rlno1 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Played at Stade Ernest Wallon,. Toulouse behind at half time 16-6 before scoring 40 unanswered points in second half. Great result allround for the French club. Whets the appetite for how a competitive Toulouse club playing at the same venue would go in Super League. Close Previous Next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copa Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 The English clubs are dragging them down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports Prophet Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Big result in front of a big crowd. Very impressive. I am still aniticpating a 14 team SL in 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cdd Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 With that kind of support in the championship you’d have to think that with the away support brought by some of the bigger clubs they could be achieving some 10k+ crowds if they were in super league. Imagine that ground packed out with 19k for the first Super League french derby, makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17 stone giant Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Great to see another French club doing well. Would love to see them eventually make it into Super League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Picture Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Cdd said: With that kind of support in the championship you’d have to think that with the away support brought by some of the bigger clubs they could be achieving some 10k+ crowds if they were in super league. Imagine that ground packed out with 19k for the first Super League french derby, makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck. Imagine it packed for the opening round match of a Toulouse franchise in a transatlantic RL equivalent of Super Rugby and Pro14 against Montréal kicking off a whole round of such transatlantic blockbuster matches, with a major French recording artist booked to sing the national anthems before kickoff and TV audiences in all the countries where franchises would be located tuning in. How's that for a vision of what the game could be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oiseau Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Ouch, I hear the M62 mob cringing at the very thought of it ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayCee Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 1 hour ago, oiseau said: Ouch, I hear the M62 mob cringing at the very thought of it ! I'm sure your comment is tongue in cheek as most RL fans along the M62 express positive opinions about the game expanding. If 14 teams are adopted as mentioned above, then it doesn’t mean current SL teams need to be dropped to accommodate new sides like Toronto and Toulouse entering SL. The only issue I see is generating enough revenue to do it. RL isn’t very good at selling itself, only at selling itself short. My blog: https://rugbyl.blogspot.co.nz/ It takes wisdom to know when a discussion has run its course. It takes reasonableness to end that discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yakstorm Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Do we need to generate more revenue to do that expansion though? Toronto has been operating with zero central funding since day dot and alot of their comments imply that they aren't expecting any handouts in the short-medium term; whilst Toulouse seem to have a strong squad on Championship funds. The reality is for both clubs their ability to earn more in sponsorship, crowds, etc grows if they are in SL, whilst it's questionable whether their costs really change. As such, why not offer them the opportunity to progress without any additional funding for the first X years but with the caveats of: - Any increase in Sky funding overall will see them get a pro-rated portion. - Any broadcast revenues brought in from Canada or France will go to them first. - Any competition sponsorship from those markets will also be given more favourably to them. If those three don't eventuate then the other clubs are no worse off, but if they do, then their value will be able to be quantified and we all get a more internationally appealing Super League. PACIFIQUE TREIZE: Join the team by registering as a fan today at pacifique13.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Browny Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 51 minutes ago, RayCee said: most RL fans along the M62 express positive opinions about the game expanding. I can confirm 30+ less sales for Scotland vs Italy at Workington, after this afternoons test purchase for the Tonga match, £7.50 is extremely reasonable, however a £2.50 'delivery' fee for a walk in purchase is beyond taking the mickey, good luck with that, it's cheaper on the telly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Kevin Sinfield Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Expansion will never work, all these clubs are doing is holding back traditional clubs like Oldham and Hunslet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Parksider Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 4 hours ago, Cdd said: Imagine that ground packed out with 19k for the first Super League french derby, makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck. It is of course a fantastic thought indeed the only problem being given Les Catalans have 12 English & antipodean players in their team, for TO to compete it appears they may need as many quality imports or even a couple more for the clubs to play out such a game at Superleague level. It would look wonderful with either clubs venue packed out for the game, the only problem comes when someone in the real world points out the two teams aren't really French. Oiseau may need to ignore this fact otherwise things may be a bit "cringeworthy".... 2 hours ago, RayCee said: I'm sure your comment is tongue in cheek as most RL fans along the M62 express positive opinions about the game expanding. If 14 teams are adopted as mentioned above, then it doesn’t mean current SL teams need to be dropped to accommodate new sides like Toulouse entering SL. The only issue I see is is generating enough revenue to do it. RL isn’t very good at selling itself, only at selling itself short........... You can't stop having a go at the game.You talk about "positive opinions" then you trash us even though the English game actually pulled off a £200M TV deal and exports great players to the NRL. If your such a genius financial analyst tell me how two largely non-french teams playing two derby's in France is going to pull a big French TV deal. "Expansion" was defined by the English SL clubs as increasing the French player pool and capturing a French TV deal. This was readily accepted by the chairman and the board of Toulouse. TO's promotion to SL will provide no financial or quality player "expansion" as it stands. It really is time you made some sensible posts based on the financial and staffing realities...... 1 hour ago, Yakstorm said: Do we need to generate more revenue to do that expansion though? Toronto has been operating with zero central funding since day dot and a lot of their comments imply that they aren't expecting any handouts in the short-medium term; whilst Toulouse seem to have a strong squad on Championship funds. The reality is for both clubs their ability to earn more in sponsorship, crowds, etc grows if they are in SL, whilst it's questionable whether their costs really change. If those three don't eventuate then the other clubs are no worse off, but if they do, then their value will be able to be quantified and we all get "a more internationally appealing Super League". Your very confused here, crowds can grow and grow at these clubs but we want them to grow Quality professional players and grow the TV revenue to share. If France can develop say 30 SL quality players then we may get to the REAL prize of Great Britain and France test matches and not two largely non-French teams having to be exported there to put on pro club games like this. Everyone sane on here understands the importance of International Rugby League as vehicle for assisting the real expansion of players and revenue. Pick me a competitive International French team from the Catalans and TO squads? That's a challenge for everyone..... "Sponsorship" and "crowds" are OK to help provide the £5M a proper professional RL club needs to break even but the game itself can only be professional with a TV deal and with systems for producing professional players. France have no TV deal and have struggled since 2006 to produce SL quality French players in any number at all. In North America there are no players at all and no TV money at all either, but hey they have "crowds" and they have "sponsors" (not that we are ever told how much the sponsors actually pay). The also have a TV deal that pays nothing. We need quality players and TV deals There's no doubt TO can pull a big crowd, they have done it for GB.v.France games in which the French team WAS French. That was also great to see, but not great enough to pull in more quality French players or pull in French TV. The Bottom line is the game is about TV revenue and quality players - the real question is how much French or American TV money did this game generate and how many top quality French/American players were on show?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man of Kent Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Toulouse are mainly French with a sprinkling of Antipodeans (and English). If that is deemed unacceptable for Super League in some quarters then the same should apply to St Helens, Leeds, Warrington and so on and so forth. Should they be barred entry?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scubby Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 29 minutes ago, Man of Kent said: Toulouse are mainly French with a sprinkling of Antipodeans (and English). If that is deemed unacceptable for Super League in some quarters then the same should apply to St Helens, Leeds, Warrington and so on and so forth. Should they be barred entry?! You can stop them from entering by taking away the Middle 8s concept and introducing one up and one down I suppose. How many SL clubs would be vulnerable had the system stayed. I hated it and am not advocating a return to that sham but Toulouse and Toronto make a really solid case for expanding to 14 clubs. Two french derbies a year is a no brainer and fixtures could even be styled to make a 7-10 day trip for UK fans going to Perpignan and Toulouse on consecutive weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man of Kent Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, Scubby said: Toulouse and Toronto make a really solid case for expanding to 14 clubs. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winnyason Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 1 hour ago, The Parksider said: It is of course a fantastic thought indeed the only problem being given Les Catalans have 12 English & antipodean players in their team, for TO to compete it appears they may need as many quality imports or even a couple more for the clubs to play out such a game at Superleague level. It would look wonderful with either clubs venue packed out for the game, the only problem comes when someone in the real world points out the two teams aren't really French. Oiseau may need to ignore this fact otherwise things may be a bit "cringeworthy".... You can't stop having a go at the game.You talk about "positive opinions" then you trash us even though the English game actually pulled off a £200M TV deal and exports great players to the NRL. If your such a genius financial analyst tell me how two largely non-french teams playing two derby's in France is going to pull a big French TV deal. "Expansion" was defined by the English SL clubs as increasing the French player pool and capturing a French TV deal. This was readily accepted by the chairman and the board of Toulouse. TO's promotion to SL will provide no financial or quality player "expansion" as it stands. It really is time you made some sensible posts based on the financial and staffing realities...... Your very confused here, crowds can grow and grow at these clubs but we want them to grow Quality professional players and grow the TV revenue to share. If France can develop say 30 SL quality players then we may get to the REAL prize of Great Britain and France test matches and not two largely non-French teams having to be exported there to put on pro club games like this. Everyone sane on here understands the importance of International Rugby League as vehicle for assisting the real expansion of players and revenue. Pick me a competitive International French team from the Catalans and TO squads? That's a challenge for everyone..... "Sponsorship" and "crowds" are OK to help provide the £5M a proper professional RL club needs to break even but the game itself can only be professional with a TV deal and with systems for producing professional players. France have no TV deal and have struggled since 2006 to produce SL quality French players in any number at all. In North America there are no players at all and no TV money at all either, but hey they have "crowds" and they have "sponsors" (not that we are ever told how much the sponsors actually pay). The also have a TV deal that pays nothing. We need quality players and TV deals There's no doubt TO can pull a big crowd, they have done it for GB.v.France games in which the French team WAS French. That was also great to see, but not great enough to pull in more quality French players or pull in French TV. The Bottom line is the game is about TV revenue and quality players - the real question is how much French or American TV money did this game generate and how many top quality French/American players were on show?? What a load of ######. You are a tosser, parents must be proud of producing such a numbskull. Gigot, yaha, albert, baiteri, goudmand, julian, garcia, simon, da costa, casty, bouquest, belmas, maria all will play more than there share of superleague. While at other clubs miloudi, springer, pelissier, fages, nzoungou all are at other clubs. Kevin larroyer is at fax. Toulouse have a mulitude of superleague level players. You just keep dribbling wipe your chin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieSaint Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 6 hours ago, Sports Prophet said: Big result in front of a big crowd. Very impressive. I am still aniticpating a 14 team SL in 2020. Do you think it’s on the cards? Yakstorm’s post insightful as ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PECETTO Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 50 minutes ago, The Parksider said: It is of course a fantastic thought indeed the only problem being given Les Catalans have 12 English & antipodean players in their team, for TO to compete it appears they may need as many quality imports or even a couple more for the clubs to play out such a game at Superleague level. It would look wonderful with either clubs venue packed out for the game, the only problem comes when someone in the real world points out the two teams aren't really French. Oiseau may need to ignore this fact otherwise things may be a bit "cringeworthy".... You can't stop having a go at the game.You talk about "positive opinions" then you trash us even though the English game actually pulled off a £200M TV deal and exports great players to the NRL. If your such a genius financial analyst tell me how two largely non-french teams playing two derby's in France is going to pull a big French TV deal. "Expansion" was defined by the English SL clubs as increasing the French player pool and capturing a French TV deal. This was readily accepted by the chairman and the board of Toulouse. TO's promotion to SL will provide no financial or quality player "expansion" as it stands. It really is time you made some sensible posts based on the financial and staffing realities...... Your very confused here, crowds can grow and grow at these clubs but we want them to grow Quality professional players and grow the TV revenue to share. If France can develop say 30 SL quality players then we may get to the REAL prize of Great Britain and France test matches and not two largely non-French teams having to be exported there to put on pro club games like this. Everyone sane on here understands the importance of International Rugby League as vehicle for assisting the real expansion of players and revenue. Pick me a competitive International French team from the Catalans and TO squads? That's a challenge for everyone..... "Sponsorship" and "crowds" are OK to help provide the £5M a proper professional RL club needs to break even but the game itself can only be professional with a TV deal and with systems for producing professional players. France have no TV deal and have struggled since 2006 to produce SL quality French players in any number at all. In North America there are no players at all and no TV money at all either, but hey they have "crowds" and they have "sponsors" (not that we are ever told how much the sponsors actually pay). The also have a TV deal that pays nothing. We need quality players and TV deals There's no doubt TO can pull a big crowd, they have done it for GB.v.France games in which the French team WAS French. That was also great to see, but not great enough to pull in more quality French players or pull in French TV. The Bottom line is the game is about TV revenue and quality players - the real question is how much French or American TV money did this game generate and how many top quality French/American players were on show?? Toulouse squad is 28 players. 20 are french and most of them come from the Academy. The reserve Team playing french elite compétition is a squad of 38 players including 14 academy players aged 17 TO 20 years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dealwithit Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Catalans had a better team with more french players to be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 1 hour ago, The Parksider said: It is of course a fantastic thought indeed the only problem being given Les Catalans have 12 English & antipodean players in their team, for TO to compete it appears they may need as many quality imports or even a couple more for the clubs to play out such a game at Superleague level. It would look wonderful with either clubs venue packed out for the game, the only problem comes when someone in the real world points out the two teams aren't really French. Oiseau may need to ignore this fact otherwise things may be a bit "cringeworthy".... You can't stop having a go at the game.You talk about "positive opinions" then you trash us even though the English game actually pulled off a £200M TV deal and exports great players to the NRL. If your such a genius financial analyst tell me how two largely non-french teams playing two derby's in France is going to pull a big French TV deal. "Expansion" was defined by the English SL clubs as increasing the French player pool and capturing a French TV deal. This was readily accepted by the chairman and the board of Toulouse. TO's promotion to SL will provide no financial or quality player "expansion" as it stands. It really is time you made some sensible posts based on the financial and staffing realities...... Your very confused here, crowds can grow and grow at these clubs but we want them to grow Quality professional players and grow the TV revenue to share. If France can develop say 30 SL quality players then we may get to the REAL prize of Great Britain and France test matches and not two largely non-French teams having to be exported there to put on pro club games like this. Everyone sane on here understands the importance of International Rugby League as vehicle for assisting the real expansion of players and revenue. Pick me a competitive International French team from the Catalans and TO squads? That's a challenge for everyone..... "Sponsorship" and "crowds" are OK to help provide the £5M a proper professional RL club needs to break even but the game itself can only be professional with a TV deal and with systems for producing professional players. France have no TV deal and have struggled since 2006 to produce SL quality French players in any number at all. In North America there are no players at all and no TV money at all either, but hey they have "crowds" and they have "sponsors" (not that we are ever told how much the sponsors actually pay). The also have a TV deal that pays nothing. We need quality players and TV deals There's no doubt TO can pull a big crowd, they have done it for GB.v.France games in which the French team WAS French. That was also great to see, but not great enough to pull in more quality French players or pull in French TV. The Bottom line is the game is about TV revenue and quality players - the real question is how much French or American TV money did this game generate and how many top quality French/American players were on show?? While I agree about Toronto , I disagree about Toulouse their team is primarily French , realistically if we ended up with a licenced system in place ( which is the most likely ) their is nothing to stop SL putting a quota on non French players that French teams have in their squad , and.a French derby would raise the profile of RL in France , that is without doubt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Great result for Toulouse and a great occasion for Rugby League. London have shown this year that a team from the Championship can compete at Super League level. I know it get together for them as the season progresses and any injuries kick in but no doubt thry have the talent to compete and these two teams will as well. I would be delighted if a 14 team Super League included Toronto and Toulouse. Would the overall playing standard come down a little... maybe yes. Would the competition be more interesting to follow... undoubtedly yes. "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scubby Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, GUBRATS said: While I agree about Toronto , I disagree about Toulouse their team is primarily French , realistically if we ended up with a licenced system in place ( which is the most likely ) their is nothing to stop SL putting a quota on non French players that French teams have in their squad , and.a French derby would raise the profile of RL in France , that is without doubt Exactly, many people on here are talking about France like it was Carlisle or Kent Invicta. Young French men and women are naturally suited to the game and many achieve an excellent standard considering the player pool. Going to watch an International game in France as a kid absolutely blew my mind. We need to help to build the strength of a genuine RL heartland not judge and undermine it. It will produce fruit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southerner80 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 With TO and Les Dracs I feel as long as there is at least 7 French regularly in the 17 that's progress. Look at French Union its full of Foreign talent too. To get the teams to be competitive you will need 8-10 anglo or anzacs in the 17. The above would still mean 14 French qualifying SL players a week plus those who play in England. As for TWP. They won't produce players as Kayakman has explained very well the North American sports model is totally different. I have learnt to accept This and see it as it is worth giving them a SL place. I would hold fire on further North American teams until we get a idea of how they will do in SL and what they bring to the table. We won't know how it will work until its tried, and frankly a club folding won't hurt the sport much. If it succeeds long term it could help the sport alot. Worth the risk. In terms of TV money to make it work. You would have to give TO some more cash for their squad to be stronger and maybe TWP too. How that adds up I don't know! A 14 team SL of 26 rounds with a top 6 play off and the lowest placed English side or side overall going into a play off v the championship winners has a alot of appeal. Ideal is 16 teams however we would need more TV cash for that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxford Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 To save time Let's face this result is irrelevant as they both bring nothing to SL or RL or sport in general or life in particular! 2 warning points Non-Political Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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