Marauder Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 6 minutes ago, Impartial Observer said: I wonder why then any community team enter the challenge cup as they have no chance of winning it. Prestige, we managed to be included in the challenge cup on two occasions, lost to Barrow Island then the following year beat Askam & Thatto Heath before getting beat in the third round by Whitehaven Carlsberg don't do Soldiers, but if they did, they would probably be Brits. http://www.pitchero....hornemarauders/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impartial Observer Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 5 minutes ago, Marauder said: Prestige, we managed to be included in the challenge cup on two occasions, lost to Barrow Island then the following year beat Askam & Thatto Heath before getting beat in the third round by Whitehaven So then is it the same reason teams do not enter the barla, the prestige has gone from it, not then the dates the games are played Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 44 minutes ago, Impartial Observer said: So then is it the same reason teams do not enter the barla, the prestige has gone from it, not then the dates the games are played I suppose some go into the BARLA cup to try their hand against higher opposition and why would BARLA need to change the dates of the competition. Carlsberg don't do Soldiers, but if they did, they would probably be Brits. http://www.pitchero....hornemarauders/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo5 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 2 hours ago, Marauder said: I suppose some go into the BARLA cup to try their hand against higher opposition and why would BARLA need to change the dates of the competition. So it can attract some decent teams and make it worth competing for,but that would mean the BARLA hierarchy emerging from Die Bunker in deepest darkest Yorkshire and actually doing something proactive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celtic Rooster Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 4 hours ago, Impartial Observer said: I wonder why then any community team enter the challenge cup as they have no chance of winning it. Attitudes have changed. The National cup used to be looked at as a bit of an adventure, a chance to play against teams that you may never play against again. At least 75% of the teams that used to enter knew they had no chance of winning but back then I played for a pub team called Staff of Life and we wanted to get drawn away in London or South Wales, etc. We would expect to lose but we would have a great day out. Costs are higher now as well. My own club don't enter because an away tie at Eastern Rhinos would cripple us financially. Marauder is right again on the NCL stance regarding the National cup too. When the NCL work out the fixtures they don't factor in the National cup and clubs are not allowed to postpone league games to play National cup ties. I'm not having a go at the NCL - it's a great league but I don't blame BARLA for sticking by their rules either. I would love nothing more than to see the National cup returned to its former glory. I have posted a list of previous finals elsewhere and I attended 34 of those finals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impartial Observer Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 13 hours ago, Celtic Rooster said: Attitudes have changed. The National cup used to be looked at as a bit of an adventure, a chance to play against teams that you may never play against again. At least 75% of the teams that used to enter knew they had no chance of winning but back then I played for a pub team called Staff of Life and we wanted to get drawn away in London or South Wales, etc. We would expect to lose but we would have a great day out. Costs are higher now as well. My own club don't enter because an away tie at Eastern Rhinos would cripple us financially. Marauder is right again on the NCL stance regarding the National cup too. When the NCL work out the fixtures they don't factor in the National cup and clubs are not allowed to postpone league games to play National cup ties. I'm not having a go at the NCL - it's a great league but I don't blame BARLA for sticking by their rules either. I would love nothing more than to see the National cup returned to its former glory. I have posted a list of previous finals elsewhere and I attended 34 of those finals. So now we have another reason for not entering, the cost, you could do what other clubs do if they do not fancy a long trip to the opposition, just give them the game. Do barla consult the ncl about their dates for the rounds or even publish them anywhere so they could be looked at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Impartial Observer said: So now we have another reason for not entering, the cost, you could do what other clubs do if they do not fancy a long trip to the opposition, just give them the game. Do barla consult the ncl about their dates for the rounds or even publish them anywhere so they could be looked at? With your knowledge surely you know it's all sorted before the season starts at the community board level and yes check the BARLA website for dates which are more or less around the same time every year, these dates don't seem to be to big a problem for NCL clubs, they've won it for the last few years. Carlsberg don't do Soldiers, but if they did, they would probably be Brits. http://www.pitchero....hornemarauders/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impartial Observer Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Marauder said: With your knowledge surely you know it's all sorted before the season starts at the community board level and yes check the BARLA website for dates which are more or less around the same time every year, these dates don't seem to be to big a problem for NCL clubs, they've won it for the last few years. I have looked on the website and cannot see the dates, can you help with the dates for the semis and the final? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 I'll see if I can find out when I get chance. Carlsberg don't do Soldiers, but if they did, they would probably be Brits. http://www.pitchero....hornemarauders/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 Competition schedule: Prelim Round Saturday 12th January Round one Saturday 2nd February Round two Saturday 23rd February Quarter Finals Saturday 9th March Semi finals Saturday 30th March Final: Sunday 14th April Carlsberg don't do Soldiers, but if they did, they would probably be Brits. http://www.pitchero....hornemarauders/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impartial Observer Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 Thanks, I looked on the website but obviously in the wrong place I thought the final was always at Easter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 14 minutes ago, Impartial Observer said: Thanks, I looked on the website but obviously in the wrong place I thought the final was always at Easter Your club secretary would have got the dates when he got an application form. Carlsberg don't do Soldiers, but if they did, they would probably be Brits. http://www.pitchero....hornemarauders/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impartial Observer Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 21 minutes ago, Marauder said: Your club secretary would have got the dates when he got an application form. You said they were on the barla website hence i was looking on there. I do remember seeing the application now you mention it, it had something about dual registration players not being allowed but spelt it duel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Impartial Observer said: You said they were on the barla website hence i was looking on there. Got the next round of fixtures on the BARLA site. Carlsberg don't do Soldiers, but if they did, they would probably be Brits. http://www.pitchero....hornemarauders/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impartial Observer Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 Yes I have seen that though 3 of the clubs involved are in the challenge cup also that weekend so what will happen to those games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celtic Rooster Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 They will be played on the same date and the clubs involved will have to decide where to send their first and second teams. Some might see the Challenge cup as more important or, they might think it would be more prestigious to win the National cup. It has happened in the past that if two clubs can agree a mutually acceptable alternative date to play a National cup tie - BARLA would have no objections. The problem with doing that though is that the NCL will not allow league games to be postponed to accommodate National cup ties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little no it all Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 Celtic Rooster & Marauder i agree with you both BARLA never release game dates NCL just add games to league fixtures hence why teams cant fullfil fixtures they commited to How hard would it be for them to talk to each other and support teams trying to play rugby league and stop bitching and trying to get one over the over each other at the expense of lads playing rugby get a grip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev p Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 Surely Barca & ncl should sit down together at the end of the season & agree dates for the following seasons Barca cup. Not rocket science, they should be working together. Preliminary & 1st round could be played just before ncl starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 4 hours ago, kev p said: Surely Barca & ncl should sit down together at the end of the season & agree dates for the following seasons Barca cup. Not rocket science, they should be working together. Preliminary & 1st round could be played just before ncl starts. They do sit down and work out dates for major events and the county cups are played just before Christmas and to have two major trophies running at the same time would be to much disruption to the BARLA fixtures. Carlsberg don't do Soldiers, but if they did, they would probably be Brits. http://www.pitchero....hornemarauders/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 10 hours ago, Little no it all said: Celtic Rooster & Marauder i agree with you both BARLA never release game dates NCL just add games to league fixtures hence why teams cant fullfil fixtures they commited to How hard would it be for them to talk to each other and support teams trying to play rugby league and stop bitching and trying to get one over the over each other at the expense of lads playing rugby get a grip BARLA did release all dates before the competition started, it was sent to the club secretaries on the application form. Carlsberg don't do Soldiers, but if they did, they would probably be Brits. http://www.pitchero....hornemarauders/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo5 Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 5 hours ago, kev p said: Surely Barca & ncl should sit down together at the end of the season & agree dates for the following seasons Barca cup. Not rocket science, they should be working together. Preliminary & 1st round could be played just before ncl starts. BARLA had the chance to bring in fresh blood/ideas a few years ago,instead they made sure new appointments stayed "in house" and so we are left with the mess we have now,BARLA a Yorkshire bias nonentity stuck in their ways who the NCL don't seem to want to work with for the good of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 18 minutes ago, Davo5 said: BARLA had the chance to bring in fresh blood/ideas a few years ago,instead they made sure new appointments stayed "in house" and so we are left with the mess we have now,BARLA a Yorkshire bias nonentity stuck in their ways who the NCL don't seem to want to work with for the good of the game. Didn't the NWC & Cumbrians take the RFL shilling along with the NCL I'll agree with you on appointments which IMO has proved that jobs for the boys doesn't work, Time for those in charge to sit down with the forward thinking and thrashing out a system that will give everyone the chance to play during the tradition season. Carlsberg don't do Soldiers, but if they did, they would probably be Brits. http://www.pitchero....hornemarauders/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo5 Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 2 hours ago, Marauder said: Didn't the NWC & Cumbrians take the RFL shilling along with the NCL I'll agree with you on appointments which IMO has proved that jobs for the boys doesn't work, Time for those in charge to sit down with the forward thinking and thrashing out a system that will give everyone the chance to play during the tradition season. Sorry but the playing season shouldn't come into it when looking to revive the National Cup,it can span both,it only needs a few forward thinking people with the best interests of the amateur game and a little bit of planning to make it work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 2 hours ago, Davo5 said: Sorry but the playing season shouldn't come into it when looking to revive the National Cup,it can span both,it only needs a few forward thinking people with the best interests of the amateur game and a little bit of planning to make it work. How would you work it in bearing in mind that a lot of players are playing in both season and BARLA have far to many local cups as well as the county cups. Carlsberg don't do Soldiers, but if they did, they would probably be Brits. http://www.pitchero....hornemarauders/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo5 Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 57 minutes ago, Marauder said: How would you work it in bearing in mind that a lot of players are playing in both season and BARLA have far to many local cups as well as the county cups. Never said it would be easy,you seem very good at putting over excuses,are you on the BARLA board ? On second thoughts don't do anything,let this sorry excuse for a once great comp continue to wither away into obscurity,I'm sure BARLA will be happy when the dog & duck beat the plough mans arms in the final in a few years time,as long as they are Yorkshire pubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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