johnh1 Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 'Salford sold the Willows, on Marwan Koukash say so, and he has killed your club like ours was.' No it wasn't and no he didn't. Getting your facts right might help your argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxford Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 19 minutes ago, johnh1 said: 'Salford sold the Willows, on Marwan Koukash say so Er 2 warning points Non-Political Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Kevin Sinfield Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 As well as the financial concerns at Salford, the size of their squad is also an issue. I believe they have 23 players, with no reserve or academy team, if they get more than 6 injuries they won’t be able to field 17 players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLegendOfTexEvans Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said: As well as the financial concerns at Salford, the size of their squad is also an issue. I believe they have 23 players, with no reserve or academy team, if they get more than 6 injuries they won’t be able to field 17 players. Easy answer Salford need a reserves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Kevin Sinfield Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 They need an academy more so IMO, there needs to be a bigger financial incentive to run an academy, I’d say at least 10% of the sky money should depend on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLegendOfTexEvans Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said: They need an academy more so IMO, there needs to be a bigger financial incentive to run an academy, I’d say at least 10% of the sky money should depend on it. I am not sure they work as well as people think in the short term. They appear to work well in existing areas of rugby league talent. Not convinced it would deliver for salford in the short term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Bleep1673 said: Salford sold the Willows, on Marwan Koukash say so, and he has killed your club like ours was. Complete nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMF Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 Regardless of why, when you move to the middle of nowhere, that's inevitably where you end up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLegendOfTexEvans Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 3 hours ago, Bleep1673 said: I'm not commenting. Goodbye pinks, stupid new stadium on the ass-end of Peel Green, in the middle of nowhere, backed by our council that wont help the team where the town hall is based! RIP SCRRLFC, Buenos Noches Where do you think the loan came from that saved Swinton? https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/town-hall-bails-out-swinton-13464148 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxford Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 58 minutes ago, TMF said: Regardless of why, when you move to the middle of nowhere, that's inevitably where you end up. next to the Trafford Center? 2 warning points Non-Political Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLegendOfTexEvans Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, Oxford said: next to the Trafford Center? Are you familiar with the local geography and public transport around that area. Sale Sharks are having the same issues. Manchester United hated the ground so much they opted for the reserves to play at the LSV. The trafford centre only works as you can drive to a large onsite car park. Salford will benefit from the metrolink extension but that could be years off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert Prince Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 3 hours ago, johnh1 said: 'Salford sold the Willows, on Marwan Koukash say so, and he has killed your club like ours was.' No it wasn't and no he didn't. Getting your facts right might help your argument. Indeed. I guess someone with legal qualifications stronger than mine would be better able to explain the dark murky goings on that left the ground to be sold. However the names on the deeds were not Koukash's as far as I know. But it was murky and it's no wonder that Salford are stuck in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLegendOfTexEvans Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 29 minutes ago, Rupert Prince said: Indeed. I guess someone with legal qualifications stronger than mine would be better able to explain the dark murky goings on that left the ground to be sold. However the names on the deeds were not Koukash's as far as I know. But it was murky and it's no wonder that Salford are stuck in it. No its before his time and your right the whole thing is too murky to be commenting on in detail. Salford made the mistake of selling the willows first. The process taking too long. Then one investor dying , gambling laws costing them american investment (originally the ground was to be a casino) and a house builder collapsing who was also putting in money. https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/casino-rivals-fight-over-stadium-1107557 Leaving the with a weak hand to deal with. Marwan saved Salford, but at the time i could see Salford were not out of trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxford Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 1 hour ago, TheLegendOfTexEvans said: Are you familiar with the local geography and public transport around that area. Tex are you familiar with taking the Barmy Mick? 2 warning points Non-Political Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Parksider Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 On 12/31/2018 at 5:42 PM, DEANO said: Simple economics. My own club included. Pay out more than you take in equals financial problems. No other businesses run like sport That's true but you know as well as I do if you run a Superleague club and stick to what you can afford then you may end up like Widnes who basically kept a squad of players not good enough to compete in place because it meant they would not go bust. Instead they got relegated after a very long losing run over two seasons and bored the heck out of us all. If clubs cannot afford to compete they should not be in there which Mike Stephenson who worked for SKY said many years ago. He said it was a crime to take an SL place and not then compete............... On 12/31/2018 at 6:43 PM, paulwalker71 said: It's never a good thing to be getting advances from central funding, because you just end up running out of money later rather than sooner. I believe I'm correct in saying that we got caught in this trap with one of our (Bulls) first 'crashes'. Basically, it treats the symptoms, not the root cause. Salford are in Superleague because they won that right on the pitch. Had Superleague been decided in the boardrooms then they would probably have been denied a place like Halifax were when the RFL said "The club's business plan was inadequate". As it stands they are in and are expected to give it a go and if that means advanced funds then so be it, and they give it a go on the basis of looking to come 11th. as the main prize, and the hope someone with some money who wants a Superleague club will at some point over the season buy the club. On 12/31/2018 at 11:58 PM, Kirmonds pouch said: I hope Salford are eventually make it through as we can’t afford to lose any more real clubs. However they will never have my full support until they reinstate their Academy. To me it’s utterly unacceptable, how can you be a proper club unless you produce at least some of your own players. I realise the current BOD were not responsible for this travesty but none the less it can’t carry on. The true culprits are the RFL who allowed this to happen in the first place. All because they couldn’t resist the Dr and his money which at the time made him the latest in a long list of white knights - pathetic. An academy is a long term investment, and Salford running one, spending ££Thousands on it will only be self defeating as that money will mean they can afford even less quality in the first team. Your ideal world forgets that when there is another academy across town (e.g. in Hull) and three top academies just down the roads from Salford, running academies in Salford and East Hull is a waste of money, pointless and will merely drag hundreds of kids into the system none of who will make it. Opening too many academies when there is not enough talent is a rather massive waste of money, and a tremendous disappointment to kids who should not be put through it. Of course the RFL could not resist Koukash's £Millions, this is how it works. They could not resist the money of a number of club owners who have come and gone. They don't resist the current crop of "white knights" and rightly so because if SL only ran to the club income and SKY distribution then the quality of the game would be even poorer than it is now. More star players off to RU or NRL, less fans though the door. Bottom line is Superleague KNEW they probably had only about 10 clubs who could compete this coming season, so they simply announced they would have a 10 club SL in 2019 last winter. Then Chalmers (How much does he put in?) started rabble rousing and put his spoke in that, and SL stayed at 12. It is highly likely 2019 will be like 2014 when the car crashes of Bradford and Broncos occurred...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bcfc2014 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 2 hours ago, The Parksider said: That's true but you know as well as I do if you run a Superleague club and stick to what you can afford then you may end up like Widnes who basically kept a squad of players not good enough to compete in place because it meant they would not go bust. Instead they got relegated after a very long losing run over two seasons and bored the heck out of us all. If clubs cannot afford to compete they should not be in there which Mike Stephenson who worked for SKY said many years ago. He said it was a crime to take an SL place and not then compete............... Salford are in Superleague because they won that right on the pitch. Had Superleague been decided in the boardrooms then they would probably have been denied a place like Halifax were when the RFL said "The club's business plan was inadequate". As it stands they are in and are expected to give it a go and if that means advanced funds then so be it, and they give it a go on the basis of looking to come 11th. as the main prize, and the hope someone with some money who wants a Superleague club will at some point over the season buy the club. An academy is a long term investment, and Salford running one, spending ££Thousands on it will only be self defeating as that money will mean they can afford even less quality in the first team. Your ideal world forgets that when there is another academy across town (e.g. in Hull) and three top academies just down the roads from Salford, running academies in Salford and East Hull is a waste of money, pointless and will merely drag hundreds of kids into the system none of who will make it. Opening too many academies when there is not enough talent is a rather massive waste of money, and a tremendous disappointment to kids who should not be put through it. Of course the RFL could not resist Koukash's £Millions, this is how it works. They could not resist the money of a number of club owners who have come and gone. They don't resist the current crop of "white knights" and rightly so because if SL only ran to the club income and SKY distribution then the quality of the game would be even poorer than it is now. More star players off to RU or NRL, less fans though the door. Bottom line is Superleague KNEW they probably had only about 10 clubs who could compete this coming season, so they simply announced they would have a 10 club SL in 2019 last winter. Then Chalmers (How much does he put in?) started rabble rousing and put his spoke in that, and SL stayed at 12. It is highly likely 2019 will be like 2014 when the car crashes of Bradford and Broncos occurred...... If you did some research you would see it wasn't just Chalmers, he was the spokesperson selected by the teams taking part in the Yorkshire cup to defend Championship interests. Also if you did some more research you will see Chalmers has a number of businesses that are successful which involves putting money into Bulls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirmonds pouch Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 5 hours ago, The Parksider said: That's true but you know as well as I do if you run a Superleague club and stick to what you can afford then you may end up like Widnes who basically kept a squad of players not good enough to compete in place because it meant they would not go bust. Instead they got relegated after a very long losing run over two seasons and bored the heck out of us all. If clubs cannot afford to compete they should not be in there which Mike Stephenson who worked for SKY said many years ago. He said it was a crime to take an SL place and not then compete............... Salford are in Superleague because they won that right on the pitch. Had Superleague been decided in the boardrooms then they would probably have been denied a place like Halifax were when the RFL said "The club's business plan was inadequate". As it stands they are in and are expected to give it a go and if that means advanced funds then so be it, and they give it a go on the basis of looking to come 11th. as the main prize, and the hope someone with some money who wants a Superleague club will at some point over the season buy the club. An academy is a long term investment, and Salford running one, spending ££Thousands on it will only be self defeating as that money will mean they can afford even less quality in the first team. Your ideal world forgets that when there is another academy across town (e.g. in Hull) and three top academies just down the roads from Salford, running academies in Salford and East Hull is a waste of money, pointless and will merely drag hundreds of kids into the system none of who will make it. Opening too many academies when there is not enough talent is a rather massive waste of money, and a tremendous disappointment to kids who should not be put through it. Of course the RFL could not resist Koukash's £Millions, this is how it works. They could not resist the money of a number of club owners who have come and gone. They don't resist the current crop of "white knights" and rightly so because if SL only ran to the club income and SKY distribution then the quality of the game would be even poorer than it is now. More star players off to RU or NRL, less fans though the door. Bottom line is Superleague KNEW they probably had only about 10 clubs who could compete this coming season, so they simply announced they would have a 10 club SL in 2019 last winter. Then Chalmers (How much does he put in?) started rabble rousing and put his spoke in that, and SL stayed at 12. It is highly likely 2019 will be like 2014 when the car crashes of Bradford and Broncos occurred...... What a load of guff - there is simply no excuse for any club st any level not running a youth team of some sort. To argue otherwise is pure spin. This is not just about Salford my myopic friend - there is simply no future for our sport if we don’t create players - SL is already a retirement home for the NRL and using your logic it will only get worse. We bemoan the lack of profile our game has yet people seem happy to ignore the reasons why - a lack of homegrown star players. Where on earth do you think we find such players, the middle aisle at Aldi? Not all the best players come through Wigan or Leeds, some find there way from the juniors of some very unfashionable clubs though sadly through short sightedness that’s less common. Being the best at 17 is no guarantee no matter what club you are at. Our game more than any other needs the widest sweep possible to uncover the obvious and not so obvious gems. No Academy no SL imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Kevin Sinfield Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 League One side Newcastle Thunder manage to run an academy, as do Championship sides Bradford and Widnes. Catalans run an overseas academy having to fly to games, the excuses made for Salford and Hull kr not having one are pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinskolar Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said: League One side Newcastle Thunder manage to run an academy, as do Championship sides Bradford and Widnes. Catalans run an overseas academy having to fly to games, the excuses made for Salford and Hull kr not having one are pathetic. More importantly, London run an academy and that is largely how they have got into SL. Academies are not an overhead they should be your life blood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSCR Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 20 hours ago, Bleep1673 said: I foresee the death of some of the higher end clubs, who don't diversify. There are many, clubs that own their own premises, but do nothing to emphasise, and capitalise on this. Keighley, Bradford, HKR, Saint Helens, you are all doomed with 15 games per year. Salford do not take enough capital out of the Union revenue to be safe, neither is any sponsorship/naming rights guaranteed to any franchise in the RFL. Salford sold the Willows, on Marwan Koukash say so, and he has killed your club like ours was. There isn't even a planning application in at the moment for those 300 Nurses homes that Peel Housing were proposing Bleep do you run a tripe shop in East Sussex or are you on something? You clearly have no idea of what you are talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpool rl Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 5 hours ago, Sir Kevin Sinfield said: League One side Newcastle Thunder manage to run an academy, as do Championship sides Bradford and Widnes. Catalans run an overseas academy having to fly to games, the excuses made for Salford and Hull kr not having one are pathetic. How does Catalans academy work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southerner80 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 5 hours ago, scotchy1 said: I hope Salford are fine and there is little to this, many times people have seen to proclaim Salfords death yet they are still alive and kicking. There may be absolutely nothing in this other than the usual rumours and nonsense. But if there is, it shouldnt be allowed to get this far. Right now we have a club in Keighley who we don't know if will they will start the year and rumours about Salfords abilities to finish it. This shouldnt be allowed. It shouldnt be an issue at this time of year. We are 30days from the start of the season it should be exciting and positive. We should demand more from our clubs. We should demand that they have a buffer so arent constantly on the brink of death, we should demand they have academies, we should demand that they are better and if they can't be then they should see the consequences of that. Sadly isn't there a element of this in many pro sports, ie teams go bust. RL is no worse nor better than Soccer at this Just the sums of money involved are different. The way to avoid it is to go towards a NFL type model of profit sharing and no relegation and such however this isn't found in UK sporting culture. Salford are hampered by a dull stadium and that they are a club with a small following. Under present rules I don't begrudge them a place however I would much prefer to see no relegation and to bring in teams on more than on the pitch performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwalker71 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 17 minutes ago, Southerner80 said: Under present rules I don't begrudge them a place however I would much prefer to see no relegation and to bring in teams on more than on the pitch performance. Ironically Salford has a much better chance of staying in SL than could have been the case Had Toronto not blown it in the MPG, then you'd have to think that Salford would have been favourites to be relegated this season. Simply because Toronto would have considerably strengthened their squad. But with London now red-hot favourites to be bottom, Salford have probably got a years grace. Hopefully they will use it to build for the longer term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJW Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 On 1/1/2019 at 4:19 PM, Bleep1673 said: I foresee the death of some of the higher end clubs, who don't diversify. There are many, clubs that own their own premises, but do nothing to emphasise, and capitalise on this. Keighley, Bradford, HKR, Saint Helens, you are all doomed with 15 games per year. Salford do not take enough capital out of the Union revenue to be safe, neither is any sponsorship/naming rights guaranteed to any franchise in the RFL. Salford sold the Willows, on Marwan Koukash say so, and he has killed your club like ours was. There isn't even a planning application in at the moment for those 300 Nurses homes that Peel Housing were proposing You know not of what you speak ! Plenty of other events at HKR ground (boxing - one a Hearn promotion no less and concerts spring to mind first off). Or want to show me otherwise ? My wife complains I selfishly stop her fulfilling her true ambition - she really wants to be a rich widow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 6 minutes ago, BJW said: You know not of what you speak ! Plenty of other events at HKR ground (boxing - one a Hearn promotion no less and concerts spring to mind first off). Or want to show me otherwise ? I didn't think Hull KR owned the ground though so presumably they wouldn't profit from these events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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