playing on form and available, what’s your England selection? please don’t cop out by saying today’s team, we all know changes will be made for the next series Lomax McGilvery Watkins Percival Makinson Widdop Tomkins Graham Roby G Burgess Whitehead Bateman S Burgess Connor Thompson T Burgess Walmsley How can a partnership like Connor and Makinson not be considered on form? Make no mistake, Connors name is going to be on the England starting teamsheet for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert Prince Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 3 hours ago, DavidM said: Dare I say it , if he’s playing and err tuned in would hardaker be fullback ? Whoever is wherever, he will have to work hard to get in the side. Surely this is the point, we have a number of places where a number of players can fit in if needed. These guys have to show they are up to it, and it is 2 seasons to go before tbe WC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudger06 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Zak is a world class player, he's better than ratchford and lomax by a lot, play the best English Players to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudger06 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 What's confusing? OP states everyone fit & available!.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidingPie Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 This series, and to some extent the previous WC England have played like a team playing for each other, in many previous series I've watched they've often seemed to be a group of talented individuals playing together. It's been a huge improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RP London Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 not sure why Watkins is walking straight back into the team.. havent seen him do much in an England shirt to merit him going straight back in above Connor (who has been fantastic) and Gildart (who will get better as hes only 22). Also we need to get away from the Burgess twins, they should do so so much more with their size but are pretty one dimensional and I dont think theyre the best at that one dimension either! Walmsley and Thompson bench Hill and graham to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiled Wiganer Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 7 minutes ago, RP London said: not sure why Watkins is walking straight back into the team.. havent seen him do much in an England shirt to merit him going straight back in above Connor (who has been fantastic) and Gildart (who will get better as hes only 22). Also we need to get away from the Burgess twins, they should do so so much more with their size but are pretty one dimensional and I dont think theyre the best at that one dimension either! Walmsley and Thompson bench Hill and graham to start. I think the point coming out is that we have seemingly 2 teams of world class players. Another way of looking at it is that I would be happy for any of the following to pull on the white top next year (form, fitness, availability permitting at the time of course)... 1 Hardaker Ratchford Lomax wings makinson mcgilvray hall manfredi johnson centres Gildart Connor Percival Watkins halves Williams Widdop gale Tomkins props hill graham Burgess Burgess walmsley Taylor thompson second rows bateman Whitehead currie ward Lockers Burgess plus, of course, others will emerge next year. For Wigan, Joe Burgess and greenwood could have break out years. Age wise, only Lockers looks to me as pretty certain to be past it. I agree we need to think about hill and Graham. When you consider that we had to pick Aussies with grandmothers even last year, this is some explosion of talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RP London Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 32 minutes ago, Exiled Wiganer said: I think the point coming out is that we have seemingly 2 teams of world class players. Another way of looking at it is that I would be happy for any of the following to pull on the white top next year (form, fitness, availability permitting at the time of course)... 1 Hardaker Ratchford Lomax wings makinson mcgilvray hall manfredi johnson centres Gildart Connor Percival Watkins halves Williams Widdop gale Tomkins props hill graham Burgess Burgess walmsley Taylor thompson second rows bateman Whitehead currie ward Lockers Burgess plus, of course, others will emerge next year. For Wigan, Joe Burgess and greenwood could have break out years. Age wise, only Lockers looks to me as pretty certain to be past it. I agree we need to think about hill and Graham. When you consider that we had to pick Aussies with grandmothers even last year, this is some explosion of talent. yes agree with that.. but still think there are some that are standing a fair bit ahead of others.. Watkins I think has slipped right down as I dont think he has done anything for england for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPosh Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 I'd hope to see Jack Walker and Jake Trueman in the mix before too long. People called Romans they go the house Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M j M Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 20 minutes ago, RP London said: yes agree with that.. but still think there are some that are standing a fair bit ahead of others.. Watkins I think has slipped right down as I dont think he has done anything for england for years. Watkins was outstanding in the 2017 World Cup - how quickly people forget! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RP London Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 8 minutes ago, M j M said: Watkins was outstanding in the 2017 World Cup - how quickly people forget! I wouldn't say outstanding... always been saying he doesnt take his club form onto the international scene and remember saying at the time that I thought we had better, just that Bateman was covering the "please find another centre" conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleD Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 16 hours ago, DavidM said: Dare I say it , if he’s playing and err tuned in would hardaker be fullback ? Tuned into what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.