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4 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

I have to disagree with this as well.  I think he has had his best year, not least because he is assuming the role as a leader in the pack.  2020 and 2021 have been his best for run metres per game while his missed tackles are down and tackle busts up this year so his game is improving year on year.

In the modern game, playing off the interchange bench is not being 'benched' as if some kind of performance issue... it is just that the coach sees you having an impact there.  The Rabbitohs have a better win record this year when he comes off the bench and so he is clearly having a positive effect there. 

I agree he’s better off the bench, which is why Bennett has reverted to that. Him and Tatola were superb starting last year. This year he hasn’t had the impact starting and has been targeted around the ruck, getting exposed. It helps him coming on later as the opposition is less fresh to take advantage of his lateral immobility.

His missed tackles maybe down but the ones he has missed have generally been critical this year

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I think Bennet has got the mix better, starting Nichols and Burgess on the bench. Nichols doing better and then Tom coming on after the opposition has been softened up a bit, working well. When it was reversed Nichols coming off the bench had less impact, but he's been steady when starting.

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Well done to Tom Burgess for getting to another NRL Grand Final.  Again, his contribution off the bench was significant and helped give the Rabbitohs some momentum through the middle of the park against Manly.

He will need another big effort next week against the Panthers, as he did in week 1.

On a side note, just realised that this is my 10,000th post on this forum so quite fitting it is the Brits in the NRL thread which is probably my most visited conversation.

Let's see if I can get to 20,000... my wife is bound to realise that I am not studying for an online Masters degree soon!

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4 minutes ago, Jonty58 said:

I think he will be a runner up again.

Pretty sure they won the last time he played.

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10 hours ago, Man of Kent said:

How do we think the Brits did this year? My general impression is there were promising starts by several players that tailed off somewhat, most notably George ‘Whinging Pom’ Williams. 

Williams was outclassed everytime he came up against the top 6 half backs in the nrl

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11 hours ago, Man of Kent said:

How do we think the Brits did this year? My general impression is there were promising starts by several players that tailed off somewhat, most notably George ‘Whinging Pom’ Williams. 

Luke Thompson and Elliott Whitehead performed well, considering the Bulldogs are struggling and the Raiders had a big mid-season dip in form as a team.

Ryan Sutton was okay, but didn't catch the eye, and Herbie Farnworth continues to develop in a wretched Broncos side that did start to show some spirit towards the end of the season.

Tom Burgess has had an excellent season for Souths.

George Williams' season went right downhill - I mean, he joined Warrington! :kolobok_wink:

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I would say Ryan Sutton and Tom Burgess have had the best seasons of the Brits.  Burgess has reaffirmed himself as a key forward in a Grand Final team while Sutton was strong all year in a pretty poor Raiders team.

And on the point above, Whitehead and Hodgson are two of the senior and best players for Canberra so they have to hold a bit of blame for their poor showing.  People may say I am harsh on Whitehead here but honestly, if he was an Aussie would you have him as a stand out edge forward this year?

Luke Thompson's season was stop start with suspension but towards the back end he was clearly the best forward and probably the best player for the Bulldogs.

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2 minutes ago, Dunbar said:

I would say Ryan Sutton and Tom Burgess have had the best seasons of the Brits.  Burgess has reaffirmed himself as a key forward in a Grand Final team while Sutton was strong all year in a pretty poor Raiders team.

And on the point above, Whitehead and Hodgson are two of the senior and best players for Canberra so they have to hold a bit of blame for their poor showing.  People may say I am harsh on Whitehead here but honestly, if he was an Aussie would you have him as a stand out edge forward this year?

Luke Thompson's season was stop start with suspension but towards the back end he was clearly the best forward and probably the best player for the Bulldogs.

I thought Whitehead was Canberra’s most consistent forward.

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2 minutes ago, Davo5 said:

I thought Whitehead was Canberra’s most consistent forward.

I actually thought it was Sutton.

I'm not try to be too harsh on Whitehead but I just don't think he was up to his usual high standards this season.

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Well Tom Burgess topped a fine season with another strong performance in the Grand Final this morning. Topped the running and post contact metres for Souths and won every collision to ensure Souths got some momentum after an intense start from Penrith. 

He probably had his best game in defence as well... he was energetic and mobile, collared Nathan Cleary in an important play and put in a few decent shots as well.

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4 hours ago, burnleywelsh said:

Very good , seeing how average our centre stocks are hopefully he continues to progress and he’s in the England fold come the WC . He should be in the team 

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Farnworth now has 2 back to back seasons where he’s made some well informed judges sit up and take notice.

On current standing and with another season in the NRL under his belt, he will have a very strong case for a Centre spot in the England World Cup squad.

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Another young Hodgson departs for the NRL - Serious About Rugby League (seriousaboutrl.com)

Can`t remember when there have been so many young Englishmen coming over so early.

Part of me is concerned that you`re losing a lot of your young talent yet another part thinks it`ll open up more places in your own system for other young blokes to come through and be given an opportunity. In a perverse way it could stimulate junior development. Certainly an interesting trend.

 

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1 hour ago, The Rocket said:

Thought you might be interested.

Another young Hodgson departs for the NRL - Serious About Rugby League (seriousaboutrl.com)

Can`t remember when there have been so many young Englishmen coming over so early.

Part of me is concerned that you`re losing a lot of your young talent yet another part thinks it`ll open up more places in your own system for other young blokes to come through and be given an opportunity. In a perverse way it could stimulate junior development. Certainly an interesting trend.

 

I'm very comfortable with it.  Firstly, it is hardly a flood of players - Farnworth, Dom Young, Harry Rushton and the Hodgson brothers represent 5 players who have moved to Australia before establishing themselves as first team players in the UK (I may have missed one or two but it is not huge numbers).

Secondly, I think player pathways are very important.  We stress that UK based Rugby League players don't have the attraction of international games (as we don't play enough) and so the attraction of playing in Australia where Rugby League is huge may help swing the decision making of a talented young sportsman to our game.

The key for me is that they are in (and stay in) Rugby League. 

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1 hour ago, The Rocket said:

Thought you might be interested.

Another young Hodgson departs for the NRL - Serious About Rugby League (seriousaboutrl.com)

Can`t remember when there have been so many young Englishmen coming over so early.

Part of me is concerned that you`re losing a lot of your young talent yet another part thinks it`ll open up more places in your own system for other young blokes to come through and be given an opportunity. In a perverse way it could stimulate junior development. Certainly an interesting trend.

 

I think it came out of nowhere that one.  His brother (at the Knights) seems to be doing ok too although it’ll be another year or so to see if he’ll crack it.

On UK kids travelling to Aus to take their chance.  There are a few routes available.  Someone very close to me got asked if he would be interested in going to Keebra Park college (linked to Wests)after they had watched a few videos of him playing. He didn’t take the opportunity which we respected but it just shows, NRL people are looking in every corner for potential and will support it. 

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Not commenting on other players, but Luke Thompson is a real mixed bag. He's pretty good going forward but his defence is well below par.  Every game I watched he was way too slow to get into position in the defensive line after making a tackle, and some of his 'efforts' at tackling were powderpuff to say the least - all arms and no shoulders, and some horribly mistimed efforts again partly because he's not getting into the right place in the line.

Phil Gould going to Canterbury is probably a good thing for someone like Thompson as he will lay it out for him in very simple terms. Next year will be make or break.

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A young player drain adds to the senior player drain to a competition whose strategy is to place itself first, above the rest of the sport, with no interest in the wider game. Hence no World Cup, and no 2022 WCC. They are a threat to everybody looking to play or watch the game anywhere outside the NRL. 

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