MattSantos Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 3 hours ago, Niels said: Hi Bob, how are you? I did a lap around the park running tonight. First exercise since lockdown apart from press ups. Last time I ran I sprained ligaments, on holiday in Turkey, so I have to avoid hard surfaces. It took ages to recover also. So not sure if I should do this regular? Do you, or anyone have any knowledge about running and injuries? Personally, i think running is one of the worst things we can do to keep fit if you're not good at running. Bad mechanics and or support are a recipe for further injury / in-balance. Better options - If you can, swim. Buy a kettlebell. Shadow box. Burpees. Body weight circuits. Lunge. Buy a bike. 1 Running the Rob Burrow marathon to raise money for the My Name'5 Doddie foundation: https://www.justgiving.com/fundraising/ben-dyas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob8 Posted May 29, 2020 Author Share Posted May 29, 2020 7 hours ago, Niels said: Hi Bob, how are you? I did a lap around the park running tonight. First exercise since lockdown apart from press ups. Last time I ran I sprained ligaments, on holiday in Turkey, so I have to avoid hard surfaces. It took ages to recover also. So not sure if I should do this regular? Do you, or anyone have any knowledge about running and injuries? I think @tim2 might be able to advise (though hard surfaces are a killer, I know that). 1 "You clearly have never met Bob8 then, he's like a veritable Bryan Ferry of RL." - Johnoco 19 Jul 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob8 Posted May 29, 2020 Author Share Posted May 29, 2020 4 hours ago, MattSantos said: Personally, i think running is one of the worst things we can do to keep fit if you're not good at running. Bad mechanics and or support are a recipe for further injury / in-balance. Better options - If you can, swim. Buy a kettlebell. Shadow box. Burpees. Body weight circuits. Lunge. Buy a bike. Balance in all things perhaps. All of the exercises are also bad if there are too many or in bad form. "You clearly have never met Bob8 then, he's like a veritable Bryan Ferry of RL." - Johnoco 19 Jul 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 6 minutes ago, Bob8 said: Balance in all things perhaps. All of the exercises are also bad if there are too many or in bad form. Following The Pain last year, I'm pretty much convinced that most running injuries come from running whilst already injured. But I'd get an actual Expert to confirm that, Anyway, passed 500k running for the year this week. Pleased with that. 1 Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim2 Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 39 minutes ago, Bob8 said: I think @tim2 might be able to advise (though hard surfaces are a killer, I know that). I'm not an expert, but in my experience of a couple of ankle injuries, uneven surfaces are worse than hard surfaces. My physio did tell me that if you have a weakness in the ankle you have to do the strengthening exercises even after the healing has finished. My ankle injuries weren't from running - one was tennis and the other was football. Both a long time ago (15-20 years) - my running problems are a tendency to ITB inflammation on the outside of the knee and calf strains. Bothe would be better if I actually CBA to do the exercises to strengthen the muscles but I'm lazy. "I am the avenging angel; I come with wings unfurled, I come with claws extended from halfway round the world. I am the God Almighty, I am the howling wind. I care not for your family; I care not for your kin. I come in search of terror, though terror is my own; I come in search of vengeance for crimes and crimes unknown. I care not for your children, I care not for your wives, I care not for your country, I care not for your lives." - (c) Jim Boyes - "The Avenging Angel" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbruce Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 34 minutes ago, tim2 said: I'm not an expert, but in my experience of a couple of ankle injuries, uneven surfaces are worse than hard surfaces. My physio did tell me that if you have a weakness in the ankle you have to do the strengthening exercises even after the healing has finished. My ankle injuries weren't from running - one was tennis and the other was football. Both a long time ago (15-20 years) - my running problems are a tendency to ITB inflammation on the outside of the knee and calf strains. Bothe would be better if I actually CBA to do the exercises to strengthen the muscles but I'm lazy. I used to get a lot of calf pulls as I got older drinking more water has pretty much stopped them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niels Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 9 hours ago, Saint 1 said: What ligaments was it? Ankle I take it? Thanks for replying. It was the back of the heel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonM Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, MattSantos said: Personally, i think running is one of the worst things we can do to keep fit if you're not good at running. Bad mechanics and or support are a recipe for further injury / in-balance. Better options - If you can, swim. Buy a kettlebell. Shadow box. Burpees. Body weight circuits. Lunge. Buy a bike. Like anything, it depends on where you're starting from. If you're in your twenties or thirties and in decent shape, sure, kettlebells are great. Probably not so much if you're an overweight middle aged man with back problems. I run about 1500 miles a year, plenty of people in my running club in their sixties and seventies who're in great health. Loads of studies showing that running is good for you long-term. I think if you have an existing problem with ankles, knees etc. from some other sport, then it might not be so good. If you look at the hundreds of thousands of people who run 5k at parkrun on Saturday mornings, only a small minority are "good at running". Burpees , on the other hand, would injure me very quickly I suspect. In Niels's case, I'd do the exercises saint1 suggests. Achilles tendinosis is one of those things that definitely responds to eccentric heel drops and so on and it only takes a few weeks. There's been several sports science studies showing they work, Hakan Alfredsen is the guy who originally showed this. I would be a bit wary about doing much running until any pre-existing condition definitely sorted out. Obviously you need to keep doing the exercises even when it feels better. If it was a sprained ankle rather than achilles, I'd be doing exercises for that as well. Once you've sprained your ankle once, you're at a higher risk of doing it again. Edited May 29, 2020 by JonM 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copa Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 I really enjoyed running but after many years I developed a stubborn case of plantar faciitis that stayed with me for over a year. I now haven’t run for a few years. I get my cardio in at boot camp/HIIT sessions these days. I went back to the gym this morning for the first time since lockdown started. Numbers are limited and we have to book online for a 55 minute session of free weights and cardio machines. We have to clean everything after we use it, including weight plates, and a worker also walks around spraying and wiping the equipment. The constant cleaning eats up some time but it’s great to be back. Everyone was very disciplined too as we don’t want the gym to close again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattSantos Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 16 hours ago, JonM said: Like anything, it depends on where you're starting from. If you're in your twenties or thirties and in decent shape, sure, kettlebells are great. Probably not so much if you're an overweight middle aged man with back problems. I run about 1500 miles a year, plenty of people in my running club in their sixties and seventies who're in great health. Loads of studies showing that running is good for you long-term. I think if you have an existing problem with ankles, knees etc. from some other sport, then it might not be so good. If you look at the hundreds of thousands of people who run 5k at parkrun on Saturday mornings, only a small minority are "good at running". Burpees , on the other hand, would injure me very quickly I suspect. In Niels's case, I'd do the exercises saint1 suggests. Achilles tendinosis is one of those things that definitely responds to eccentric heel drops and so on and it only takes a few weeks. There's been several sports science studies showing they work, Hakan Alfredsen is the guy who originally showed this. I would be a bit wary about doing much running until any pre-existing condition definitely sorted out. Obviously you need to keep doing the exercises even when it feels better. If it was a sprained ankle rather than achilles, I'd be doing exercises for that as well. Once you've sprained your ankle once, you're at a higher risk of doing it again. A middle age man with back problems, should 100% work out with kettlebells. Done properly, they'll help strengthen the posterior chain and ultimately fix the back. Running is very healthy, agreed. If you're a runner, you're likely genetically predisposed to run; not too heavy etc. For those who are over weight and wanting to lose the timber, thats where it becomes a problem and should therefore be avoided. Running the Rob Burrow marathon to raise money for the My Name'5 Doddie foundation: https://www.justgiving.com/fundraising/ben-dyas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonM Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 4 hours ago, MattSantos said: A middle age man with back problems, should 100% work out with kettlebells. Done properly, they'll help strengthen the posterior chain and ultimately fix the back. Running is very healthy, agreed. If you're a runner, you're likely genetically predisposed to run; not too heavy etc. For those who are over weight and wanting to lose the timber, thats where it becomes a problem and should therefore be avoided. I reckon you'd probably want to follow the NHS advice and do the recommended stretches and exercises for a while before progressing to swinging weights about. I very much agree that they'd help once someone can move properly. (One of the best runners of my age that I know quit his job a few years ago to set up a kettlebell gym. Twice, he's taken two all-women groups of his kettlebell clients from never having rowed, to rowing across the channel. Quite impressive when you saw some of them go from pushing a buggy slowly round parkrun to being able to row for hours.) I just worry about people recommending a particular kind of exercise and dissing others without knowing about their age, health, current condition etc. I know someone who lost six stone after taking up running, but I guess weight is predominantly to do with what and when you eat, with exercise (& sleep) mainly in a supporting role. As Niels is about 70kg, weight probably isn't an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 I think what the last few posts show is that there isn't a one size fits all solution or an exercise regime that suits everyone. There are just so many variables at play and differences between people. One 80kg person could be completely different than another 80kg person. Even the experts greatly disagree on some of these topics. Personally I'm a firm believer in that a lot of conventional wisdom that gets bandied about as fact is somewhat flawed and some is based on stuff from the 70s, with small samples or flawed studies, and downright wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 104.8kg this week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattSantos Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Really enjoying the bike - a nice hour in the sun during my dinner 'hour' is an absolute joy. 117 Running the Rob Burrow marathon to raise money for the My Name'5 Doddie foundation: https://www.justgiving.com/fundraising/ben-dyas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 11 hours ago, MattSantos said: Really enjoying the bike - a nice hour in the sun during my dinner 'hour' is an absolute joy. 117 I've took the kids for a few bike rides the last couple of weeks and they absolutely love it. It's probably the first time I've been on my bike for about 3 years and I've really enjoyed it too. Its great when the weather is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 15-Apr 29-Apr 18-May 04-Jun Week Gain/Loss Total Gain/Loss Shadow 87 86.8 87.7 87.3 -0.4 -0.1 Bedford Roughyed 155.1 157.1 156.6 tba tba Moose 69.9 69.9 69.9 tba tba Gingerjon 81 81 81 tba tba Tim2 80 81.5 81.5 tba tba Wiltshire Rhino 135.26 135.26 135.26 tba tba Bobbruce 86 87.7 87.7 89.4 1.7 -0.14 Niels 70.76 70.76 70.76 tba tba Matt Santos 118 118 118 117 -1 -1 Damien 106.1 105.5 105.2 104.8 -0.4 -3.15 Bob8 80.8 80.3 80 81.2 1.2 1.9 Saint 1 85 85 85 tba tba CanaBull 74.84 73.48 73.48 73.02 -0.46 -1.91 OK, I'm now back from furlough and have regular access to the server where I've saved the spreadsheet. Running has improved during my 2 month sabbatical, I'm comfortable at 6miles and building up to 10 at weekends, the weight seems to be hovering around the High 86 to high 87 kg range, although after a 6 miler last week I weighed in at 85.3, losing over 2Kg in the course of the run. After rehydrating it was back up to a more familiar 87.5 I'm tempted to try for another final marathon, I did London last year 20 years after my first and 18 months after my Heart treatment but my time was so poor (over 6 hours) that I want to get another one done to finish in the sub 4.30 region. Then I may knock it on the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonM Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Shadow said: I'm tempted to try for another final marathon, I did London last year 20 years after my first and 18 months after my Heart treatment but my time was so poor (over 6 hours) that I want to get another one done to finish in the sub 4.30 region. Then I may knock it on the head. Plenty of time to train for one - can't see many mass events taking place this year. I was supposed to be doing Boston (Lincs) in April, which is postponed to October, with a possible plan of setting everybody off in small groups, at intervals. Largely rural/empty route though, so not much chance of encountering people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, JonM said: Plenty of time to train for one - can't see many mass events taking place this year. I was supposed to be doing Boston (Lincs) in April, which is postponed to October, with a possible plan of setting everybody off in small groups, at intervals. Largely rural/empty route though, so not much chance of encountering people. I've been checking online today (not that busy here in the office) at European city marathons, Barcelona, Amsterdam and Munich are all looking possible for next year. No entry limits, sort of reasonable prices (compared to New York and Chicago) and easily accessible for a weekend trip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonM Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, Shadow said: I've been checking online today (not that busy here in the office) at European city marathons, Barcelona, Amsterdam and Munich are all looking possible for next year. No entry limits, sort of reasonable prices (compared to New York and Chicago) and easily accessible for a weekend trip. I did Barcelona a few years ago and loved it. It was the same weekend as Manchester, and it was (much) cheaper to enter, the hotel was cheaper and the flight was cheaper than train or driving to Manchester. The more carbon emission aware me of today would probably avoid the flight. What I particularly liked was going to the Nou Camp the next day, and seeing hundreds of fit blokes hobbling up the multiple flights of stairs to the top of the stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanaBull Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Still working on getting back to running, it's taking a lot longer than I'd like but trying to be objective I'm still progressing. Walking 3-5km every other day and running up to 2km as much as I can stand. I'm down in weight to 160lbs this week which, given the reduced activity and all the isolation I'm very happy with maintaining the 160-164 goal range. We're starting phasing back into the office this coming week so there will be more structure coming back. Some welcome changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 14 minutes ago, JonM said: I did Barcelona a few years ago and loved it. It was the same weekend as Manchester, and it was (much) cheaper to enter, the hotel was cheaper and the flight was cheaper than train or driving to Manchester. The more carbon emission aware me of today would probably avoid the flight. What I particularly liked was going to the Nou Camp the next day, and seeing hundreds of fit blokes hobbling up the multiple flights of stairs to the top of the stand. I've always fancied the Barcelona marathon, it's a fantastic city and Mrs Shadow's never been so it may be my farewell marathon tour. I did Amsterdam a few years ago but had an injury going into the event and didn't get anywhere close to the time I wanted. That said I'd be over the moon with that time now, it was around 4.25 I think. I was quite pleased that at one point I was only about 300m behind Heile Gebrasalssie, and stayed there for about 2 - 3 minutes, right up until the starting gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonM Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 51 minutes ago, Shadow said: I've always fancied the Barcelona marathon, it's a fantastic city and Mrs Shadow's never been so it may be my farewell marathon tour. The route takes you past a lot of the tourist sights (and is reasonably flat) and there's a lot of crowd support. I particularly remember the bands that were playing at various points. It's also relatively shaded, apart from a couple of miles along the coast. Also remember that my cheapo hotel had put on a special marathon runners breakfast at 5am Sunday morning, which they hadn't mentioned when booking - a nice touch. Definitely recommend it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copa Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 I’ve packed on 6kg during lockdown. The gyms were shut and I worked from home right near my fridge. Since the gym has reopened I’ve been 10 days in a row and have lost 1.5kg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copa Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 2.5kg lost in the two weeks since the gym reopened. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob8 Posted June 14, 2020 Author Share Posted June 14, 2020 Still at 79.9kg. Had a few days off. "You clearly have never met Bob8 then, he's like a veritable Bryan Ferry of RL." - Johnoco 19 Jul 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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