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2 minutes ago, Just Browny said:

That's absurd. We should at least stratify according to whether they come from posh liberal or poor working class areas.

Obviously men doing cosmopolitan jobs such as myself are exempt.


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5 minutes ago, The Future is League said:

I'm sure a lot of people who aren't in favour of capital punishment would have there minds changed if they lost a family who was murdered or overdosed on drugs

I suspect you're right. That's why we have built legal systems based on establishing facts and proportionality, not emotion and animal responses.

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I can confirm 30+ less sales for Scotland vs Italy at Workington, after this afternoons test purchase for the Tonga match, £7.50 is extremely reasonable, however a £2.50 'delivery' fee for a walk in purchase is beyond taking the mickey, good luck with that, it's cheaper on the telly.

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2 minutes ago, Just Browny said:

I suspect you're right. That's why we have built legal systems based on establishing facts and proportionality, not emotion and animal responses.

Doesn't help that in a significant number of cases, the person murdering the family or raping the kids is the man of the house.

Liam Neeson revenge fantasies are a bit like 'the good man with a gun'. They don't survive contact with reality too often.


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On ‎2‎/‎14‎/‎2019 at 8:14 AM, The Future is League said:

Disagree. OOPS! another piece of evidence has come through to prove their innocence, quick release them.

Too late M'lud they're having a swingers party.


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The death penalty for me can only ever be an option when there is 100% certainly that the accused has committed the crime. This is very, very rarely the case and when it is the defendant often pleads insanity in mitigation. There have been far too many miscarriages of justice in my opinion to have the death penalty. That is before you even get to any sort of moral debate.

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10 hours ago, John Drake said:

Back to the Dark Ages we go...

Jacob Reece Foggs working towards it for you John?

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On 2/14/2019 at 8:25 AM, The Future is League said:

That's your choice, but something needs to be done to rid society of all these low life's.

What better way than to execute them and save us taxpayers a fortune.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. 

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1 hour ago, Damien said:

The death penalty for me can only ever be an option when there is 100% certainly that the accused has committed the crime. This is very, very rarely the case and when it is the defendant often pleads insanity in mitigation. There have been far too many miscarriages of justice in my opinion to have the death penalty. That is before you even get to any sort of moral debate.

Just waiting for the new evidence to turn up to clear Sutcliffe, Huntly and Whiting, all convicted on the flimsiest of evidence weren't they......NOT!

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32 minutes ago, Private Baldrick said:

Just waiting for the new evidence to turn up to clear Sutcliffe, Huntly and Whiting, all convicted on the flimsiest of evidence weren't they......NOT!

Hugh Callaghan, Patrick Joseph Hill, Gerard Hunter, Richard McIlkenny, William Power and John Walker might disagree.

So might Barry George, Patrick Molloy, James Robinson, Michael Hickey and Vincent Hickey.

There's loads more here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_miscarriage_of_justice_cases#United_Kingdom

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48 minutes ago, Private Baldrick said:

Just waiting for the new evidence to turn up to clear Sutcliffe, Huntly and Whiting, all convicted on the flimsiest of evidence weren't they......NOT!

And as Shadow has already posted there are many miscarriages of justice. Many of these were prosecuted with evidence considered just as damning, until someone pointed out flaws or a reason why it was impossible for the person to commit the crime. One innocent man dieing as a result of being sentenced to the death penalty is one too many for me.

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58 minutes ago, Private Baldrick said:

Just waiting for the new evidence to turn up to clear Sutcliffe, Huntly and Whiting, all convicted on the flimsiest of evidence weren't they......NOT!

Lets for the sake of argument say those 3 had been sentenced to death and killed, tell me how that would make any difference? would it be worth it for the times that people were killed when innocent?

Also the Death penalty isn't costless, it costs - a lot 

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If a person was walking through central London, stabbing and killing passers by, and he was caught on over 20 cctv cameras and seen by over a dozen eye witnesses doing the dark deeds, and was identified through these means, would the people who are against capital punishment on the grounds of a possible  'miscarriage of justice' now consider the death penalty, or still be against it. Just wondering? 

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Isn’t it well established that the death penalty doesn’t work as a deterrent?

Dont 88% of criminologists support that view according to recent study from the USA.

What would we be achieving here if we’re not really preventing future murders?

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I wouldn't lose any sleep if "certain" people, locked up for awful crimes, were strung up. However, because of potential miscarriages of justice, I don't want capital punishment to return to our country. 


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10 minutes ago, Gerrumonside ref said:

Isn’t it well established that the death penalty doesn’t work as a deterrent?

Dont 88% of criminologists support that view according to recent study from the USA.

What would we be achieving here if we’re not really preventing future murders?

I don't think it's a deterrent at all. If someone is going to murder someone I don't think the death penalty is going to stop them anymore than a severe jail sentence. I think it's primary purpose is simply to satisfy a craving for revenge amongst some people.

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30 minutes ago, Jasper said:

If a person was walking through central London, stabbing and killing passers by, and he was caught on over 20 cctv cameras and seen by over a dozen eye witnesses doing the dark deeds, and was identified through these means, would the people who are against capital punishment on the grounds of a possible  'miscarriage of justice' now consider the death penalty, or still be against it. Just wondering? 

I'm against it for more than one reason. 

As rightly pointed out, miscarriages of justice do exist. I think it's hypocritical to condemn murder but also sanction it depending on circumstance. It's not a deterrent, even Albert Pierrepoint knew that! By the lowest estimate, he hung 435 people. Do you the previous 434 hangings had an effect on the 435th?

The death penalty only satiates the bloodthirst in us and nothing more. It's neither deterrent, punishment or rehabilitation, so what's the point?

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36 minutes ago, Jasper said:

If a person was walking through central London, stabbing and killing passers by, and he was caught on over 20 cctv cameras and seen by over a dozen eye witnesses doing the dark deeds, and was identified through these means, would the people who are against capital punishment on the grounds of a possible  'miscarriage of justice' now consider the death penalty, or still be against it. Just wondering? 

I would still be against the death penalty because I am against the death penalty.

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2 hours ago, Jasper said:

If a person was walking through central London, stabbing and killing passers by, and he was caught on over 20 cctv cameras and seen by over a dozen eye witnesses doing the dark deeds, and was identified through these means, would the people who are against capital punishment on the grounds of a possible  'miscarriage of justice' now consider the death penalty, or still be against it. Just wondering? 

I would be against it, but not on possible 'miscarriage of justice' grounds. 


I can confirm 30+ less sales for Scotland vs Italy at Workington, after this afternoons test purchase for the Tonga match, £7.50 is extremely reasonable, however a £2.50 'delivery' fee for a walk in purchase is beyond taking the mickey, good luck with that, it's cheaper on the telly.

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3 hours ago, Jasper said:

If a person was walking through central London, stabbing and killing passers by, and he was caught on over 20 cctv cameras and seen by over a dozen eye witnesses doing the dark deeds, and was identified through these means, would the people who are against capital punishment on the grounds of a possible  'miscarriage of justice' now consider the death penalty, or still be against it. Just wondering? 

Yes I’d be against it because 100% certainty they did the crime is just one part of why I disagree with the death penalty, not the only reason

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26 minutes ago, Just Browny said:

I would be against it, but not on possible 'miscarriage of justice' grounds. 

That's fair enough.

Any thoughts though on how to solve the issues that are affecting Sri Lanka at the moment. The issues that prompted the discussion in the first place?

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1 hour ago, Niels said:

That's fair enough.

Any thoughts though on how to solve the issues that are affecting Sri Lanka at the moment. The issues that prompted the discussion in the first place?

No.

I have never been there and don't intend to start prescribing solutions to problems thousands of miles away.


I can confirm 30+ less sales for Scotland vs Italy at Workington, after this afternoons test purchase for the Tonga match, £7.50 is extremely reasonable, however a £2.50 'delivery' fee for a walk in purchase is beyond taking the mickey, good luck with that, it's cheaper on the telly.

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Justice and vengeance are two totally different concepts, maybe the pro death penalty folks on here would like to consider that for a moment? 


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