Martyn Sadler Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 1 minute ago, ckn said: I only intervene in negative contexts or where it's being used to deliberately change the context of the post. I doubt seriously that @JonM minded given he "liked" the post and we're like minded on many subjects around this area. But... I do understand your point as it looks like dual standards. I take your point in this particular case but it could be more contentious in other contexts and with other posters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidingPie Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 1 minute ago, ckn said: The idiot spin has started: I wait for the "betrayers of the people" unofficial but remarkably consistent spin against the Tory defectors. They've probably spent days coming up with that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob8 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 1 minute ago, ckn said: The idiot spin has started: I wait for the "betrayers of the people" unofficial but remarkably consistent spin against the Tory defectors. The thing is, I agree with the criticism. This is my issue with Corbynistas, not that they are as left wing as they are. I am happy with that. It is they they are terrible at politics. Yes, the criticism is right. It changes nothing. Act rather than complain, but the general trend is to note how unfair things are. It does not matter, it was always thus, deal with reality. (that also applies to many brexiteers on the Brexit thread). "You clearly have never met Bob8 then, he's like a veritable Bryan Ferry of RL." - Johnoco 19 Jul 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 22 minutes ago, gingerjon said: Vince is currently wearing a giant PICK ME sign and walking up and down in front of them. My gift to him arrived then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westlondonfan Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, ckn said: The idiot spin has started: I wait for the "betrayers of the people" unofficial but remarkably consistent spin against the Tory defectors. They are trying to stop Labour being elected despite these MPs making a career out of the Labour Party. What do you want them to say? Will there be by-elections in your view? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidingPie Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 1 minute ago, westlondonfan said: They are trying to stop Labour being elected despite these MPs making a career out of the Labour Party. What do you want them to say? Will there be by-elections in your view? not according to Corbyn a few years back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 The three ex tories are in the house ! Hopefully no one says ‘ oy that’s my seat , shift . I’ve sat there 78 years ‘ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckn Posted February 20, 2019 Author Share Posted February 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, DavidM said: The three ex tories are in the house ! Hopefully no one says ‘ oy that’s my seat , shift . I’ve sat there 78 years ‘ Some seriously sour faced Northern Irish MPs there just now on TV having to sit with these soft-centrist English folk "When in deadly danger, when beset by doubt; run in little circles, wave your arms and shout" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, ckn said: Some seriously sour faced Northern Irish MPs there just now on TV having to sit with these soft-centrist English folk Ian Paisley , literally sitting turned away . Lovely . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Strange that they’re registered as a limited company and not a political party. This of course means they don’t have to divulge their backers. Imagine being so “independent” that your backers insist on you keeping them anonymous, strange indeed, almost Machiavellian you could say. "Freedom without socialism is privilege and injustice, socialism without freedom is slavery and brutality" - Mikhail Bakunin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Just now, Phil said: Strange that they’re registered as a limited company and not a political party. This of course means they don’t have to divulge their backers. Imagine being so “independent” that your backers insist on you keeping them anonymous, strange indeed, almost Machiavellian you could say. See above. They have said (though no word on whether to believe them) that they are funding it themselves so far and will disclose backers in the future. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob8 Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 8 minutes ago, DavidM said: Ian Paisley , literally sitting turned away . Lovely . What life would be to be blessed with so little self-awareness. "You clearly have never met Bob8 then, he's like a veritable Bryan Ferry of RL." - Johnoco 19 Jul 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RidingPie Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, Phil said: Strange that they’re registered as a limited company and not a political party. This of course means they don’t have to divulge their backers. Imagine being so “independent” that your backers insist on you keeping them anonymous, strange indeed, almost Machiavellian you could say. Also had they registered as a political party they would only have to declare their backers in April, so it doesn't seem very different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckn Posted February 20, 2019 Author Share Posted February 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Phil said: Strange that they’re registered as a limited company and not a political party. This of course means they don’t have to divulge their backers. Imagine being so “independent” that your backers insist on you keeping them anonymous, strange indeed, almost Machiavellian you could say. Not strange at all when they've promised an "open book" on their donors. As NewKIP recognised, it's not a same-day turnaround in setting up a new party, it takes time. Judge them on what they do rather than what their critics accuse them of before they're even a day or two in the job. "When in deadly danger, when beset by doubt; run in little circles, wave your arms and shout" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckn Posted February 20, 2019 Author Share Posted February 20, 2019 Albeit before today's Tory defections. I've had a think about this. Labour were going to lose anyway so be as well hanged for a sheep as a lamb. I could see no way in which Labour could win this side of 2027 (assuming Corbyn kept going to 2022 and that's when the next election is). It makes bitter reading for the Lib Dems as well. "When in deadly danger, when beset by doubt; run in little circles, wave your arms and shout" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Decimus Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 1 hour ago, JonM said: It's hard to think of any other explanation for why he suddenly backed out of the leadership campaign. But then why put himself back in the limelight now. Hard to imagine what he could have done that's worse than Boris Johnson or Liam Fox or many others. Maybe he actually didn't like the fact his 102 year old gran was getting watched by the press. A Widnesian in Ireland blog What is the best system for Super League? An honest appraisal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Decimus Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 46 minutes ago, DavidM said: Jacob Rees Mogg . Give it a broader church look High Anglican maybe. Although he's actually a Catholic.. A Widnesian in Ireland blog What is the best system for Super League? An honest appraisal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, ckn said: Albeit before today's Tory defections. I've had a think about this. Labour were going to lose anyway so be as well hanged for a sheep as a lamb. I could see no way in which Labour could win this side of 2027 (assuming Corbyn kept going to 2022 and that's when the next election is). It makes bitter reading for the Lib Dems as well. As someone smarter than me just said on twitter: we are getting very close to the British public choosing 'Don't know' as Prime Minister and wanting to vote for a party that doesn't exist. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, ckn said: Albeit before today's Tory defections. I've had a think about this. Labour were going to lose anyway so be as well hanged for a sheep as a lamb. I could see no way in which Labour could win this side of 2027 (assuming Corbyn kept going to 2022 and that's when the next election is). It makes bitter reading for the Lib Dems as well. We so desperatley need to be shot of Vince Cable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckn Posted February 20, 2019 Author Share Posted February 20, 2019 Just now, gingerjon said: As someone smarter than me just said on twitter: we are getting very close to the British public choosing 'Don't know' as Prime Minister and wanting to vote for a party that doesn't exist. I saw this as well and it doesn't half make you think that there actually is a better way to do politics: "When in deadly danger, when beset by doubt; run in little circles, wave your arms and shout" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Browny Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, ckn said: I saw this as well and it doesn't half make you think that there actually is a better way to do politics: Isn't this what the Lib Dems thought they were doing when they were hugging and kissing Cameron and co in 2010? I can confirm 30+ less sales for Scotland vs Italy at Workington, after this afternoons test purchase for the Tonga match, £7.50 is extremely reasonable, however a £2.50 'delivery' fee for a walk in purchase is beyond taking the mickey, good luck with that, it's cheaper on the telly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckn Posted February 20, 2019 Author Share Posted February 20, 2019 Just as a comparator, here's the YouGov polling data without Independent Group as an option: "When in deadly danger, when beset by doubt; run in little circles, wave your arms and shout" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckn Posted February 20, 2019 Author Share Posted February 20, 2019 Just now, Just Browny said: Isn't this what the Lib Dems thought they were doing when they were hugging and kissing Cameron and co in 2010? If they'd done that rather than simply rolling over, seeing their best ideas given a Tory stamp and stolen, appeasing austerity for five years and having their faces firmly behind some of the worst right-wing ideas in generations then they might have done well. Those Clegg and Cable blokes have a lot to answer for in the destruction of the Lib Dems. "When in deadly danger, when beset by doubt; run in little circles, wave your arms and shout" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerjon Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, Just Browny said: Isn't this what the Lib Dems thought they were doing when they were hugging and kissing Cameron and co in 2010? IMO, that's why a lot of it will be down to how things proceed in reality. For example, I still think the Coalition Agreement wasn't bad and, with a bit more nous, the period 2010-2015 wouldn't have been too awful (bad but not so unremittingly grim). Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Decimus Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 9 minutes ago, Shadow said: We so desperatley need to be shot of Vince Cable I say this as somebody who voted LD at the last election. Cable isn't the problem, the Lib Dems are toxic because of 2010-15 and I'm not sure they can ever get to their previous position. A Widnesian in Ireland blog What is the best system for Super League? An honest appraisal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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