Lowdesert Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 13 minutes ago, deluded pom? said: Avignon usually attracts the better attendances in France. There is more to French RL than Perpignan. It did last time and a lot of non RL species too. 15k ish iirc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobbygobbler Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Take a test to Marseille, Bordeaux or Nice on a Saturday afternoon in June. pretty sure you’d get a few thousand fans going over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxford Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 There are more answers than posters to all this. The same lines as with expansion seem to be drawn. Catalan need space in the calendar for France to play England. "I wouldn't watch it if it was in my backyard!" Now there's a statement for an RL fan to make. The Dragons do need to be made to provide their players but when you're only here by invitation and under sufferance would you? Attitudes are everything and it shows. The idea that you can beat the Aussies by never playing them has a real foothold in this sport. 2 warning points Non-Political Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IM2 Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 I agree on this lunacy from RFL. The game is always organised at short notice and usually draws a decent crowd especially in France. We always bemoan the lack of international RL and a home and away against France is a must in a regular time slot in the season. Just use UK based players that will even it up a bit. Union never cares about scores and why should we. RFL & Rimmer invest in this long term and you will see dividends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Clothesoff Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 I don’t really want the season to go on a week longer than it already is. This season is already a season spanning 254 days (a shade under 70% of a calendar year) or 36 weeks, and it’s too long and adding in a walkover of an International friendly (because that’s what it is, let’s not kid ourselves otherwise) just isn’t a good idea. The whole International calendar goes back, somewhat, to a structure discussion due to the number of games Super League sides play and the number of games they say they need to be deemed profitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowdesert Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Lobbygobbler said: Take a test to Marseille, Bordeaux or Nice on a Saturday afternoon in June. pretty sure you’d get a few thousand fans going over Better people on here to comment regarding RL history in these places, but as far as I know, only Bordeaux. Marseille used to be 3hr 20mins from just near Perpignan and Nice even longer. Bordeaux was around 4 hours. Seems a bit daft to go too far away from, what is now, the heartlands triangle of the south. But, the thread is all about the RFLs shortfalls!! I just can understand how there solely responsible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluded pom? Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Oliver Clothesoff said: The whole International calendar goes back, somewhat, to a structure discussion due to the number of games Super League sides play and the number of games they say they need to be deemed profitable. In 2013 we played a 27 game regular season. The Super 8s made it a 30 game regular season. This year we’re looking at a 29 game regular season. There is scope and precedent for a slightly shorter season. It’s laziness and greed that stops it happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headtackle Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 2 French SL teams would be great and after the cup win last year surely now is the time to support the French At the moment a Test against them has limited appeal but they need some international exposure. If we won't/don't play them maybe they are better off looking West and playing fixtures in French speaking Canada ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number 16 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 For me, the issue with taking the game to Perpignan is that for many potential England fans it could be deja vu as they follow their SL club there too. So somewhere different, at least in the early years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluded pom? Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 45 minutes ago, Number 16 said: For me, the issue with taking the game to Perpignan is that for many potential England fans it could be deja vu as they follow their SL club there too. So somewhere different, at least in the early years. I went to Perpignan for the first time last week. An OK place for a quick trip IMO but not a great deal to see and do. I now understand why some supporters base themselves in Spain and bus up. A bit of variety in the choice of venue would attract more people from England than yet another game in Perpignan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUBRATS Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 We should play France in France at a different venue every year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Clothesoff Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 3 hours ago, Number 16 said: For me, the issue with taking the game to Perpignan is that for many potential England fans it could be deja vu as they follow their SL club there too. So somewhere different, at least in the early years. Perpignan is awful. There’s absolutely nothing there. There’s nicer places in France and Spain to stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobbygobbler Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 22 hours ago, Lowdesert said: Better people on here to comment regarding RL history in these places, but as far as I know, only Bordeaux. Marseille used to be 3hr 20mins from just near Perpignan and Nice even longer. Bordeaux was around 4 hours. Seems a bit daft to go too far away from, what is now, the heartlands triangle of the south. But, the thread is all about the RFLs shortfalls!! I just can understand how there solely responsible. Marseille were once one of the great RL teams, and the photo of the 1951 team returning to France with over 100,000 lining the streets was taken there. Not far from Avignon and Carpentras Jean Dop was one of their greats https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Dop no RL history in Nice but its in Provence all the same - and a great place for a break! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowdesert Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 19 hours ago, Lobbygobbler said: Marseille were once one of the great RL teams, and the photo of the 1951 team returning to France with over 100,000 lining the streets was taken there. Not far from Avignon and Carpentras Jean Dop was one of their greats https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Dop no RL history in Nice but its in Provence all the same - and a great place for a break! Thanks mate. I couldn’t be arrissed to look it up, just know the distance from taking a friend backwards and forwards to the Swiss embassy. Nice would be extremely expensive. I know there’s RL in the VSL area but know nothing of the current amateur game in Bordeaux. Out of the 3, Bordeaux is the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winnyason Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 Look not sure. There not won v gb/eng since 1994. We flogging a dead horse. It confirmed png will play france 2 game series - here i go toulon and montpellier to do something different. Plus they take there best to 9s in sydney. England are nearly the best these days. France still have no depth. Thats tje issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbruce Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 On 18/04/2019 at 07:19, Kirmonds pouch said: Why is it the fault of the RFL - isn't it the job of the French to sort themselves out! Why should we be expected to carry a game is a first world nation. Everything needed to make the French game competitive is already there, its not our fault that the French administrations through the years have been corrupt or incompetent or both - they make the RL look super slick by comparison. This support the French thing is getting boring, they need to shape up or ship out at International level. So if at anytime over the last 50 years the Aussies had said the same to us you would’ve been fine with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayCee Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 If RL has to choose between an extra week of SL matches or a one less to accommodate a test match, and it's pretty obvious what the administrators will go with. RL is always wanting more cash (unless it's a millionaire wishing to support a non heartland club), so test matches have to be over and above a long club season. Then it gets shelved as players need a break. I hope that doesn't sound defeatist, but I've been following the game all my life and it's RL reality. My blog: https://rugbyl.blogspot.co.nz/ It takes wisdom to know when a discussion has run its course. It takes reasonableness to end that discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winnyason Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 1 hour ago, SL17 said: You are asking the question to people who said playing France at Leigh was undermining the game attendance wise. Also many believe France can beat England.. Thankfully I dont share their inert wisdom and neither should you. The issue is france is a tier 2 nation. Everyone still thinks its the 1950s they havr 150 clubs packed city stadiums. Not modern day in only select regional cities and towns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluded pom? Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 3 hours ago, winnyason said: The issue is france is a tier 2 nation. Everyone still thinks its the 1950s they havr 150 clubs packed city stadiums. Not modern day in only select regional cities and towns. Barring the fact the NRL take some of our players and take them, mostly, to the next level and make England competitive you could say the same about us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommygilf Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 10 minutes ago, deluded pom? said: Barring the fact the NRL take some of our players and take them, mostly, to the next level and make England competitive you could say the same about us. Sadly I think that has a lot of truth to it. Playing in the NRL almost guarantees you a spot in the England team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audois Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 In todays 'L'Independant' newspaper Tricolores coach Aurélien Cologni mentions possible games this autumn against Wales and maybe Scotland. He's excited by the World '9's'in Sydney. He also is looking at taking a bigger squad Downunder in October and playing full-sided matches against several selections in New Zealand and Australia. "It involves matters much greater than drafting the new rules...the original and existing games have their own powerful appeal to their players and public and have the sentiments which history inspires" - Harold 'Jersey' Flegg 1933 "Just as we had been Cathars, we were treizistes, men apart." - Jean Roque, Calendrier-revue du Racing-Club Albigeois, 1958-1959 Si tu( Remi Casty) devais envoyer un fax au Président Guasch? " Un grand bravo pour ce que vous avez fait,et merci de m 'avoir embarqué dans cette aventure" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superten Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 why not have Catalan v England in Barcelona Chief Crazy Eagle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Clothesoff Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 1 minute ago, superten said: why not have Catalan v England in Barcelona Because that’s essentially the Exiles, which was a concept no one seemed bothered about and nobody gave a chance to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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