Damien Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, langpark said: What is the diference between 'England colleges' team and 'England academy'? Is academy basically England youth team, and colleges is only uni students? England Colleges are players largely at 6th form Colleges. England Academy is basically the crème de la crème and the players that are playing at the academies of professional clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Stottle Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, langpark said: What is the diference between 'England colleges' team and 'England academy'? Is academy basically England youth team, and colleges is only uni students? The academy teams are the guy's employed by the professional clubs, these lads just play inter school football of not a very high standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmduck Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Yes, well ........ what was it? 90? 92? The less said, the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man of Kent Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 92-0 FT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowdesert Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Just shows how far the Aussie system is advanced, to ours, at Secondary & college level. All these years and we’re just scratching the surface. Very well structured system from 15s upwards aimed at reaching the top. Thats not taking anything away from the Aussie lads, who can only do their best whoever’s in front of them, or the English lads who’ve probably had a reality check for the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmduck Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Surely there must be players on the fringe of the England squad or the Yorks and Lancs squads who could have been used today? This game was pointless other than giving the Aussies a chance to fine tune and give everyone a run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowdesert Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 11 minutes ago, Farmduck said: Surely there must be players on the fringe of the England squad or the Yorks and Lancs squads who could have been used today? This game was pointless other than giving the Aussies a chance to fine tune and give everyone a run. Yorkshire next week I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmduck Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, Lowdesert said: Yorkshire next week I think. Yorks Wednesday so they could have thrown in some Lancs players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrywebbisgod Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 23 minutes ago, Farmduck said: Surely there must be players on the fringe of the England squad or the Yorks and Lancs squads who could have been used today? This game was pointless other than giving the Aussies a chance to fine tune and give everyone a run. No,as has been stated the College players are not attached to any clubs,therefore the academy players couldn't and shouldn't play. Why should college players miss out on representing their country to make way for full time players,"pointless" game or not? Thank you for your valuable contribution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowdesert Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 9 minutes ago, Farmduck said: Yorks Wednesday so they could have thrown in some Lancs players. Nope. Terrys answered that one. Think i’m going to that at Cas. There’ll be no Lancs players in that either! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleD Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 This was always going to be the easiest one for the Aussies, but it seems like they didn’t need to blow any cobwebs away! I do think it was a bit of a pointless one though. I’d have been more interested if it included uni players...........I know they’re older so some might think it’s unfair but it would be a better test Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopping Mad Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Went along to this tour opener at Kingston Park. A predictable slaughter - 92-0 - of feeble opposition. Just as well it was 35-minutes halves! Given the Aussies led 34-0 after just 14 minutes (and 58-0 at half-time), England Colleges did well to keep the margin below three figures. Two crumbs of comfort for the hosts: they kept the Aussies scoreless for almost 20 minutes of the second half, and even had about three minutes of pressure in the opposition 25, piggy-backed on three penalties. The tourists finished strongly, though, crossing four times in the last nine minutes. Usual story, really: the Aussies, drawn from a far, far bigger pool of talent, were bigger, faster, fitter and way more skilful. Did the basics mostly faultlessly and at high speed. Couldn't see a weak link in their side, and there were a number of outstanding players. Some of the handling and support play was superb. Right wing Zac Cini scored four of the 17 tries. By contrast, England Colleges were complete plodders. Small band of supporters - parents and siblings, by the looks - backing the tourists. Admission was £3, which included a four-page programme. The crowd - all in the east stand - was about 400. As I expected, the Origin-style amateur rugby league curtain-raiser was more competitive and more interesting. A North of the Tyne Select beat a South of the Tyne Select 56-24. The South led 12-0 after nine minutes, and the score was tied 16-16 going into first half stoppage time. The North then scored a converted try to edge ahead 22-16 at the break before rather running away with things in the second half. Enjoyable trip up to Tyneside. I might be tempted watch the Aussies' second game, on Wednesday evening, against Yorkshire at Wheldon Road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMF Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 So what do you guys think the score will be when the Aussies play the Cumbrian hard boys? Way to go RL, thanks for the encouragement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Does sound like this could have been ditched for two warm ups vs Lancs and Yorks and then a three test series - or even a French warm up game. Still - looking forward to watching the remaining games on the app. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopping Mad Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Anyone know why there isn't a game against Cumbria's youngsters? They have played the Junior Roos in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 2 hours ago, Lowdesert said: Just shows how far the Aussie system is advanced, to ours, at Secondary & college level. All these years and we’re just scratching the surface. Very well structured system from 15s upwards aimed at reaching the top. Thats not taking anything away from the Aussie lads, who can only do their best whoever’s in front of them, or the English lads who’ve probably had a reality check for the better. No, what it shows is that their system is different to ours. Their Australian Schoolboys team contains their elite players at u18's and our college team doesn't. Over the last few years the English Academy team has won games and series against the Schoolboys and so while they are ahead of us the gap is not as wide as you make out. "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
langpark Posted November 25, 2018 Author Share Posted November 25, 2018 Agreed. I think Cumbria, Wales, or France youth teams would have been better options for today's match. Well, at least every other match from now on should be far more competitive. Even the Lanc and Yorkshire teams will be helped by the fact that the Aussie boys will only have 3-day turnarounds between matches. Then onto the matches against the proper England academy side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2010 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 29 minutes ago, langpark said: Agreed. I think Cumbria, Wales, or France youth teams would have been better options for today's match. Well, at least every other match from now on should be far more competitive. Even the Lanc and Yorkshire teams will be helped by the fact that the Aussie boys will only have 3-day turnarounds between matches. Then onto the matches against the proper England academy side. Why aren't they playing Wales? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowdesert Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Dunbar said: No, what it shows is that their system is different to ours. Their Australian Schoolboys team contains their elite players at u18's and our college team doesn't. Over the last few years the English Academy team has won games and series against the Schoolboys and so while they are ahead of us the gap is not as wide as you make out. Did I write condemning the college players? I know fulwell and from experience that our colleges don’t give the support anywhere close. Those who played today would have known they were up against it, but I think I mentioned they would be better for it. Wether we can improve our secondary and college chances remains to be seen. It is different, obviously, maybe difficult to measure and better than than ours in that it has schools and colleges directly linked with professional clubs and a lot more administration and sponsors to support it. No overpowering interference from RU either. They have more kids playing the game in more competition and split divisional streams competing regularly. This is right through from below 15s really and runs through to 18s+. Money and sponsorship backs that. If our kids had that support, financial, administrational and instructional we’d be top by a long way. We don’t have that. I still think our academy can win 2-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidlandsJohn Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 8 hours ago, Farmduck said: Yes they'd have some kind of contract and, depending on the club, would already have played in the State U16s and U18s for the club. They may also be playing NSW or Qld Cup. Quick question - does Australia have any kind of national schools competition or are the State sides the first truly representative rugby that gets played? Also, is the talent spread out fairly evenly or do you find 1 school in each local area that smashes everybody and the rest just make up the numbers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Coast Tiger Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 59 minutes ago, MidlandsJohn said: Quick question - does Australia have any kind of national schools competition or are the State sides the first truly representative rugby that gets played? Also, is the talent spread out fairly evenly or do you find 1 school in each local area that smashes everybody and the rest just make up the numbers? There is a national knockout comp but it’s not what it used to be. To make the Australian team players would have represented their local area and/or region and then made state teams to play at the national championships, except it’s not that simple because in NSW there’s three or four state teams based on school systems (CHS, CCC, CIS, CAS). Specialist Sports High Schools dominate these days. Most average comprehensive schools can’t/don’t compete anymore. Some bigger Catholic schools can but they rarely beat the Sports High Schools anymore. If you look at the Australian squad the majority are from Sports High Schools or big RL schools in like Keebra Park, Marsden or Palm Beach with a few Catholic kids from St Greg’s or Blacktown Pats. Guyra Super Spuds website Guyra Super Spuds Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corvusxiii Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 Pen for high tackle? Good yards and Oz 0 yorky 6. TESTICULI AD BREXITAM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
langpark Posted November 28, 2018 Author Share Posted November 28, 2018 Great game so far!!! Not a bad little crowd there either! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corvusxiii Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 Odd moments of extreme danger from oz. Another pen to yorky. TESTICULI AD BREXITAM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corvusxiii Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 2 pens for Oz high tackle? and SL type orb interference. Oz score out to the left. Missed kick into the wind. 6-4. Tinned Guinness £4. Hell Fire TESTICULI AD BREXITAM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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