Super league minimum ground criteria

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15 hours ago, AB Knight said:

There were plans to redevelop the main stand at Cas back in the mid 90s, I remember Lee Crooks showing us them at a summer rugby skills camp! I also remember them looking at putting up a temporary stand behind the railway end during the cup run of 1998. Strange but true!

I dont think any new stadium will be forthcoming for Cas or Wakey unless we all patch up our differences with each other and the council to push for a shared stadium. 2 clubs with a combined average attendance of almost 15k, working together and with a fully supportive council, should be able to build a basic shared stadium around the Normanton area. Basic meaning no country parks, designer outlets, swimming pools, casinos and bowling alleys. Just a basic flat pack IKEA stadium.

Instead I resign myself to another decade of Wakefield at loggerheads with the council, and Cas coming up with pie in the sky stadium designs while the fans become excited every time they see a digger and a construction worker with a hat hard on

I think a shared stadium is the way to go. They should also merge the two clubs and call it, off the top of my head, Calder.

[Jacko45]

17 hours ago, AB Knight said:

There were plans to redevelop the main stand at Cas back in the mid 90s, I remember Lee Crooks showing us them at a summer rugby skills camp! I also remember them looking at putting up a temporary stand behind the railway end during the cup run of 1998. Strange but true!

I dont think any new stadium will be forthcoming for Cas or Wakey unless we all patch up our differences with each other and the council to push for a shared stadium. 2 clubs with a combined average attendance of almost 15k, working together and with a fully supportive council, should be able to build a basic shared stadium around the Normanton area. Basic meaning no country parks, designer outlets, swimming pools, casinos and bowling alleys. Just a basic flat pack IKEA stadium.

Instead I resign myself to another decade of Wakefield at loggerheads with the council, and Cas coming up with pie in the sky stadium designs while the fans become excited every time they see a digger and a construction worker with a hat hard on

Missed an opportunity to ground share on the old Sharlston pit site, gone in off the Normanton bypass, but it will never happen cos Wakefield council are hopeless at best.

[Wollo Wollo Wayoo]

4 hours ago, Rupert Prince said:

Should both Cas and Wakey be expelled because of this toing and froing?

WTF pie in the sky world are you hoping to create?

[gingdong]

8 hours ago, Wollo Wollo Wayoo said:

1.  The North Stand has vastly improved the Wakefield fans experience IMHO

2. Attracting new fans is 99.9% linked to continued improved performance of the team out on the pitch.

its an utter disgrace that they have to train at Featherstone because despite there millions more from sky they have no fit for purpose facilities 

[DEANO]

Poor old super greed

[PREPOSTEROUS]

47 minutes ago, gingdong said:

its an utter disgrace that they have to train at Featherstone because despite there millions more from sky they have no fit for purpose facilities 

A disgrace? Really?

Besides I wouldn't have thought Featherstone minded getting a bit of extra cash? 

The superleague funding goes on players, otherwise you wouldn't stay in the top flight for very long. Don't tell me Featherstone would've done anything different if they had got promoted in 1998.

[WakefieldCityLoyal]

44 minutes ago, gingdong said:

its an utter disgrace that they have to train at Featherstone because despite there millions more from sky they have no fit for purpose facilities 

We don’t have to train at fev think Wakey lad Dav must have done us a good deal.

 A few rumours circulating the Merrie City saying we may have positive stadium news soon, don’t think that includes training facilities so you might still benefit financially from us.

Up the Trin 

[MADREDNIGE]

On 1/16/2019 at 10:02 AM, thepimp007 said:

Ah the joys of nicking some stands from the remnants of Scarborough FC, you can denounce your local rivals for their shortcomings Bravo haha

At least Featherstone got off their ar-e's and did something about improving the ground not keep rolling the plan's out of some fantasy ground every time ground cretiria gets mentioned! 

[MADREDNIGE]

On 1/16/2019 at 10:49 AM, thepimp007 said:

Haha I was only jesting mate couldn't resist

We'll let you off then! 

[MADREDNIGE]

On 1/16/2019 at 4:51 PM, Kenilworth Tiger said:

Thanks for that - I seem to remember all clubs had their scores made public as to how and why they got franchises. Can you share it with me please to prove your point?

They'll be lucky to be in new grounds by 3012.

[WakefieldCityLoyal]

20 hours ago, Chamey said:

It's not a council's responsibility to build stadiums. SLE clubs are private enterprises and should be funded as such. It'd be nice to see someone at SLE tell them that they have 5 years to have their stadiums up to scratch (media facilities, seats, covered areas, hospitality etc). If they're not ready by then then they'll be automatically relegated.

Lets be honest, top tier competitions can afford a few towns, which give competitions charm, but SLE has Cas (40k), Wake (90k), St Helens (100k), Wigan (100k), 4/12 around/under 100k. That's too many small markets. Is there any wonder why SLE may not get the TV deal it deserves?

For contrast: Prem Football: Burnley (73k), Watford (97k) 2/20. Prem RU: Bath (90k), Worcester (101k), 1.5/12. UK Ice Hockey: Kirkcaldy (50k), Guildford (78k) 2/11. UK Netball: Hatfield (40k), Loughbrough (60k), Bath (90k), 3/10.

And if they do get relegated, they've got no-one but themselves to blame, and their punishment will be watching all the little Cas/Wakey boys and girls in future years ask for Leeds/Bradford kits for Christmas, all because they couldn't get their house in order.

You would have thought it would be the councils responsibility to honour the SoS 106 agreement which would have seen a community stadium and community sports facilities at Newmarket built with no cost to the council.  A location that halfway between Wakefield and Cas, they showed no political will and sat by letting a private developer make millions.

[Rupert Prince]

3 hours ago, Wollo Wollo Wayoo said:

WTF pie in the sky world are you hoping to create?

I am supportive of Cas and Wakey.  My question is an open one, not doing them down, I was facing up to the question.

As it stands the origional questioner was complaining that Cas have not met standards.   Something sometime needs to be done somehow.

[Manx RL]

1 hour ago, Rupert Prince said:

I am supportive of Cas and Wakey.  My question is an open one, not doing them down, I was facing up to the question.

As it stands the origional questioner was complaining that Cas have not met standards.   Something sometime needs to be done somehow.

http://www.castigers.com/page.php?id=828

Help them out. Buy a brick 

 

[Sparse Attendance]

If this is a criteria decided by the RFL they are better just ignoring it. They probably wouldn’t check up anyway, as they’ll all be too busy planning another great all inclusive holiday for themselves and Nigel Wood. I’m sure New York just needs one more (or two) visits to make sure it’s ready for RL. 

[Rupert Prince]

1 hour ago, Manx RL said:

http://www.castigers.com/page.php?id=828

Help them out. Buy a brick 

 

I have helped fund Wigan with lotteries and still do. Good luck to Cas and Wakey. They are in a miserable political mire.

But stadia are a millstone on clubs. Wigan ran themselves down into the ground with Central Park. 

[M j M]

3 minutes ago, Rupert Prince said:

But stadia are a millstone on clubs. Wigan ran themselves down into the ground with Central Park. 

They are a millstone if they are dilapidated wrecks. If they have scope to generate significant non-gameday revenues (or if the cost of renting is exhorbitant) they are cash cows.

[Kenilworth Tiger]

14 hours ago, MADREDNIGE said:

They'll be lucky to be in new grounds by 3012.

helpful post that cheers

[cookey]

So what is the answer to the grounds at Castleford and Wakefield,the status quo is clearly unacceptable for more than the next year or so.

[Les Tonks Sidestep]

14 hours ago, WakefieldCityLoyal said:

You would have thought it would be the councils responsibility to honour the SoS 106 agreement which would have seen a community stadium and community sports facilities at Newmarket built with no cost to the council.  A location that halfway between Wakefield and Cas, they showed no political will and sat by letting a private developer make millions.

I'm not sure the trigger point for the stadium build would have been reached even if the white box was included, so the developer would still not yet be obliged to build.

[PREPOSTEROUS]

 

46 minutes ago, Les Tonks Sidestep said:

I'm not sure the trigger point for the stadium build would have been reached even if the white box was included, so the developer would still not yet be obliged to build.

That's not the point, the council in approving Newcold under a separate planning application have set a precedent so the developer never has to build the stadium regardless of how much is built a Newmarket. The developer has already made their position clear with the upcoming Kitwave application where their solictors have argued there is no legal obligation on them to fund a stadium, despite only getting planning permission on Greenbelt because of said stadium and community facilities. 

 

Sadly club rivalries are clouding the bigger picture here. There is something going on much bigger than Rugby League.

[gingdong]

15 hours ago, PREPOSTEROUS said:

A disgrace? Really?

Besides I wouldn't have thought Featherstone minded getting a bit of extra cash? 

The superleague funding goes on players, otherwise you wouldn't stay in the top flight for very long. Don't tell me Featherstone would've done anything different if they had got promoted in 1998.

you were given a 6 year licence to build business and infrastructure free from relegation, rovers won the league many times in that era, you criminally wasted those 6 years and did nothing, rovers rebuilt there ground and built state of the art training facilities. Now you tell me which club deserves the sky money ??

[Clogiron]

12 hours ago, Rupert Prince said:

I have helped fund Wigan with lotteries and still do. Good luck to Cas and Wakey. They are in a miserable political mire.

But stadia are a millstone on clubs. Wigan ran themselves down into the ground with Central Park. 

I thought  Wigan ran themselves into the ground with player contract's they found unsustainable?

[Loiner]

On 1/16/2019 at 5:53 PM, Wildcat said:

Always a snidey dig for Wakefield and Cas eh? Bet you are furious Leigh play at a decent ground aren't you Troll Face?

He is telling the truth though. Fed up hearing about their new grounds that never happen. Genuine question has a sod of earth been turned at Castleford ?

[WakefieldCityLoyal]

51 minutes ago, gingdong said:

you were given a 6 year licence to build business and infrastructure free from relegation, rovers won the league many times in that era, you criminally wasted those 6 years and did nothing, rovers rebuilt there ground and built state of the art training facilities. Now you tell me which club deserves the sky money ??

Bring back franchising?

Hopefully our stadium situation will be sorted soon, not sure about cas though. 

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1 hour ago, gingdong said:

you were given a 6 year licence to build business and infrastructure free from relegation, rovers won the league many times in that era, you criminally wasted those 6 years and did nothing, rovers rebuilt there ground and built state of the art training facilities. Now you tell me which club deserves the sky money ??

Trinity have been in the top flight so deserve their funding. Featherstone can't lay claim to something they never would have received in the championship.

Featherstone have done marvellously well to get where they are, but lets male no mistake about this, had you had a superleague wage bill the money would've gone on players rather than facilities.  In fact name a club who has used the SL funding on facilities rather than players salaries.